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Why do Gearings keep running from Asashios?

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Every time there's a Gearing on my team they go for 1 of the outer caps & as soon as an Asashio shows up they run to the B cap leaving the Asashio the free cap & free reign on any BBs in the area...this has happened at least a dozen times between yesterday & today...I just don't get it.

The 1st time it happened yesterday there was a Gearing Shima div & they met a double Asashio div in the cap & both of them ran to B & ever since then it seems like every Gearing I've seen has run from the Asashios.

Could it be that there was some kind of filter in the announcement that stopped anybody w/a Gearing getting the message that they can't torp them...or was there maybe an alternate message sent to them telling them that the Asashio has Khab class guns & they should avoid them at all costs?

Edit: I do understand the Asashio has the spotting advantage but in all the scenarios I was referring to in order for me to know that the Asashio was even there it would have to have been spotted itself already...& in most of the instances I'm referring to the Asashio immediately smoked giving up all spotting advantage.

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I too have seen this often the last few days and are confused. It does seem to be mainly the US DDs who turn, torp and run, rather than push into the asashio cloud 4km away.

mind you, the number of times asashios have tried to torp my Udaloi at close range is... a lot..

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5.9 vs 5.3 concealment. And gearing takes both HE & AP damage like a biatch .

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A 0.6km buffer range can be problematic. Potentially an Asashio played well can keep the Gearing lit for the first few minutes around a cap without getting spotted, making it a pretty high priority target.

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Man, I haven't even played mone yet! See what I'm missing?

 

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1 hour ago, zuga_01 said:

5.9 vs 5.3 concealment. And gearing takes both HE & AP damage like a biatch .

yep.  I love shooting gearings in my BBs.  they more than any other DD love to eat full BB AP pens.  the worst of the tier 10 DDs imo.  its value only goes up if you have DF and there is a CV.

 

if the gearing can attack the asas without too much risk, then they should.  but in the early game, particularly in the open caps, that isn't really possible.  That buffer between the 2 detection ranges is pretty massive.  if the asas plays it right, they can keep the enemy lit up for their team to farm without the gearing ever having a chance to spot.  plus in a kiting gun fight, the asas would have the advantage.  Best chance for the gearing is to use terrain to ambush or get to where they can fight the asas without others interfering. 

 

of course there are always potatoes.   ive seen a lot of asas try torping DDs.  watched one yesterday on my team try to torp a mino twice(once at point blank range).  you can guess how well that went. 

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54 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

A 0.6km buffer range can be problematic. Potentially an Asashio played well can keep the Gearing lit for the first few minutes around a cap without getting spotted, making it a pretty high priority target.

That's not "played well" that's "played flawlessly".

I find that much too often people have unrealistic expectations on what you can and can't do with stealth. If you're THAT close it takes literally nothing to get lit. And there is a ton of stuff buzzing around to break stealth, even for a moment. Then once its known a DD is there its radartime baby!

I use the 6.7km torps on LoYang so I fully understand knife edge stealth play and it's damned hard, and much harder than what people assume possible. It can be done, but not just "whenever you feel like it", the stars have to line up AND you have to have the skill to pull it off if they do.

 

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As a Gearing player, the only problem I can have with Asashio is if she's outspotting me and I'm being focused by her teammates so I have to avoid shells (thanks WG maneuverability isn't like Khaba's one) instead of hunting the DD. In any other situation this poor japanese mistake should prepare to die or have awful results in terms of damage and all that.

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3 hours ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

Every time there's a Gearing on my team they go for 1 of the outer caps & as soon as an Asashio shows up they run to the B cap leaving the Asashio the free cap & free reign on any BBs in the area...this has happened at least a dozen times between yesterday & today...I just don't get it.

The 1st time it happened yesterday there was a Gearing Shima div & they met a double Asashio div in the cap & both of them ran to B & ever since then it seems like every Gearing I've seen has run from the Asashios.

Could it be that there was some kind of filter in the announcement that stopped anybody w/a Gearing getting the message that they can't torp them...or was there maybe an alternate message sent to them telling them that the Asashio has Khab class guns & they should avoid them at all costs?

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2 hours ago, warheart1992 said:

A 0.6km buffer range can be problematic. Potentially an Asashio played well can keep the Gearing lit for the first few minutes around a cap without getting spotted, making it a pretty high priority target.

This. 

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1 hour ago, Canadatron said:

That's not "played well" that's "played flawlessly".

I find that much too often people have unrealistic expectations on what you can and can't do with stealth. If you're THAT close it takes literally nothing to get lit. And there is a ton of stuff buzzing around to break stealth, even for a moment. Then once its known a DD is there its radartime baby!

I use the 6.7km torps on LoYang so I fully understand knife edge stealth play and it's damned hard, and much harder than what people assume possible. It can be done, but not just "whenever you feel like it", the stars have to line up AND you have to have the skill to pull it off if they do.

 

oh of course you have to be pretty good to pull something like this off. But if you take into account the fact that the Gearing will start taking fire, also BB AP, then will have to smoke gives you an edge. In addition it makes him a sitting duck for radar. IF in an Asashio you are ready to go in the opposite direction in the cap, and IF you have some radar support, its doable.

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4 hours ago, warheart1992 said:

A 0.6km buffer range can be problematic. Potentially an Asashio played well can keep the Gearing lit for the first few minutes around a cap without getting spotted, making it a pretty high priority target.

This ^ might be the reason. Often especially if I am inna CA or BB like Bismarck I will often escort my DDs into caps. Imagine a Gearing getting lit up by DD stealthier than there are and then getting immediately pounded by intense barrage of fire.

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4 hours ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

Every time there's a Gearing on my team they go for 1 of the outer caps & as soon as an Asashio shows up they run to the B cap leaving the Asashio the free cap & free reign on any BBs in the area...this has happened at least a dozen times between yesterday & today...I just don't get it.

The 1st time it happened yesterday there was a Gearing Shima div & they met a double Asashio div in the cap & both of them ran to B & ever since then it seems like every Gearing I've seen has run from the Asashios.

Could it be that there was some kind of filter in the announcement that stopped anybody w/a Gearing getting the message that they can't torp them...or was there maybe an alternate message sent to them telling them that the Asashio has Khab class guns & they should avoid them at all costs?

I can see in a early game scenario where a Asashio can spot a Gearing for a concentrated bunch of teammates that can concentrate their fire; a Gearing may be reluctant to engage a Asashio.  That would be attributable to the fear of spotting for the team rather than fear of the DD itself.

In a later game scenario w/ no or spotty support, the Gearing should be able to at least chase an Asashio from the cap & if the Asashio gets overly bold (given equal player skills), the Gearing’s ROF, HP & slight speed advantage should be able to easily take it down.  I haven’t seen many competent Gearing Captains running from Asashio with the exception of being reluctant to engage due to enemy team focus fire.

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Its easy to call a dd a coward sometimes for not attacking and doing its role, but there's a time to push and pushing someone with a concealment advantage deeper in enemy territory without knowing where their support at, is a good way to die. People forget usually dd fights are won by who has the most support more than who is the best shot.

It is common game knowledge to know when to push and not to after all, something people like me still need to learn better.

 

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10 hours ago, thebigblue said:

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13 hours ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

Every time there's a Gearing on my team they go for 1 of the outer caps & as soon as an Asashio shows up they run to the B cap leaving the Asashio the free cap & free reign on any BBs in the area...this has happened at least a dozen times between yesterday & today...I just don't get it.

The 1st time it happened yesterday there was a Gearing Shima div & they met a double Asashio div in the cap & both of them ran to B & ever since then it seems like every Gearing I've seen has run from the Asashios.

Could it be that there was some kind of filter in the announcement that stopped anybody w/a Gearing getting the message that they can't torp them...or was there maybe an alternate message sent to them telling them that the Asashio has Khab class guns & they should avoid them at all costs?

Edit: I do understand the Asashio has the spotting advantage but in all the scenarios I was referring to in order for me to know that the Asashio was even there it would have to have been spotted itself already...& in most of the instances I'm referring to the Asashio immediately smoked giving up all spotting advantage.

I report them every time I see that. These people are beyond braindead. In a 1 on 1 gunfight, how many Gearings, that you have seen, try to torp the enemy Asashio instead of gunning them down?

... the stupidity, its unbearable.

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It’s well known that the Asashio has tier X torpedo damage :etc_hide_turtle:

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1 minute ago, Ulthwey said:

I report them every time I see that. These people are beyond braindead. In a 1 on 1 gunfight, how many Gearings, that you have seen, try to torp the enemy Asashio instead of gunning them down?

... the stupidity, its unbearable.

I'd prefer if they even torped...all the 1s I see usually just run w/out even torping...even when the Asashios smoked they don't even torp their smoke.

It's almost like they are afraid the Asashio can trace their shells/torps back to them & instantly annihilate them w/mental telepathy...lol.

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1 minute ago, SkaerKrow said:

It’s well known that the Asashio has tier X torpedo damage :etc_hide_turtle:

Not against DDs...they can only hit BBs & CVs w/their torps.

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4 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

Not against DDs...they can only hit BBs & CVs w/their torps.

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13 hours ago, zuga_01 said:

5.9 vs 5.3 concealment. And gearing takes both HE & AP damage like a biatch .

 

13 hours ago, warheart1992 said:

A 0.6km buffer range can be problematic. Potentially an Asashio played well can keep the Gearing lit for the first few minutes around a cap without getting spotted, making it a pretty high priority target.

 

10 hours ago, Gascan75 said:

This. 

 

9 hours ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

This ^ might be the reason. Often especially if I am inna CA or BB like Bismarck I will often escort my DDs into caps. Imagine a Gearing getting lit up by DD stealthier than there are and then getting immediately pounded by intense barrage of fire.

Sorry...I have edited my OP & just tagging you guys as your comments were the inspiration for the edit: Asashios were already spotted themselves for me to know they were there.

 

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9 hours ago, hangglide42 said:

I can see in a early game scenario where a Asashio can spot a Gearing for a concentrated bunch of teammates that can concentrate their fire; a Gearing may be reluctant to engage a Asashio.  That would be attributable to the fear of spotting for the team rather than fear of the DD itself.

In a later game scenario w/ no or spotty support, the Gearing should be able to at least chase an Asashio from the cap & if the Asashio gets overly bold (given equal player skills), the Gearing’s ROF, HP & slight speed advantage should be able to easily take it down.  I haven’t seen many competent Gearing Captains running from Asashio with the exception of being reluctant to engage due to enemy team focus fire.

 

This. It's exactly the right answer.

Asashio shouldn't be trying to play the deep penetration game in the early battle. It should be spotting and trying to do exactly this: neutralizing the higher-power CQB gunboats advantage with its stealth. Wait until the battle develops and initial plans all fall to [excrement] before trying to penetrate and nuke the BBs. That's mid to late-game strategy, there.

As for the Gearing drivers... there's not enough information to tell how reasonable their strategy was. We don't know enough about green fleet deployments, etc.

If the Asashio is by itself and there's nobody within my gun range and line of sight, I'd say go guns on him and feed him red pills of truth, justice and the American way. I'd go invisible as soon as he's dead, since he's the one spotting me.

If there's a BB or cruiser within my line of sight and inside my gun range? I'd run like hell, and I wouldn't fire guns in order to make sure I vanish as quickly as possible. Depending on the BB's course, I may or may not shoot my torpedoes at Asashio. I might save them and hope the big boy comes to investigate, and then maybe I can torp him and then go back to gun down the Asashio.

There's a lot of variables here.

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10 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

I'd prefer if they even torped...all the 1s I see usually just run w/out even torping...even when the Asashios smoked they don't even torp their smoke.

It's almost like they are afraid the Asashio can trace their shells/torps back to them & instantly annihilate them w/mental telepathy...lol.

A good Gearing player will gun down his enemy without even switching to his torps. In the time it takes to launch torps in a gunfight, your opponent will rip off half of your hp.

The only exception is when it comes to fighting the russians, because their DDs have too much hp to bring down using guns alone.

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8 minutes ago, Ulthwey said:

A good Gearing player will gun down his enemy without even switching to his torps. In the time it takes to launch torps in a gunfight, your opponent will rip off half of your hp.

The only exception is when it comes to fighting the russians, because their DDs have too much hp to bring down using guns alone.

 

Even if you manage to torp my Khab, you'd best make sure you get at least three of them into me if I'm full health. Or you'd better bring more friends. One or two torps is going to just piss me off and then I'm going to rip you to shreds.

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