Argentina Confirmed!

[Chobittsu]

2 minutes ago, JediMasterDraco said:

*rolls eyes* Controversy. In war. Please. She was a military vessel and was an, admittedly informal, state of war between Great Britain and Argentina that the latter had started. If she was a civilian vessel it'd totally make sense that there would be an uproar, but a warship, by God it makes me wonder if people have even looked up the definition of war lately.

Let's not turn this into a Top Gear Patagonia Special

[Super_Dreadnought]

6 minutes ago, Chobittsu said:

Well, yeah, but it was ours first :D

Nope. HMS Warrior was merely loaned by the UK to Canada for 2 years before it was returned to the UK, and then sold it on to Argentina 10 years later to become ARA Independencia.

ARA Veinticinco de Mayo was sold by the UK to the Netherlands, who later sold it to Argentina.

[Landsraad]

16 minutes ago, Chobittsu said:

Well, yeah, but it was ours first :D

HMS Warrior got passed around like a hot potato to be honest, and that's just from a BRIEF glance at her history. Laid down in '42, launched in '44 she was meant to be rushed out to the Indian Ocean (so limited heating systems onboard because tropics). Instead the war shifted to the Pacific, she got knocked down on the priority list, and was finished in '46 and given to Canada (because OBVIOUSLY the northernmost Commonwealth nation needs a ship fitted for warm weather). Where she served a whole TWO years before going back to the Brits. She then stayed there for ten years before being transferred to Argentina, who used her for another ten before putting her on reserve. A couple years of that, and she's scrapped in '71.

Her aircraft compliment wouldn't be too far off from what's currently in-game either at high tiers. F9Fs were the most advanced plane they tested on her, but apparently a lot of her air group was made up of F4U Corsairs. I'm thinking Pan-American Saipan-lite perhaps? Tier 7-ish ship with tier 8-ish planes?

[Super_Dreadnought]

Well if the Commonwealth really needs a CV, I'd personally go with HMAS Melbourne. :P

[Jim_Byrnes]

1 hour ago, Noble_Taipan said:

Most likely for the ARA Nueve de Julio, ex-USS Boise.

Be a solid bet, there's been alot of noise for the Boise of late this may offload it from the upcoming USN split and give some proper attention. Thanks @Chobittsu!

[Landsraad]

17 minutes ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

Well if the Commonwealth really needs a CV, I'd personally go with HMAS Melbourne. :P

Wait, is that a joke, like calling the British Isles USS England? Please say it's a joke, I don't want to have to rename my Perth AGAIN.

[Hyyena]

los hermanos go get a ship, nice.

[Hyyena]

55 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Brasil had a carrier too.

As long as WG fudges the dates a little, (the two were 50's-60's CVs,) either could provide a Pan American line a carrier.

Brasil buy the HMS Vengeance in 1956 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vengeance_(R71)) and change the name for "minas gerais" this one maybe can be on game (if some day they decide work in the carriers, maybe in 2020) but sadily (for brazilians) probabily will be in the uk line.

We also buy one Clamenceau-class ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemenceau-class_aircraft_carrier) from french in 2000 (too late for the game).

We had some ships from WW1 period (like battleship minas gerais https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_battleship_Minas_Geraes) and some frigate/destroyers/light cruisers from ww2 period (most buyed from USA)

[Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi]

1 hour ago, Chobittsu said:

So I was digging around the game files as I always do during a patch, and I spotted something in the flags

Perhaps our friends to the far south are finally going to get some love, maybe we'll be getting a Pan-American lineup of premiums

Confirmed~! I just found textures in a folder named "panamerica" called "VSC026_Nueve_de_Julio_1951"

Nueve de Julio is interesting but I want to see the Belgrano. Only ship sunk by nuclear submarine in combat.

[AdmiralThunder]

2 hours ago, Noble_Taipan said:

Most likely for the ARA Nueve de Julio, ex-USS Boise.

This as it was already revealed that Boise will eventually be renamed and added to a PanAmerican line

[IronMike11B4O]

1 hour ago, JediMasterDraco said:

*rolls eyes* Controversy. In war. Please. She was a military vessel and was an, admittedly informal, state of war between Great Britain and Argentina that the latter had started. If she was a civilian vessel it'd totally make sense that there would be an uproar, but a warship, by God it makes me wonder if people have even looked up the definition of war lately.

As a warfighter my entire adult life this "controversy" makes me laugh. Not at the loss of life but that a country in this case Argentina invades territory then gets it's pee pee smacked and cries foul. SMH.

[Chobittsu]

1 minute ago, IronMike11B4O said:

As a warfighter my entire adult life this "controversy" makes me laugh. Not at the loss of life but that a country in this case Argentina invades territory then gets it's pee pee smacked and cries foul. SMH.

Now now, don't fan the flames

[Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi]

1 hour ago, AVR_Project said:

Controversy over that sinking, was considerable.  She was outside the exclusion zone and on a return course to Argentina.

Water-tight doors were left open, resulting in it's quickly sinking and ~30% casualties.

Don't know if the efforts were in earnest, but Argentina had a peace proposal on the table at the time.  This proposal was not immediately passed to the MP.  But after this..  Argentina went to total war.

Outside the exclusion zone or not she was a military vessel engaging in a potential combat action against the RN fleet. The British were well within their rights to sink the ship.

[Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi]

1 hour ago, Chobittsu said:

Let's not turn this into a Top Gear Patagonia Special

In the defense of Top Gear the Argentinians overeated to the situation. Argentine history on the subject aside.

[Noble_Taipan]

2 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

Don't know if the efforts were in earnest, but Argentina had a peace proposal on the table at the time.  This proposal was not immediately passed to the MP.  But after this..  Argentina went to total war.

Do you have a source for this? 

Also, arguably Argentina didn't go 'total war', as the rest of the fleet returned to port and played no further part in the conflict. Instead, they relied on air power alone, as well as anti-ship missiles, to attack the British Naval task force. 

[mobryan]

As an admitted South American fan boy, I'm jazzed that they are opening the door to some SA ships. Just wish they had gone with ANYTHING other than a straight copy-paste of a major powers boat. Close to a dozen interesting and unique designs, and WG just goes "ctrl-C, crtl-V".  It gives the impression that the faction will be another Pan Asian copy paste line, when there is no reason for it to be done that way.

 

Matt

[Battlecruiser_Siegfried]

What a sad day. The Brooklyns were American first, and should be part of the American tech tree. 

[TugboatCommander]

Very interesting find to be sure, I would definitely collect ships from a Pan American line.

[Gabriel_LXIX]

A mod need prune this thread,  none of the Falklands nonsense has anything to do here

[IronMike11B4O]

1 hour ago, mobryan said:

As an admitted South American fan boy, I'm jazzed that they are opening the door to some SA ships. Just wish they had gone with ANYTHING other than a straight copy-paste of a major powers boat. Close to a dozen interesting and unique designs, and WG just goes "ctrl-C, crtl-V".  It gives the impression that the faction will be another Pan Asian copy paste line, when there is no reason for it to be done that way.

 

Matt

Yeah some of the early 20th century cruisers in the tier 2-4 brackets are similar to other boats in game yet different enough to make me want to play them. This whole thread has made me bust out my copies of Jane's.

[Big_Spud]

I'm happy we got the St. Louis subclass ingame, but at the same time sad the Brooklyns proper will be relegated to another nations premium ship. Personally I was hoping Brooklyn herself would be a tier 7 premium counterpart to Helena, since she would be much more in line with the new CLs than Atlanta is. Plus she's got a decent combat history to back up her name. As it is she may end up just being O'Higgins, which while great for Chilean players, would leave me a bit sour.

[mobryan]

11 minutes ago, IronMike11B4O said:

Yeah some of the early 20th century cruisers in the tier 2-4 brackets are similar to other boats in game yet different enough to make me want to play them. This whole thread has made me bust out my copies of Jane's.

Not all low tiered, either.

Brazilian Cruiser Bahia

ARA La Argentina

ARA 25 de Mayo

Those are all old writeups, I'd probably move Bahia to T3 and La Argentina to T6 now, the 25 de Mayo is going to be a bit odd to balance, it's basically a 6 gun Molotov.

Some super fun DD's too, some that are modifications of major power boats with their own distinct playstyle, and some that are totally unique. How does a T8 armed with 4" autocannons sound? 50 rounds per minute, a 1.3 second base reload...

WG, you didn't HAVE to take the low road, but you did...

 

Matt

[crzyhawk]

1 hour ago, Battlecruiser_NewZealand said:

What a sad day. The Brooklyns were American first, and should be part of the American tech tree. 

Pretty much this.  This is a hard pass, not only do the stats look pretty craptactular, but it's a line I don't have a captain for, at the same tier I am getting a step-sister for, for free.  I /might/ have considered buying Boise or Honolulu.  Helena is a definite buy regardless of what's in my port but they want to give it to me for free.

[Elias_K_Grodin]

I found some information about the ARA Nueve de Julio:

https://thedailybounce.net/2018/03/28/world-of-warships-0-7-4-supertest-argentinian-cruiser-nueve-de-julio/#respond

"Never fear your enemy but always respect them." - John Basilone, US Marine Corps

#anchorsaweigh

[Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi]

2 minutes ago, Gneisenau013 said:

I found some information about the ARA Nueve de Julio:

https://thedailybounce.net/2018/03/28/world-of-warships-0-7-4-supertest-argentinian-cruiser-nueve-de-julio/#respond

"Never fear your enemy but always respect them." - John Basilone, US Marine Corps

#anchorsaweigh

Cool. Can't wait to see it. Hope we can get the Belgrano as well.