30 [TBOW] embeddeddear97 Members 211 posts 1,906 battles Report post #1 Posted May 6 Lyon is wayyy to OP. We had a arizona, Colorado, Leander and some destroyer go up against a Lyon. After that battle I (the Arizona) was sunk the Colorado had about 1000 HP remaining after a single hit citadeled it probably 2-3 times. The Leander was sunk and the destroyer unsuccessfully torpedoed it only hitting once or twice. The destroyer itself being halfed in HP. After they finally sunk the Lyon (with its final shots crippling the Colorado) an enemy Colorado came around the corner and that didn’t help matters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
219 [VIKES] nagasakee [VIKES] Members 552 posts 12,006 battles Report post #2 Posted May 6 (edited) wasn't this just covered like a week or two ago? It's not OP and has a lot of defects, liking showing broadside to fire its salvos. It is a fun ship and needs no nerfs at all. Edited May 6 by nagasakee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,089 Stauffenberg44 Members 3,563 posts 6,877 battles Report post #3 Posted May 6 1 minute ago, nagasakee said: wasn't this just covered like a week or two ago? It's not OP and has a lot of defects, liking showing broadside to fire its salvos. It is a fun ship and needs no nerfs at all. Agree. More like an OP captain involved. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
671 [KP] CriMiNaL__ Beta Testers 1,834 posts 11,180 battles Report post #4 Posted May 6 (edited) 9 minutes ago, embeddeddear97 said: Lyon is wayyy to OP. We had a arizona, Colorado, Leander and some destroyer go up against a Lyon. After that battle I (the Arizona) was sunk the Colorado had about 1000 HP remaining after a single hit citadeled it probably 2-3 times. The Leander was sunk and the destroyer unsuccessfully torpedoed it only hitting once or twice. The destroyer itself being halfed in HP. After they finally sunk the Lyon (with its final shots crippling the Colorado) an enemy Colorado came around the corner and that didn’t help matters You would need to put in a replay as the player using the Lyon might be angled correctly to absorb the shots and the BB he was shooting might not have been, it does have 16 guns so that is like your Arizona firing every 22 seconds Edited May 6 by CriMiNaL__ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
243 [TDRB] kgh52 Members 1,102 posts 4,194 battles Report post #5 Posted May 6 Quote Lyon is wayyy to OP. It is the skill of the Lyon commander, not the ship, that was overpowering in your encounter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
394 Xlap Members 2,392 posts 7,707 battles Report post #6 Posted May 6 IMO Lyon is a meh ship, the only thing that saves that ship is that Lyon has 16 guns. Its THE shotgun in WoWs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
243 [TDRB] kgh52 Members 1,102 posts 4,194 battles Report post #7 Posted May 6 Quote wasn't this just covered like a week or two ago? It's not OP and has a lot of defects, liking showing broadside to fire its salvos. It is a fun ship and needs no nerfs at all. Of the T7 BB's the Lyon has the weakest main guns, the lowest HP and the turrets traverse time is measured with a calendar, over 50 seconds to travel 180 degrees and as you said, showing its broadside to bring all guns to bear. It also does not have a spotter plane to extend the gun range. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
536 Raven114 Members 1,788 posts 5,663 battles Report post #8 Posted May 6 You seemed to have met a Skilled Player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
243 [TDRB] kgh52 Members 1,102 posts 4,194 battles Report post #9 Posted May 6 Quote We had a arizona, Colorado, Leander and some destroyer go up against a Lyon. One of the strengths of the Lyon is deleting cruisers. USN 16" shells tears a Lyon apart. A Colorado caught me broadside and erased about 2/3rds of my HP in a single broadside. The ship I was battling administered the coup de gras before the Colorado reloaded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
84 56Bravo Beta Testers 405 posts 4,794 battles Report post #10 Posted May 6 Lyon? I seem to remember sailing a Wyoming and taking on two Kongos singlehandedly. Lost half my health and sunk both. Screw the Lyon, Wyoming is OP nerf the hell out of that ship instead. The point here, other than the situation being slightly comical, is that when you don't know how to fight and take on someone who is skilled or lucky, you get handed your butt. Spend a lot more time at the lower tiers so you can learn the finer points of fighting in a US battleship, get a few thousand matches under your belt and then you can ROFL-stomp that player in the OP Lyon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,212 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 15,632 posts 9,035 battles Report post #11 Posted May 6 When played well the Lyon wrecks face but on the flip side when not played well you are back in port Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,504 [INTEL] alexf24 Members 6,662 posts 25,738 battles Report post #12 Posted May 6 Ah, seems to be confused between an OP ship and an OP driver. There is a difference. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
357 Edselman Members 1,642 posts 2,152 battles Report post #13 Posted May 6 (edited) You must've been doin it wrong. With heavily armored BBs like the Arizona and Colorado, if you would've angled correctly the Lyon would have a lot of trouble scoring big hits on you. It has a lot of guns but they're still only 14". A few weeks back, I easily destroyed a full hp Lyon in my half hp Colorado by staying angled. At the same time, the Lyon's crappy armor won't hold up well against other BB guns and one that is showing it's broadside can almost get deleted. Edited May 6 by Edselman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40 [WOLFD] InventedThought [WOLFD] Members 344 posts 3,704 battles Report post #14 Posted May 6 Using this logic my conclusion is ALL the ships in this game are OP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,272 [RKLES] Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 7,210 posts 8,983 battles Report post #15 Posted May 6 Lyon puts pretty much all of it’s effectiveness into its guns, with only some armor and reasonable speed. It lacks Catapult aircraft and hydro. Honestly while I can use it effectively, it is also one of my favorite ships to snack on for its HP and kill since any of my other ships can usually punch through its armor. When using my DDs they are a lot of fun since without Hydro or Catapult aircraft the Lyon is very vulnerable to my incoming torpedoes far too often. Also Lyon Firing 16 shells and it’s dispersion means that often you will see a Lyon get 1 or even no hits out of 16 shells fired. Of course it can sometimes get a large number of hits as well, the gun accuracy does play a factor in balancing the ship. So while Lyon does have it's strong points, it does have enough weaknesses to balance out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,272 [RKLES] Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 7,210 posts 8,983 battles Report post #16 Posted May 6 26 minutes ago, alexf24 said: Ah, seems to be confused between an OP ship and an OP driver. There is a difference. So true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,999 [ARGSY] Ensign_Cthulhu Members 6,312 posts 4,256 battles Report post #17 Posted May 6 1 hour ago, embeddeddear97 said: Lyon is wayyy to OP. So grind up to it and make use of the fact! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
102 [POP] Alien_Observer Beta Testers 289 posts 10,505 battles Report post #18 Posted May 6 Seems nowadays that everyone just loves sailing broadside, and when the paddling occurs well ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, OP accusations start to fly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
332 [SYN] Warped_1 [SYN] Members 1,341 posts 14,842 battles Report post #19 Posted May 6 The Lyon is one of my favorites, but it tends to rely on others mistakes. Here are one of my favorites. https://replayswows.com/replay/20202#stats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,365 [PVE] AdmiralThunder [PVE] Members 5,854 posts 10,641 battles Report post #20 Posted May 6 1 hour ago, Stauffenberg44 said: Agree. More like an OP captain involved. This. Lyon is great but hardly OP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,089 Stauffenberg44 Members 3,563 posts 6,877 battles Report post #21 Posted May 6 Lyon is one of my favourite ships--57% WR over 99 battles which is quite good by my own modest standards. I use the gift captain who is now up to 16-pt and Lyon is a ship where that makes a difference. But on a more basic level firing 16 gun broadsides is addictive. ;) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,738 [INTEL] Taichunger Members 8,585 posts 25,702 battles Report post #22 Posted May 6 15 hours ago, Stauffenberg44 said: Lyon is one of my favourite ships--57% WR over 99 battles which is quite good by my own modest standards. I use the gift captain who is now up to 16-pt and Lyon is a ship where that makes a difference. But on a more basic level firing 16 gun broadsides is addictive. ;) oh hell yeah. That ship is so much fun to play. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
471 [MAHAN] AdmiralPiett Beta Testers 1,391 posts 5,086 battles Report post #23 Posted May 6 I didn't actually like Lyon that much. It is a good tier VII, but I don't really enjoy the shotgun playstyle. I haven't had any issues dealing with Lyons when they turn up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
273 [HCH] sulghunter331 [HCH] Beta Testers 877 posts 7,240 battles Report post #24 Posted May 6 (edited) <---- *whenever I see a Lyon go broadside to use all of its guns* Edited May 6 by sulghunter331 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
52 [BTH] LukeV Beta Testers 198 posts 4,666 battles Report post #25 Posted May 6 Not to hijack, but can anyone comment on what the 4th equipment slot should be? Rudder shift or Damage Repair? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
