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Is WG giving us our first WW1 Battlecruiser or is it just a tease

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HI

For those of you that have or have not seen the news page today /tonight there is a article on the British battlecruiser  HMS Invincible.

Tomorrow (my time ) is the 31st of May which to most naval minded people would know represents the anniversary of The Battle Of Jutland, WG have put together a very informative piece on the battle but more importantly they have included the operational history of said ship that participated in the battle.

Could this be a sign that this ship is soon to be added in game in the not too distant future as there is a growing number of community members calling for these great ships to be added. 

Is this just coincidence that they picked this ship as the centre piece for there article, the ship certainly has history or are we just being teased, one can only hope this the beginning of the battlecruiser age for WOWS.

Its time for WG to unleash these types of ships from all nations upon the High Seas.

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Probably not, they do historical articles on ships unrelated to the game all the time.

Even if they did include it in the game it would just be a nice port decoration like the Varyag was.

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1 minute ago, Sinboto said:

don't hood and kongou (technically) count?

There are several battlecruisers in the game already.  But we need more of them.  MORE

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Kongo was a battlecruiser at first but it was refitted and designated a battleship and it's battleship configuration if the one it has in game so stop calling Kongo a battlecruiser Hood is but not Kongo.

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On 2018-06-05 at 12:41 AM, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Right.  Because someone decided to rename a Battlecruiser into a "Battleship" it's suddenly no longer a Battlecruiser.

They did upgrade her armor, practically doubling it and violating the Washington Naval Treaty in the process.  They also improved her torpedo protection system.

In the end, she was fast battleship, and other nations did refer to her as a battleship.

If it has the guns of a battleship, and the armor of a battleship, and everyone including you calls it a battleship, it's a battleship.

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On 6/4/2018 at 11:41 PM, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Right.  Because someone decided to rename a Battlecruiser into a "Battleship" it's suddenly no longer a Battlecruiser.

The Kongo did end up with around 300mm combined armour protecting its internals, which is in line with purpose built BB's such as the Texas, Warspite and Arizona, as well as the up armoured Hood, though most of the Hood's is below the waterline. What lets it down is that that protection it spread between a number of layers, in pre-Jutland fashion, thought looking at the in-game armour, it does actually end up having better deck protection that the Hood, with 120mm between its goodies and any plunging fire.

Given all of that, I wonder if the Admiralty wouldn't have been better off doing a modernized Kongo design, built around the BL 14 inch Mk VII guns they used in the KGV's? On the other hand, the KGV has better protection, firepower and range for only 2-3 knots less maximum speed, so in all actuality, the whole concept of the battlecruiser was going obsolete by then.

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16 hours ago, HarryVoyager said:

Given all of that, I wonder if the Admiralty wouldn't have been better off doing a modernized Kongo design, built around the BL 14 inch Mk VII guns they used in the KGV's?

The 14 inch was a product of treaty restrictions rather than good ballistic or construction practice. Twin turrets are relatively inefficient in terms of putting guns into hulls; they demand a longer, heavier and more expensive ship for the same number of gun barrels. The only reason the KGV used them, IIRC, was because of displacement issues (treaty restrictions) and topweight concerns with putting a quad in B position. (British naval architect David K Brown worked out that it was possible to have three quads on a KGV within treaty restrictions but the price is the entire secondary armament.)

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On 8/9/2018 at 1:15 PM, linusboy2118 said:

Already have one its called the HOOD.

Hood isn't really a battlecruiser though. In most ways she is the prototypical fast battleship we all know and love. The idea of a "Battlecruiser" as Jacky Fisher preferred them died with Hood. 

Now the usual counter argument to that statement is "well the Royal Navy referred to her as a Battlecruiser so...?" And yes, that is true. But look deeper into the specifics. Hood was at or less than 2% of having the same amount of armor per ton as the Queen Elizabeth class. Something like 34% Hood and 35-36% QE. Hood had a 12" belt, same as Iowa, but not angled, and not buried in the hullform. Other battlecruisers of her vintage, like Renown, her sister Repulse, Lion, Princess Royal, Tiger, all had 9" belts. 

The reason I say the battlecruiser died with Hood is because every battleship built after that which had the same speed was considered a fast battleship. Oil-fired boilers replacing heavy coal, more efficient and more prevalent turbine powerplants became available, and suddenly you could push battleship guns and battleship armor at battlecruiser speeds. No other battlecruisers were built after 1920. Hood was the last classified one but was generally the first fast battleship. 

Dunkerque is more of a battlecruiser than Hood, And the upcoming Prinz Eitel Freidrich is actually a Mackensen class battlecruiser, one I'm excited to see come into this game. 

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