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There are several things I would like to see added to the game, and I believe many others would too.   1.  Submarines.  These were very important parts of the War Effort in the US and Germany in WWII and to a lesser extent within all of the other navies as well.  They were also important to Germany in WWI.  2. The use of Subs would then entail an anti-Sub warfare capability for at least the DD's with all of the other navies as well.  3.  I would like to see, at least, the Ribbon Wards for COOP Battles too at all Tier levels. 4 I would also like to see Missions and other activities for Ships of Tier's 1, 2, 3, &4 in all levels I.E. Coop, Random, Ranked, Operations, and any special actions/activities.  (Why do you make awards of ships in these lower tiers if there is no incentive to play them?)5.  You may not like this one:  But your prizes for achieving your goals, within contests do NOT fit the effort needed to complete the required tasks.  In MANY cases the reward is too CHEAP for the effort needed. 6.  It would also be nice to have those Stats for ALL the activity levels.  7.  It would also be nice if you had "Training" games for an individual that showed/taught how to achieve the various requirements for missions/awards. (example:  Hitting Citadels; Where are they?  What is the best way to do so? Etc.)  8.  Sometimes your directions on how to play certain missions/games are too brief and incomplete and leave a person wondering just what is needed.

I do hope you can and will make these changes.  Coop is played by many because it is MORE FUN to play VS Random, and it would be nice to have those rewards as well.

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1 minute ago, maddad1947 said:

There are several things I would like to see added to the game, and I believe many others would too.   1.  Submarines. 

Wow, never thought of that! SO glad you posted this. :cap_popcorn:

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No subs. They wouldn't work well in this kind of game and historically they didn't battle warships but played the role of commerce raiders.

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5 minutes ago, maddad1947 said:

There are several things I would like to see added to the game, and I believe many others would too.   1.  Submarines.

What an interesting idea that I'm sure nobody since 2012 has thought of or analysed to destruction.

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17 minutes ago, maddad1947 said:

There are several things I would like to see added to the game, and I believe many others would too.   1.  Submarines.  These were very important parts of the War Effort in the US and Germany in WWII and to a lesser extent within all of the other navies as well.  They were also important to Germany in WWI.  2. The use of Subs would then entail an anti-Sub warfare capability for at least the DD's with all of the other navies as well.  3.  I would like to see, at least, the Ribbon Wards for COOP Battles too at all Tier levels. 4 I would also like to see Missions and other activities for Ships of Tier's 1, 2, 3, &4 in all levels I.E. Coop, Random, Ranked, Operations, and any special actions/activities.  (Why do you make awards of ships in these lower tiers if there is no incentive to play them?)5.  You may not like this one:  But your prizes for achieving your goals, within contests do NOT fit the effort needed to complete the required tasks.  In MANY cases the reward is too CHEAP for the effort needed. 6.  It would also be nice to have those Stats for ALL the activity levels.  7.  It would also be nice if you had "Training" games for an individual that showed/taught how to achieve the various requirements for missions/awards. (example:  Hitting Citadels; Where are they?  What is the best way to do so? Etc.)  8.  Sometimes your directions on how to play certain missions/games are too brief and incomplete and leave a person wondering just what is needed.

I do hope you can and will make these changes.  Coop is played by many because it is MORE FUN to play VS Random, and it would be nice to have those rewards as well.

I too believe that a player with 12k games wouldn't understand why subs have no place in this game...:Smile_facepalm:

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Every time I see one of these topics I kinda wanna answer seriously, but they end up being that many each day. So please have a totally pointless and unhelpful  gif, showing my feelings. 

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9 minutes ago, awiggin said:

I too believe that a player with 12k games wouldn't understand why subs have no place in this game...:Smile_facepalm:

My thought exactly, but few posts made so perhaps new to the forum to cut the OP some slack.

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6 minutes ago, Stauffenberg44 said:

My thought exactly, but few posts made so perhaps new to the forum to cut the OP some slack.

I can see that, but the very act of playing those 12000 games should have given him all the information he needed on this subject...:Smile_teethhappy:

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4 minutes ago, awiggin said:

I can see that, but the very act of playing those 12000 games should have given him all the information he needed on this subject...:Smile_teethhappy:

Yes I realized that after I posted that remark. lol

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34 minutes ago, maddad1947 said:

There are several things I would like to see added to the game, and I believe many others would too.   1.  Submarines.  These were very important parts of the War Effort in the US and Germany in WWII and to a lesser extent within all of the other navies as well.  They were also important to Germany in WWI.

WOWS is not a re-enactment of WW I or WWII so your justification is invalid. Other things were important to Naval war efforts. Amphibious assaults, Naval Gunfire Support, minefields, laid by both air and sea assets, land based air assets, land based radar stations, coast watchers, PBY patrol planes (as well as the naval version of the B24) We aint getting any of that stuff either. Nor will we be getting skip bombing tactical bombers, or 75mm armed B25s with underwing rocket pods.

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Did someone get into Daddy's account? I can't believe someone with 12K plus games would post this.

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1 hour ago, maddad1947 said:

There are several things I would like to see added to the game, and I believe many others would too.   1.  Submarines.  These were very important parts of the War Effort in the US and Germany in WWII and to a lesser extent within all of the other navies as well.  They were also important to Germany in WWI.  

They were an important part of the war effort, but NOT an important part of fleet combat, which is what this game is about.  Subs were used for convoy raiding and occasionally catching some warship all by its lonesome transiting from one place to another.  During fleet battles, subs were more often used as a way to pick up downed flyers, and occasionally picking off a wounded enemy ship.  But they were not part of actual fleet battles themselves.  And as such, they have no place in this game.

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1 hour ago, Umikami said:

Did someone get into Daddy's account? I can't believe someone with 12K plus games would post this.

Well, he does have only 5 posts, so he may not be aware of all the sub posts on the forum if he's a rare visitor here.

 

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2 hours ago, maddad1947 said:

There are several things I would like to see added to the game, and I believe many others would too.   1.  Submarines.  These were very important parts of the War Effort in the US and Germany in WWII and to a lesser extent within all of the other navies as well.  They were also important to Germany in WWI.  2. The use of Subs would then entail an anti-Sub warfare capability for at least the DD's with all of the other navies as well.  3.  I would like to see, at least, the Ribbon Wards for COOP Battles too at all Tier levels. 4 I would also like to see Missions and other activities for Ships of Tier's 1, 2, 3, &4 in all levels I.E. Coop, Random, Ranked, Operations, and any special actions/activities.  (Why do you make awards of ships in these lower tiers if there is no incentive to play them?)5.  You may not like this one:  But your prizes for achieving your goals, within contests do NOT fit the effort needed to complete the required tasks.  In MANY cases the reward is too CHEAP for the effort needed. 6.  It would also be nice to have those Stats for ALL the activity levels.  7.  It would also be nice if you had "Training" games for an individual that showed/taught how to achieve the various requirements for missions/awards. (example:  Hitting Citadels; Where are they?  What is the best way to do so? Etc.)  8.  Sometimes your directions on how to play certain missions/games are too brief and incomplete and leave a person wondering just what is needed.

I do hope you can and will make these changes.  Coop is played by many because it is MORE FUN to play VS Random, and it would be nice to have those rewards as well.

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47 minutes ago, Crucis said:

Well, he does have only 5 posts, so he may not be aware of all the sub posts on the forum if he's a rare visitor here.

The search function is his friend, and after 12 K games he should at least be aware that it exists. Don't get me wrong, some of his suggestions are do-able, some already exist, and some are pure fantasy. But a player with that many games ought to know these things. My Opinion.

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Just imagine the amount of money WG would rake in if they offered to sell just 1 premium submarine :Smile_coin:

Then comes the non-stop complaints and outright begging and threats of "insert name here" is leaving or pissed off because it's too weak/slow.

I'll admit, I like the idea (or would at least I'd like to give it that sort of playstyle a try) but I know it's not going to happen.

Definitely wouldn't mind seeing submarine hunting in a scenario though.

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2 hours ago, coletrain_commander said:

No subs. They wouldn't work well in this kind of game and historically they didn't battle warships but played the role of commerce raiders.

1914 September 5 - HMS pathfinder was sunk by a submarine
1914 September 22 - HMS Aboukir, HMS Hogue and HMS Cressy were all sunk by the same submarine within one hour.
1914 October 18 - HMS E3 the first submarine to be sunk by another submarine.
1915 May 25 - HMS Majestic sunk.
1915 May 27 - HMS Triumph sunk.
1939 October 14 - HMS Royal Oak is sunk
1941 November 13  - HMS Ark Royal Struck by a single torpedo from a submarine, sinks the following day due to the damage.
1942 September 15  - USS Wasp, USS O'Brien were both sunk, USS North Carolina damaged.
1944 November 29  - IJN Shinano is sunk
1945 February 6 - First instance of a submerged submarine, sinking another submerged submarine.

I'm sorry... what was that about them not battling warships?

13 warships sunk, 1 damaged.

German U-boats were primarily used against merchant ships, yes, but that did not mean they never targeted warships.
 

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26 minutes ago, Counter_Gambit said:

1914 September 5 - HMS pathfinder was sunk by a submarine
1914 September 22 - HMS Aboukir, HMS Hogue and HMS Cressy were all sunk by the same submarine within one hour.
1914 October 18 - HMS E3 the first submarine to be sunk by another submarine.
1915 May 25 - HMS Majestic sunk.
1915 May 27 - HMS Triumph sunk.
1939 October 14 - HMS Royal Oak is sunk
1941 November 13  - HMS Ark Royal Struck by a single torpedo from a submarine, sinks the following day due to the damage.
1942 September 15  - USS Wasp, USS O'Brien were both sunk, USS North Carolina damaged.
1944 November 29  - IJN Shinano is sunk
1945 February 6 - First instance of a submerged submarine, sinking another submerged submarine.

I'm sorry... what was that about them not battling warships?

13 warships sunk, 1 damaged.

German U-boats were primarily used against merchant ships, yes, but that did not mean they never targeted warships.
 

Were there a few sub vs warship encounters, yes but that doesn't mean subs were intended to battle warships. Both in the Atlantic and Pacific subs primarily and overwhelmingly engaged merchant, troop and other commerce ships. 

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47 minutes ago, Counter_Gambit said:

1914 September 5 - HMS pathfinder was sunk by a submarine
1914 September 22 - HMS Aboukir, HMS Hogue and HMS Cressy were all sunk by the same submarine within one hour.
1914 October 18 - HMS E3 the first submarine to be sunk by another submarine.
1915 May 25 - HMS Majestic sunk.
1915 May 27 - HMS Triumph sunk.
1939 October 14 - HMS Royal Oak is sunk
1941 November 13  - HMS Ark Royal Struck by a single torpedo from a submarine, sinks the following day due to the damage.
1942 September 15  - USS Wasp, USS O'Brien were both sunk, USS North Carolina damaged.
1944 November 29  - IJN Shinano is sunk
1945 February 6 - First instance of a submerged submarine, sinking another submerged submarine.

I'm sorry... what was that about them not battling warships?

13 warships sunk, 1 damaged.

German U-boats were primarily used against merchant ships, yes, but that did not mean they never targeted warships.
 

I doubt that any of those occurred during a fleet battle where the subs were an integral part of a fleet engagement.  I imagine that in every case above, the major warships were either caught transiting from one place to another, or  were caught damaged and dead in the water.  And most of the small fry were doing convoy escort duty, meaning that they weren't part of a major surface action.

 

The point wasn't that they don't battle warships.  It's that they aren't part of any fleet engagements.  They're raiders, not fleet combatants.

 

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No.  ASW is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

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So, I do appear to have touched a nerve, with my comments about Submarines.  Please note I did say "War Effort"  and a great part of that war effort was the attempt to strangle the supply lines to Great Britain (By the Germans)  and to Japan (By the United States).  Germany was not successful which led to their defeat:  The United States was successful which contributed greatly to the defeat of Japan.  The targets were the merchant fleets with an occasional "Cherry" of a warship.  For this to happen in this game it would have to be almost completely and only as an "Operational Mode"  I really don't see how it could work in any other way.  Yet in an Operational Mode it could be set up to go after Historic events where a sub did encounter and defeat another Warship or wolf packs did go after a large Convoy.  Under that operation you could have players or Bots on both sides or just one.  REMEMBER Merchant ships were slow.  I believe even the mass produced Liberty ships couldn't do much more then 10 knots.  So much for my defense of the request for Submarines, It could be done.  One last point that can be debated I am sure, but the German Navy (WWII) was in reality built to be a Commerce raiding Navy and not to take on the British Navy unless it had to or could defeat what it ran up against otherwise it was to out run the more powerful Royal Navy Warships of that same class. The idea was for England to be forced into accepting a peace treaty before "starvation" for lack of supplies.   Oh, and a suggestion on how this could be done?  Well we just had a nice spell of made up ships fighting in Outer Space, the same could be done for submarines and "Inner Space" so to speak. Don't be so quick to damn an idea.  How many thought you would be fighting a "Naval" War in Outer Space?

As for my other suggestions, as there were no attacks against them, I would assume (don't like to use that word) that at least the majority would be in favor of seeing them implemented?

As for why I am a rare visitor it is because I really don't believe it does any good.  But once in a great while I have to say something, even if it does not do any good. It does stir things up, and who knows maybe just maybe. 

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On 5/7/2018 at 10:18 AM, Umikami said:

Did someone get into Daddy's account? I can't believe someone with 12K plus games would post this.

I refer you to Sub threads and Mine laying DD threads. :Smile_teethhappy:

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Others preys of U-boots in WWII (British): battleship Barham, carriers Courageous, Eagle, Audacity,a number of escort carriers, Cl Galatea,DD Cossack, DE Bickerton, Etc, to name only a few by memory.

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