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As of now, which western European country has a navy that won't get wiped out completely by the mighty Russian navy?

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Switzerland, obviously. They've never lost a naval battle.

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The Astutes are probably the best SSN's afloat (haha) right now. And the coming Dreadnoughts... well lets just say they are going to have a few features that will put the entire *world's* Navies in a position similar to 1906.

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2 minutes ago, _RC1138 said:

The Astutes are probably the best SSN's afloat (haha) right now. And the coming Dreadnoughts... well lets just say they are going to have a few features that will put the entire *world's* Navies in a position similar to 1906.

HMS Artful

HMS Audacious

HMS Agamemnon

Sounds like Tumblr usernames coined by adolescence with a lot of teenage angst for participating in the chess club.

 

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No paper ships.... well then Russia doesn’t have a navy at all. I mean, unless you count all the rusty water heaters they have rotting in port from the Cold War.

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Just now, thebigblue said:

No paper ships.... well then Russia doesn’t have a navy at all. I mean, unless you count all the rusty water heaters they have rotting in port from the Cold War.

Ya, so my answer is everyone.

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8 minutes ago, AkiyamaSaneyuki_2017 said:

HMS Artful

HMS Audacious

HMS Agamemnon

Sounds like Tumblr usernames coined by adolescence with a lot of teenage angst for participating in the chess club.

 

You are aware that those are names that have all been in use by the Royal Navy since the 1700's right? And in the case of Agamemnon, is a name from Homeric Poems dating back older than the Christian Bible.

 

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8 minutes ago, _RC1138 said:

You are aware that those are names that have all been in use by the Royal Navy since the 1700's right? And in the case of Agamemnon, is a name from Homeric Poems dating back older than the Christian Bible.

 

 Now now, don't be messing up his attempt at humor by dragging history into it. You can't be assuming others have read anything more in depth than a Marvel comic.

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33 minutes ago, AkiyamaSaneyuki_2017 said:

Sounds like Tumblr usernames coined by adolescence with a lot of teenage angst for participating in the chess club.

Actually these names have a long history and have been used on many ships previously, long before Tumblr (or even the internet) was a thing.

Perhaps you are projecting?

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Well at any rate, the Royal Navy Submarines, especially the Astutes but the coming Dreadnoughts as well are the best SSN's around, made moreso in a fleet engagement situation by employing the Spearfish which completely outclasses the Mk48 and the Type 65. Add to that the best Sonar and Passive Acoustics systems in the world and there is no surface ship afloat that an Astute need fear and even the Virginia Class boats are unable to 'out spot' Astutes.

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2 minutes ago, Lonewolfpj said:

France and England both have great navy’s

That, and Russia's submarine heavy navy is more of a naval power projection deterrent, than a naval power projector.

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3 minutes ago, Lonewolfpj said:

France and England both have great navy’s

^ This. Are you talking in the game, where both have some fantastic ships, or real life, where both have much better carriers, cruisers, and submarines? Either way...

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We are spending a bit more lately, though it is mostly cooperation to keep the costs down. The Netherlands shares for example the ZrMs Karel Doorman with Germany, Germany shares tanks with the Netherlands, etcetera. 

Though Europe has a different culture thn the US regarding this. “Thank you for your service” is a sentence you won’t hear. We spend money on other things.

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5 minutes ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

We spend money on other things.

And that money tends to have better returns on investment too. The things the US does well are things we don't spend taxpayer money on. Not to say that all things that we don't spend taxpayer money on do well, or that cutting off tax payer funds will improve the quality of what was being funded.

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Finnland!

 

Our "navy" was 2 floating coastal batteries to defend Åland and couple of submarines (because German u-boats is made in Turkus Cricton-Vulcans shipyard. This shipyard was scotish-svedish-finnish yard and country was then Russia. Also some patrol boats and mbt:s and minelayers.  Pretty much nothing big thing to sink. Those 2 coastal defence ships was very light with very thin armor but with 254 mm 2x2 batteries. Displacement was something like light cruiser. 

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If we buy enough bundles they can get another floating banana troop transport. (It was built in the 50's and recently used to land troops in Syria.)

Wonder what bonuses the yellow camo comes with?

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1 hour ago, AkiyamaSaneyuki_2017 said:

Sadly no. 

I'm still waiting for an answer. 

The worst enemies of the Russian navy, are not other European navies, but Russia itself. Impossibly complex coastlines and theatres to defend, grandiose ambitions and RT props, shiny new corvettes and diesel electric subs, mask a reality of rusting hulks.

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12 hours ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

We are spending a bit more lately, though it is mostly cooperation to keep the costs down. The Netherlands shares for example the ZrMs Karel Doorman with Germany, Germany shares tanks with the Netherlands, etcetera. 

Though Europe has a different culture thn the US regarding this. “Thank you for your service” is a sentence you won’t hear. We spend money on other things.

A bit off topic but....

Thank you for your service should be something every service member from every country should hear. Particularly in the developing nations where guys get blown up just for waiting in line to enlist.

Spending fractions of dollars on national defense while investing in “other things” might make economic sense. That all goes out the window when neighbors are annexed and you become entirely dependent on mutual defense agreements.

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1 minute ago, DarthZeppelin said:

The worst enemies of the Russian navy, are not other European navies, but Russia itself. Impossibly complex coastlines and theatres to defend, grandiose ambitions and RT props, shiny new corvettes and diesel electric subs, mask a reality of rusting hulks.

That and their surface fleet has the same problem the German's had; predictable routes. There's only so many ways they can get into the Atlantic/Pacific from Russia and it greatly reduces where the Royal Navy, French Navy, or US Navy has to be to counter them.

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1 hour ago, AkiyamaSaneyuki_2017 said:

England? Germany? Ireland?

Monoco

Doesn't matter about an individual country such as Switzerland going to war with the Russian Navy.  Its now and has been for decades a function of what Alliance could deal with the Russian Navy.  The answer is obviously NATO.  

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