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I want my Dido, and I want it now!

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We have had Atlantas now for some time. Not to mention Minotaurs. And now the US equivalent.

Sooo.... 

Where's my Dido?

Ok, so she wasn't a dedicated AA ship. But she was a multi-role cruiser with AA as one of its primary abilities. And yes the 5.25s didn't perform entirely up to expectations.

But they were very useful ships that were in the thick of the action for the entire 1939-1945 war.

 

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Seems like it'd be an excellent candidate for a premium ship, since the RN CL line literally is a CL line, so there should be no more room for another CL.  So, sure, why not have a Dido as a premium RN CL?

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the memes at her name alone make her worth putting in as a premium lol.

Give her standard RNCL consumables and HE.... perfect tier VI or VII cancer

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4 minutes ago, 212thAttackBattalion said:

the memes at her name alone make her worth putting in as a premium lol.

Give her standard RNCL consumables and HE.... perfect tier VI or VII cancer

This...:Smile_great:

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I like the idea, though either a premium or a little sub-branch would work for me -

Unfortunately WG give practically zero ducks about including RN ships in the game, and even when it does (Cossack) you have to wait over 6 months.

 

For Dido herself I'd say T5 'naked' or maybe T6 with a big bag 'o' gimmicks. The 5.25in was flawed and translates terribly in-game. The DPS and range of the mounts on the KGV/Lion/Conqueror are pathetic. Only getting 1,900 HE for throwing a shell 45% heavier than the 1,800 HE 5in/38 is silly. 8 RPM would be pretty fatal.

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One neat thing about her 134mm guns is that they just  fit under the 139mm threshold for certain skills. So Dido would get the full benefit of AFT, BFT, and EM.

The reload can go down to 6 seconds, for 10 rounds per minute per gun with BFT. potentially that's 190k potential HE damage per minute. For comparison Budyonny at tier 6 has a potential HE output of 148,500 per minute.

 

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White Flag

I know you think that I shouldn't still love you
I'll tell you that
But if I didn't say it
Well, I'd still have felt it
Where's the sense in that?

I promise I'm not trying to make your life harder
Or return to where we were

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

I know I left too much mess
And destruction to come back again
And I caused but nothing but trouble
I understand if you can't talk to me again
And if you live by the rules of "It's over"
Then I'm sure that that makes sense

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

And when we meet
As I'm sure we will
All that was then
Will be there still
I'll let it pass
And hold my tongue
And you will think
That I've moved on

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

 

Here is your Dido.....somewhat WOW related...

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11 hours ago, Panzer1113 said:

White Flag

I know you think that I shouldn't still love you
I'll tell you that
But if I didn't say it
Well, I'd still have felt it
Where's the sense in that?

I promise I'm not trying to make your life harder
Or return to where we were

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

I know I left too much mess
And destruction to come back again
And I caused but nothing but trouble
I understand if you can't talk to me again
And if you live by the rules of "It's over"
Then I'm sure that that makes sense

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

And when we meet
As I'm sure we will
All that was then
Will be there still
I'll let it pass
And hold my tongue
And you will think
That I've moved on

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

 

Here is your Dido.....somewhat WOW related...

Funny, this came into my head too! :Smile_teethhappy:

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I'm not sure the performance of the 5.25s on the RN battleships should be used as baseline for the Dido class ... secondaries seem to have little resemblance to the same gun on other ships as primary armament in WoWs.

Also, the Dido's were not originally envisaged as dedicated AA cruisers. They were always described as multi-purpose cruisers doing everything from scouting to escort to fleet work. And, as such, AA was an important new role. Their job was what they were used for - escorting formations through areas with a high threat of aircraft, torpedo boats, destroyers and cruiser forays. 

The Bellona sub-group was more anti-aircraft weighted (redesigned to include more extensive radar suites and fighter control rooms). And the two Dido's given 4in mounts due to delays in completing the 5.25s were made dedicated AA as that is what they could do...

But, hey: I think they look cool.

 

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Excluding Dido herself, as I hope to see her as a regular ship at T6 in a CL-AA line as per mofton's suggestion; which Dido sister ship would take a premium place?

My personal favourite is Euryalus, but there are options for a T5 Bellona premium too.

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Charybdis: poor 4in armament but well rigged with AA directors, radars, control facilities... (read potential for gimmicks) = T5 IMHO

Dido: With the 10x5.25 configuration / two x triple torpedo tubes (one each side), she could probably hold her own with similar  gimmicks to Leander and Perth = T6

Black Prince (Belonna later production group): while only 8x 5.25, she did get a lot more 40mm mounts ... as well as radar and control rooms like the earlier Charbydis (so potential for gimmicks) = T7?

All would need HE/AP options, not just the SAP gimmick of the RN cruiser line atm.

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On 6/17/2018 at 12:04 AM, HMS_Formidable said:

Charybdis: poor 4in armament but well rigged with AA directors, radars, control facilities... (read potential for gimmicks) = T5 IMHO

Dido: With the 10x5.25 configuration / two x triple torpedo tubes (one each side), she could probably hold her own with similar  gimmicks to Leander and Perth = T6

Black Prince (Belonna later production group): while only 8x 5.25, she did get a lot more 40mm mounts ... as well as radar and control rooms like the earlier Charbydis (so potential for gimmicks) = T7?

All would need HE/AP options, not just the SAP gimmick of the RN cruiser line atm.

Charybdis and Scylla have the 4.5in, rather than the 4in. Certainly a better in-game weapon.

Discussed in my mini-branch thread was a potential for some design study ships, the K-25 designs in particular which I'd not seen any generated images of, since then I have seen a proposal for a T7 K-25F with an image by Tzoli.

The K-25F has some advantages over the Dido but it's somewhat hamstrung by the turret arrangement which gives it only a 12-gun broadside to the 10 of Dido despite having 8 turrets to 5.

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Gimmicks are worth at least a tier, so I don't get too excited about exactly where to put them any more. It'll be as WG pleases whether it needs smoke, mega-super heal, whatever really.

 

The guns as secondaries do generally fall in line with the guns as main batteries - except on ROF. I'd expect the 5.25in to get the same dire AA DPS as it does on the battleships, the same 1,900 HE damage, same 8% fire chance... the thing that's not clear is ROF which is a bit 'soft' but WG can probably tweak it up.

The 4.5in has different stats on the Neptune and Queen Elizabeth (should be the same barrels and shells but different mounts) - it 'should' get 1,600 HE damage, 7% fire chance and more like 12 RPM on the older mount style of QE than the 20 RPM the Neptune gets. Overall at 12+ RPM it will probably compare pretty well to the 5.25.

One issue with putting the 5.25in at higher tiers is that even with IFHE it only gets up to 28mm of HE penetration. That's a huge disadvantage compared to it's contemporary 6in guns which can penetrate the 32mm of T8+ battleship extremities. Without that the gun is pretty sorely lacking. At low-mid tiers with 25mm armored BB it's not such an issue, but higher it is, especially as the ROF may be nothing special.

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On 6/18/2018 at 6:35 PM, mofton said:

The 4.5in has different stats on the Neptune and Queen Elizabeth

I thought the Neptune mounts were those we find on everything from Daring to Leander (Frigate).

You can always tweak the fire chance... :Smile_hiding:

On 6/13/2018 at 8:32 PM, HMS_Formidable said:

And yes the 5.25s didn't perform entirely up to expectations.

Neither did the six-inch twins we see on Minotaur. They were on the Blake-class postwar cruisers IRL and their reliability was supposedly awful (including one fatal accident while trying to troubleshoot).

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34 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

I thought the Neptune mounts were those we find on everything from Daring to Leander (Frigate).

You can always tweak the fire chance... :Smile_hiding:

Neither did the six-inch twins we see on Minotaur. They were on the Blake-class postwar cruisers IRL and their reliability was supposedly awful (including one fatal accident while trying to troubleshoot).

 

On 6/18/2018 at 2:05 PM, mofton said:

The 4.5in has different stats on the Neptune and Queen Elizabeth (should be the same barrels and shells but different mounts)

The Neptune mounts are the modern 114/45 RP41 Mk. VI, that is the same as the Daring to Leander you're quite right.

The same shells should do the same damage and fire chance though.

I was saying 12 RPM specifically for the Scylla/Charybdis mountings.

 

The 5.25in is disadvantaged by already being in game in a fairly lackluster performance. The AA DPS shouldn't really change (though you could add RP and radar for more DPS possibly). It's already in-game with just 9 RPM, which WG could change but which would be a break.

The 6in on the other hand did achieve the high ROF intended, if not being as reliable as it could be. 18.8 on the Minotaur is pretty reasonable.

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