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Please use more historical commanders instead of these made up ones like Helmut Schiffman, Jean-Jacques Honore, and Jack Dunkirk. I understand that it's probably more difficult to use real people but if you can put Halsey and Yamamato in the game there is no excuse for not having real commanders for the other navies. In the case of the Germans if the Nazi stuff worries you then don't use Kriegsmarine commanders. The Kaiserliche Marine had plenty of great choices. Karl von Muller of the Emden would be a great and completely uncontroversial option for a unique German commander. 

This is an area where the game could really make use of history without having any impact on the game balance and right now the opportunity is just being wasted with these boring fictional officers. 

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Just now, Rocketpacman said:

Please use more historical commanders instead of these made up ones like Helmut Schiffman, Jean-Jacques Honore, and Jack Dunkirk. I understand that it's probably more difficult to use real people but if you can put Halsey and Yamamato in the game there is no excuse for not having real commanders for the other navies. In the case of the Germans if the Nazi stuff worries you then don't use Kriegsmarine commanders. The Kaiserliche Marine had plenty of great choices. Karl von Muller of the Emden would be a great and completely uncontroversial option for a unique German commander. 

This is an area where the game could really make use of history without having any impact on the game balance and right now the opportunity is just being wasted with these boring fictional officers. 

Except that 99% of the player base probably has no idea who these people are, and don't care?:Smile_teethhappy:

I'm fine with them using historic names, or not....if they aren't using them, there might be a reason.

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What, you mean John Doe wasn't a real captain? :Smile_amazed:

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4 minutes ago, awiggin said:

Except that 99% of the player base probably has no idea who these people are, and don't care?:Smile_teethhappy:

I'm fine with them using historic names, or not....if they aren't using them, there might be a reason.

99% of the player-base probably didn't know most of the actual ships in this game existed. That wouldn't have been a reason to ignore real ships in favor of WG fantasies. 

3 minutes ago, killsbane67 said:

Possible that WG needs permission from the families to use in names in game?

Well my point was that they got Halsey and Yamamato so it's hard for me to believe that other real commanders are beyond the pale whatever hurdles WG might have to leap through in order to use them. 

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40 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

What, you mean John Doe wasn't a real captain? :Smile_amazed:

You need a bigger spoon to stir up that pot?

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11 minutes ago, Ju87s said:

Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1976-127-06A,_Karl

That looks amazingly like René Auberjonois, the actor who played Clayton Endicott III on "Benson" and Odo on "Star Trek DS9".

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36 minutes ago, Rocketpacman said:

Well my point was that they got Halsey and Yamamato so it's hard for me to believe that other real commanders are beyond the pale whatever hurdles WG might have to leap through in order to use them. 

Much from the Imperial German Military is still frowned on in Germany, not to same legal levels as Nazi's, but it's probably a minefield that WG doesn't want to go through. A lot of French have no love for their own navy due to things that happened in WWII either.

If WG did an actual British Officer, the British would riot if he wasn't insanely overpowered.

For the United States and Japan, we're mostly over it, and China doesn't count, they run a different version of the client anyway.

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1 hour ago, Rocketpacman said:

Please use more historical commanders instead of these made up ones like Helmut Schiffman, Jean-Jacques Honore, and Jack Dunkirk. I understand that it's probably more difficult to use real people but if you can put Halsey and Yamamato in the game there is no excuse for not having real commanders for the other navies. In the case of the Germans if the Nazi stuff worries you then don't use Kriegsmarine commanders. The Kaiserliche Marine had plenty of great choices. Karl von Muller of the Emden would be a great and completely uncontroversial option for a unique German commander. 

This is an area where the game could really make use of history without having any impact on the game balance and right now the opportunity is just being wasted with these boring fictional officers. 

I agree

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59 minutes ago, Rocketpacman said:

Please use more historical commanders instead of these made up ones like Helmut Schiffman, Jean-Jacques Honore, and Jack Dunkirk.

Uh, Jack Dunkirk is historical. His portrait is based on William Tennant, the captain of HMS Repulse. @Sub_Octavian said they couldn't use his real name because of legal reasons.

Sir-William-George-Tennant.jpgea0323ca-6189-11e7-b024-ac162d8bc1e4.jpg

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I applaud the inclusion of an ahistorical German commander, (don't look if easily triggered)

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my only complaint (not a small one) is the persistent lack of ..., and representants of the world we live in today, rather than an unhealthy narrow and reductive idealization/fixation, one our ancestors fought to defeat.

I for one would love to see my German warships (of which I am, like many others, a great fan) open to a more varied typology of captains.

Also, we still lack 'special' captains with cv skills. It would have been nice if devs had remembered to giive Schiffman at least one skill relevant to the German CV. (Concealment, or AFT, for example) (prodding @Pigeon_of_War)

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3 minutes ago, Wolcott said:

Uh, Jack Dunkirk is historical. His portrait is based on William Tennant, the captain of HMS Repulse. @Sub_Octavian said they couldn't use his real name because of legal reasons.

Sir-William-George-Tennant.jpgea0323ca-6189-11e7-b024-ac162d8bc1e4.jpg

Didn't know that thanks. I assumed it wasn't Tennant because of the Jack part of the name and because of the whole Dunkirk tie-in I can see why they couldn't just pick another officer. That excuse doesn't hold for commanders like Schiffman or Honore though. 

12 minutes ago, SgtBeltfed said:

Much from the Imperial German Military is still frowned on in Germany, not to same legal levels as Nazi's, but it's probably a minefield that WG doesn't want to go through. A lot of French have no love for their own navy due to things that happened in WWII either.

If WG did an actual British Officer, the British would riot if he wasn't insanely overpowered.

For the United States and Japan, we're mostly over it, and China doesn't count, they run a different version of the client anyway.

People like Scheer and von Hipper sure. I can see how they could be considered controversial. Someone like von Muller though is simply in no way a controversial figure by any standard in Germany. Or anywhere else. 

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Way it looks like Wargaming is doing it, random names for "special" commanders like Dunkirk, Doe/Seagal and now Schiffman.  But "Elite" captains will be based on historical individuals like Halsey and Yamamoto.  The "elite" captains having a series of special skills based on in game awards like Confederate and High Caliber. 

Personally I'm still hoping for Germany to get Karl von Müller as the "elite" captain.

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43 minutes ago, Ju87s said:

Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1976-127-06A,_Karl

Karl Doenitz.  While AFAIK was never a member of the Nazi party, he was far too closely tied to the regime to be used in game.

Plus, he was a submarine officer...

 

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1 hour ago, Ace_04 said:

What, you mean John Doe wasn't a real captain? :Smile_amazed:

It should have been John Dough the Porn star LOL

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As often as I look at the names of my captains This is not a Problem to me.

You could place a Photo of Alfred E. Newman

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It would not be  noticed more than twice in my case.

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5 hours ago, SgtBeltfed said:

and China doesn't count

I got news for ya amigo; with 1.6 billion votes, China ALWAYS counts!

5 hours ago, vonKaiser said:

Personally I'm still hoping for Germany to get Karl von Müller as the "elite" captain.

My personal favorite German Captain of all time, and my personal request to be a German Captain in game, is Kapitanleutnant Felix Graf von Luckner:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_von_Luckner

The captain of the WW1 high seas raider Sea Adler, Graf von Luckner was responsible for the taking or sinking of 12 enemy ships during his command of the raider. What makes him my personal choice, however, was his success at making war on his enemies without casualties. Read about his exploits using the link above.

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1 hour ago, Umikami said:

I got news for ya amigo; with 1.6 billion votes, China ALWAYS counts!

Do they actually vote in China anyway, even for show?

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2 minutes ago, SgtBeltfed said:

Do they actually vote in China anyway, even for show?

Why of course they do ... for the only name on the ballot, the guy who was officially sanctioned by the party to run for that office.

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WG are planning on using commanders like Yamamato and Nimitz, as special commanders. One example is Yamamato himself, there was a campaign to earn him. 

edit: my pick for a German Commander would be Langsdorff.

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24 minutes ago, Sir_Orrin said:

WG are planning on using commanders like Yamamato and Nimitz, as special commanders. One example is Yamamato himself, there was a campaign to earn him. 

edit: my pick for a German Commander would be Langsdorff.

Just don't put him on the Graf Spee.

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