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Tired of getting wrecked by torps that come out of nowhere and taking ur fun out of the game? All that u want is just to relax while sailing ur mighty BB while dev striking cruisers? We from the DD mafia  family, can solve ur problem for just a small contribution!! It can be in form of flags, upgrades, premium consumables, etc. Just talk to ur DD representative in game. We can do TK as well if an Asashio is in our team, it is just a matter of price, everything is negotiable. Don´t fall for the cruiser cartel talk, we can do better. We have many gunboat ships ready to escort u, to smoke u, even to hydro for u. Everything to make ur wrecking cruiser experience more enjoyable. 

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Is it just me, or is anyone else getting the urge to watch The Godfather again?

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3 minutes ago, demeflac said:

Tired of getting wrecked by torps that come out of nowhere and taking ur fun out of the game? All that u want is just to relax while sailing ur mighty BB while dev striking cruisers? We from the DD mafia  family, can solve ur problem for just a small contribution!! It can be in form of flags, upgrades, premium consumables, etc. Just talk to ur DD representative in game. We can do TK as well if an Asashio is in our team, it is just a matter of price, everything is negotiable. Don´t fall for the cruiser cartel talk, we can do better. We have many gunboat ships ready to escort u, to smoke u, even to hydro for u. Everything to make ur wrecking cruiser experience more enjoyable. 

for your sake, you better be joking and make that clear before the Mods see that "we'll TK if this ship is on our team"

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11 minutes ago, demeflac said:

Tired of getting wrecked by torps that come out of nowhere and taking ur fun out of the game? All that u want is just to relax while sailing ur mighty BB while dev striking cruisers? We from the DD mafia  family, can solve ur problem for just a small contribution!! It can be in form of flags, upgrades, premium consumables, etc. Just talk to ur DD representative in game. We can do TK as well if an Asashio is in our team, it is just a matter of price, everything is negotiable. Don´t fall for the cruiser cartel talk, we can do better. We have many gunboat ships ready to escort u, to smoke u, even to hydro for u. Everything to make ur wrecking cruiser experience more enjoyable. 

As a member of the crusier "family" I can tell you that we offer more. We offer aa, radar, sonar, and somtimes smoke.

The dd just have spotting. What good is that!!!! We might be a bit more expensive but were 2 times as great!

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20 minutes ago, demeflac said:

Tired of getting wrecked by torps that come out of nowhere and taking ur fun out of the game? All that u want is just to relax while sailing ur mighty BB while dev striking cruisers? We from the DD mafia  family, can solve ur problem for just a small contribution!! It can be in form of flags, upgrades, premium consumables, etc. Just talk to ur DD representative in game. We can do TK as well if an Asashio is in our team, it is just a matter of price, everything is negotiable. Don´t fall for the cruiser cartel talk, we can do better. We have many gunboat ships ready to escort u, to smoke u, even to hydro for u. Everything to make ur wrecking cruiser experience more enjoyable. 

Any discounts for a fellow Lone Wolf ? :Smile_hiding:

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3 minutes ago, jags_domain said:

As a member of the crusier "family" I can tell you that we offer more. We offer aa, radar, sonar, and somtimes smoke.

The dd just have spotting. What good is that!!!! We might be a bit more expensive but were 2 times as great!

lol As someone who has most of the Tier 8's, mains BB's, but does fairly well in CA's/CL's and DD's, the Asashio has got to be a late April fools joke on BB's. Even trying to "hunt" it in a Benson proves laughable, not to mention a cruiser with "radar". lol Who needs radar when the torps get launched at the BB's well outside the scope of the range?

Ya, as I said in LWM's review thread, we are going to see a cycle of "flavor of the month" hard counter ships and this is the start. She argued that the Belfast was the first hard counter, but it wasn't... Belfast is a strong ship, not doubt, but what does it rely on? Smoke and concealment (but a "cruisers" concealment), and smoke is countered by radar, that coupled with its citadel gives it vulnerability beyond simple "bad play".

The Asashio on the other hand, well, the only weakness, "if played correctly", is the players own play, ie: mistakes.

If the numbers come back in a month or so and I'm wrong, I'll say I'm wrong. However, I'm just looking at the writing on the wall.

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CV yes the hated CV is the best answer. Yes the hated get reported when you log in, the people that are blamed for every loss and given to credit for a win is the best answer.

Goos thing WG is changing them. Lol

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1 hour ago, jags_domain said:

We offer aa, radar, sonar, and somtimes smoke.

All of it from the back of the map, behind the biggest island they can find!

53 minutes ago, BURN_Miner said:

However, I'm just looking at the writing on the wall.

 Yeah, but you shouldn't pay that much attention to something written in crayon!

First, what Belfast relies on is the combination of smoke, radar, and hydro; she needs that combo.

And Second, Asashio's ONLY weakness is that she's a turtle slow DD with torps that are only dangerous to about 1/3 to 1/2 of the team, she has garbage DD armor and the worst guns at her tier. Now how could THAT be a liability?

58 minutes ago, BURN_Miner said:

Who needs radar when the torps get launched at the BB's well outside the scope of the range?

No one uses radar to spot torps; they use hydro. Put an Asashio up against a Lo Yang ... GO CHINA!

56 minutes ago, jags_domain said:

CV yes the hated CV is the best answer. Yes the hated get reported when you log in, the people that are blamed for every loss and given to credit for a win is the best answer.

Goos thing WG is changing them. Lol

Where in Arkansas did you get your education; Jethro D Bodine Elementary in Clinton County?

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1 hour ago, UltimateNewbie said:

Is it just me, or is anyone else getting the urge to watch The Godfather again?

Then Godfather Pt. 2, then Goodfellas, then Scarface, then Donnie Brasco and finish up with My Cousin Vinnie.

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13 minutes ago, Umikami said:

No one uses radar to spot torps; they use hydro. Put an Asashio up against a Lo Yang ... GO CHINA!

I can attest to that! I have 2 easily acquired Asashio scalps courtesy of Lo.

14 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Where in Arkansas did you get your education; Jethro D Bodine Elementary in Clinton County?

Ah fine skul of larnin'! Ah gots me a de-plo-ma frum thar!

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Agh! Don't encourage the BBs to wipe out us cruisers! The last thing we need is a shred of teamwork on the reds!

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Seriously though, good post. +1

 

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2 minutes ago, ReddNekk said:

Ah fine skul of larnin'! Ah gots me a de-plo-ma frum thar!

But will that thar de-plo-ma git ya inta that thar Super Sekret Spy Skool? Ya'all know the one; fer dubble naught agents!

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If you don't want to pay the mafia for protection, you can use my approach. Just download and install the WASD hack (available from a hacker near you). Or play a MO, radar already included.

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1 hour ago, Umikami said:

All of it from the back of the map, behind the biggest island they can find!

 Yeah, but you shouldn't pay that much attention to something written in crayon!

First, what Belfast relies on is the combination of smoke, radar, and hydro; she needs that combo.

And Second, Asashio's ONLY weakness is that she's a turtle slow DD with torps that are only dangerous to about 1/3 to 1/2 of the team, she has garbage DD armor and the worst guns at her tier. Now how could THAT be a liability?

No one uses radar to spot torps; they use hydro. Put an Asashio up against a Lo Yang ... GO CHINA!

Where in Arkansas did you get your education; Jethro D Bodine Elementary in Clinton County?

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Where did I ever say that any ship or anyone uses "radar" to "spot" torps? lol

People use "radar" to "spot" the "ships" sitting in the "smoke".

The "Belfast" uses "smoke" as its strength....

The "Asashio" doesn't need smoke to launch its torps at its intended targets.

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1 hour ago, BURN_Miner said:

Ya, as I said in LWM's review thread, we are going to see a cycle of "flavor of the month" hard counter ships and this is the start. She argued that the Belfast was the first hard counter...

Its funny, WG puts out the Belfast, arguably one of the most OP ships in the game, to counter DDs.  In return DDs get Asashio that can only attack 1/3 of the main ship types, and can't really defend itself.  No double standard there.

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2 hours ago, demeflac said:

Tired of getting wrecked by torps that come out of nowhere and taking ur fun out of the game? All that u want is just to relax while sailing ur mighty BB while dev striking cruisers? We from the DD mafia  family, can solve ur problem for just a small contribution!! It can be in form of flags, upgrades, premium consumables, etc. Just talk to ur DD representative in game. We can do TK as well if an Asashio is in our team, it is just a matter of price, everything is negotiable. Don´t fall for the cruiser cartel talk, we can do better. We have many gunboat ships ready to escort u, to smoke u, even to hydro for u. Everything to make ur wrecking cruiser experience more enjoyable. 

Dude, you can use my sig picture if you want lol.............:Smile_teethhappy:

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4 minutes ago, Slimeball91 said:

Its funny, WG puts out the Belfast, arguably one of the most OP ships in the game, to counter DDs.  In return DDs get Asashio that can only attack 1/3 of the main ship types, and can't really defend itself.  No double standard there.

I think you are trying to inject a false motive into WGs actions. By removing the ship from the shop WG admitted that the ship was too powerful and a mistake. 

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2 hours ago, demeflac said:

Tired of getting wrecked by torps that come out of nowhere and taking ur fun out of the game? All that u want is just to relax while sailing ur mighty BB while dev striking cruisers? We from the DD mafia  family, can solve ur problem for just a small contribution!! It can be in form of flags, upgrades, premium consumables, etc. Just talk to ur DD representative in game. We can do TK as well if an Asashio is in our team, it is just a matter of price, everything is negotiable. Don´t fall for the cruiser cartel talk, we can do better. We have many gunboat ships ready to escort u, to smoke u, even to hydro for u. Everything to make ur wrecking cruiser experience more enjoyable. 

and AA escort (Kidd) for the GZ! 

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1 hour ago, Umikami said:

And Second, Asashio's ONLY weakness is that she's a turtle slow DD with torps that are only dangerous to about 1/3 to 1/2 of the team, she has garbage DD armor and the worst guns at her tier. Now how could THAT be a liability?

 

"Worst guns at her tier" are ... still not what I'd call terrible

Just sayin'.

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We CVs have an even better deal! Spotting, AA, torp spotting, instant nuking of all non-deletable ships to you (the ones we cannot attack are things like Minotaur and Des Moines, which are very squishy). We also provide torp spotting, and will spot any pesky Asashios, so that YOU can get revenge, we may charge slightly more than Cruisers, but with all the things that DDs and CA/CLs can provide and MORE (including, but not limited to TKs), it’s a real bargain! 

 

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Just now, Slimeball91 said:

Its funny, WG puts out the Belfast, arguably one of the most OP ships in the game, to counter DDs.  In return DDs get Asashio that can only attack 1/3 of the main ship types, and can't really defend itself.  No double standard there.

Hold up, lol, Belfast is no doubt a strong ship, but what is it's counter? BB's obviously, blind torps into smoke (its radar is only 8.49km - torps in that Tier range are 4km *sorry Tier 6 USSR* and 10km just going +1/-1 with most being around 9ish). I went +1/-1 just for grins and giggles, but could go +2/-2 and as we all know Tier 5 gets screwed, so that's a none point, but the torp ranges extend well beyond the 8.45km radar range and it becomes way less effective. In the same instance, it too is vulnerable to radar, even at a +1 Tier MM, though if Tiered up, it is even more vulnerable due to radar because the range at Tier 8 is greater than its own across the board. Fiji and Shchors are both non-premium ships that if played correctly, have high damage output, despite the "server average" win ratio's... Got to remember when comparing "win ratio's" of premium versus non-premium that premium's aren't used to level whereas non-premiums are.

However, the Asashio on the other hand, was specifically designed to be played a certain way, to kill BB's and CV's. To spot and when that is done, to cap and play defensive support. Defensive support meaning, using others as a meat shield.

Its concealment alone makes it extremely hard to find, it can launch its main weapon well outside of any radar (counter of the ship itself) and it's torps are extremely fast. If placed "correctly", a BB does not have time for "WASD" to kick in. I've played BB's long enough and even had the joy (I honestly enjoyed it) of knife fighting the old IJN's back when OBT was here. This is beyond that and as LWM pointed out, they already have "something" in the works to counter the Asashio.

This is something that concerned me when the news of this ship broke. A "true" hard counter to a ship type or two. Because in order to maintain game balance, they will need to introduce another "true" hard counter and then another and another, it won't end, as debated in the other thread. Good for business, bad for balance as it causes a "flavor of the month" syndrome.

If people honestly thought that the Belfast was a "hard counter" to DD's and didn't recognize its vulnerabilities as I mentioned above, then perhaps they may need to look at what a hard counter is.

As it sits, the only hard counter the Asashio has at the moment is the player playing it and any faults they may do during the match, oh and a bad match making. Other than that, if they "play the ship to its strengths" they should see what I am talking about and as others have posted SS's of their games.

 

If you want to call double standard, there first has to be a standard set. This here, is the standard being set.

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