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Today April 19th, 2018 Marks the 29th Anniversary of the USS Iowa explosion

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For me the dread day is here, I talked about this in a thread earlier last week. On April 19th, 1989 while conducting gunnery exercises off Puerto Rico, Turret two exploded at 9:53 AM. Today if you have an Iowa or Missouri sail them in remembrance of the 47 who died that day.

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I don't have the Iowa, but I will take the Missouri out for a match. Thank you for your service, and may those who lost their lives rest in peace.

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I do not have either of those ships ..yet. But I will play all of my US BB's tonight in remembrance of the 47. Semper Fi! :Smile_honoring:

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14 minutes ago, Panbun said:

I don't have the Iowa, but I will take the Missouri out for a match. Thank you for your service, and may those who lost their lives rest in peace.

 

4 minutes ago, USMCGal said:

I do not have either of those ships ..yet. But I will play all of my US BB's tonight in remembrance of the 47. Semper Fi! :Smile_honoring:

 

50 minutes ago, Belthorian said:

For me the dread day is here, I talked about this in a thread earlier last week. On April 19th, 1989 while conducting gunnery exercises off Puerto Rico, Turret two exploded at 9:53 AM. Today if you have an Iowa or Missouri sail them in remembrance of the 47 who died that day.

I also do not have the Iowa, but my Alabama will be used to remember these shipmates.:Smile_honoring:

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The Missouri and the North Carolina will sail in honor of Iowa's fallen today .

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As a major detail to the investigation, we were actually at war when this happened.

The ship needed to be kept combat-ready, so the damaged area was secured, cleaned up, painted over.

The cause was using incorrect powder bags with the selected projectiles.  They were trying to set a new record for the range of the main guns.  They were pushing the envelope.

The warnings were literally stamped on the sides of the bags and projectiles used.

--- and then it was blamed on one of the victims ---

The accused families wanted an investigation..  Hey..  ship at war..  all painted over.

Records were destroyed but depot inventory revealed what actually happened.  The Navy and FBI quietly took appropriate corrective action.

These are wonderful machines that can change the world...  but we don't always put the right people in charge.

My condolences to the victims.  As military men, we can be expected to give our lives for our country.  But this was different.

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My Missouri will be on the open sea as well. 

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I served in the RCN and had numerous exercises with the USN. I recall when the news of that reached us and we were all saddened by the loss of life. I'll be sure to sail my Missouri at some point today. :Smile_honoring:

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15 minutes ago, AVR_Project said:

As a major detail to the investigation, we were actually at war when this happened.

The ship needed to be kept combat-ready, so the damaged area was secured, cleaned up, painted over.

The cause was using incorrect powder bags with the selected projectiles.  They were trying to set a new record for the range of the main guns.  They were pushing the envelope.

The warnings were literally stamped on the sides of the bags and projectiles used.

--- and then it was blamed on one of the victims ---

The accused families wanted an investigation..  Hey..  ship at war..  all painted over.

Records were destroyed but depot inventory revealed what actually happened.  The Navy and FBI quietly took appropriate corrective action.

These are wonderful machines that can change the world...  but we don't always put the right people in charge.

My condolences to the victims.  As military men, we can be expected to give our lives for our country.  But this was different.

Pretty much everything you said is incorrect. First, we were not wat war. Second, we were not using incorrect powder bags, we were firing a reduced charge load. We were not trying to set a record, we did that a couple of months before. The accident was caused by an accidental over ram of the powder bags which caused them to explode with the breach still open. Please don't make up stuff about a subject you are not familiar with.

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2 hours ago, Belthorian said:

For me the dread day is here, I talked about this in a thread earlier last week. On April 19th, 1989 while conducting gunnery exercises off Puerto Rico, Turret two exploded at 9:53 AM. Today if you have an Iowa or Missouri sail them in remembrance of the 47 who died that day.

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USS Missouri is on alert-status 5 and prepared to set sail today.

#anchorsaweigh

#semperfidelis

#ussiowa

#ussmissouri

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1 hour ago, Belthorian said:

Pretty much everything you said is incorrect. First, we were not wat war. Second, we were not using incorrect powder bags, we were firing a reduced charge load. We were not trying to set a record, we did that a couple of months before. The accident was caused by an accidental over ram of the powder bags which caused them to explode with the breach still open. Please don't make up stuff about a subject you are not familiar with.

Well said, sir. Iowa was always leading the way with developments in 16" gunnery, but not on the 19th. What happened that morning was simply a tragic accident that could have happened to any one of the four. I again send my condolences...it was a dark day on the Big J when we got word of our fallen shipmates aboard Iowa.

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Though I may not have Iowa, my best buddy does. I will be sure to get him on today and take her out. I only have North Carolina, but it won't stop me from taking her out in remeberance of her bigger sister. 

God Bless those who served. For those who journeyed into the howling dark and did not return, your sacrifice enobled us all, and you shall not be forgotten. o7

My sincerest condolences to you Belthorian on this dark anniversary. We stand with you, Military and Civilian.

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2 hours ago, Belthorian said:

Pretty much everything you said is incorrect. First, we were not wat war. Second, we were not using incorrect powder bags, we were firing a reduced charge load. We were not trying to set a record, we did that a couple of months before. The accident was caused by an accidental over ram of the powder bags which caused them to explode with the breach still open. Please don't make up stuff about a subject you are not familiar with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

 

FACT:  The weapons tests were unauthorized.

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Just a preemptive strike here. There are many conflicting narratives regarding the incident, and we all are free to make our own interpretation of the official reports and those alternatives offered by journalists and witnesses. Please don't let disagreement over the cause of the explosion turn into personal attacks on other forum posters.  

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4 hours ago, Belthorian said:

For me the dread day is here, I talked about this in a thread earlier last week. On April 19th, 1989 while conducting gunnery exercises off Puerto Rico, Turret two exploded at 9:53 AM. Today if you have an Iowa or Missouri sail them in remembrance of the 47 who died that day.

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They really need to have a different emogi upvote than "cool" .  They need one that just is a sign of support. There was nothing cool about that training accident, but I do like your mention of the event anniversary.

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2 hours ago, Belthorian said:

Pretty much everything you said is incorrect. First, we were not wat war. Second, we were not using incorrect powder bags, we were firing a reduced charge load. We were not trying to set a record, we did that a couple of months before. The accident was caused by an accidental over ram of the powder bags which caused them to explode with the breach still open. Please don't make up stuff about a subject you are not familiar with.

It continues to burn me up how the US Navy slandered Clayton Hartwig as doing this because of some (depressed gay lover suicide via a "hair cream bomb") cow dung, when in fact he had been just resigned to being an Embassy Guard in Moscow ( a coveted prestigious and gravy job) and a sure step to higher things, for being an excellent sailor with a good record of performance . His reassignment ,as I understand it, was why they  had  green sailor with no experience at all in operating the ammo ram instead of  Hartwig himself who had much experience doing so. 

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22 minutes ago, AVR_Project said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

 

FACT:  The weapons tests were unauthorized.

I wouldnt exactly trust wikipedia when given the opportunity to actually converse with someone that not only served on Iowa, but was there when the event took place. Just sayin. lots of things have been said by those in the know, and those that simply like to speculate. Regardless, the important thing is we are short 47 shipmates... the why, or the what is relatively  unimportant.

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I took Iowa out in Randoms just now; here's the results of my first voyage in her that wasn't a Co-op match:

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Just now, LT_Rusty_SWO said:

FACT: You're using wikipedia to argue this against a guy who was actually present and has first-hand knowledge.

The morbidly humorous irony surrounding the whole argument here is that Wikipedia will not, and indeed cannot, actually take into account the testimony of a guy who was there and personally knew a number of the men involved. Something to do with their policies surrounding their inability to verify whether or not anyone is any kind of expert in their field, or are in fact who they say they are.

In other words, everyone who is saying that Wikipedia should not be fully trusted in this matter is absolutely spot on.

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20 minutes ago, BBsquid said:

I wouldnt exactly trust wikipedia when given the opportunity to actually converse with someone that not only served on Iowa, but was there when the event took place. Just sayin. lots of things have been said by those in the know, and those that simply like to speculate. Regardless, the important thing is we are short 47 shipmates... the why, or the what is relatively  unimportant.

Having served in the Air Force, my last assignment on a Navy base (still have my Comrats card), I know the framework and mentality of those days.

I am not demeaning their loss.  I am not unpatriotic.  However, it serves no justice to allow the waste of the lives of these men for meaningless purposes.

These tests would be best done on a shore-based platform, where safety could be managed.  In fact, nowadays, they would simply not be permitted.

Their deaths are not in vain.  Despite the Navy culture to silence the critics, the word got out. 

If any of you have children in the service, you can be thankful that this reckless disregard for safety has been corrected.

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23 minutes ago, AVR_Project said:

Having served in the Air Force, my last assignment on a Navy base (still have my Comrats card), I know the framework and mentality of those days.

I am not demeaning their loss.  I am not unpatriotic.  However, it serves no justice to allow the waste of the lives of these men for meaningless purposes.

These tests would be best done on a shore-based platform, where safety could be managed.  In fact, nowadays, they would simply not be permitted.

Their deaths are not in vain.  Despite the Navy culture to silence the critics, the word got out. 

If any of you have children in the service, you can be thankful that this reckless disregard for safety has been corrected.

 

Dude. They weren't conducting tests at the time.

The extended range stuff was extensively worked up in a shore facility and had conducted a fully authorized and instrumented test at sea several days before. They were not doing anything wrong or out of the ordinary that day.

This was going to happen to one of the battleships eventually, it just happened to IOWA first.

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Gentlemen and ladies,

 

The whys and hows of the incident are long past the point of argument. An accident happened on the Iowa that cost forty-seven sailors their lives. Whether you agree with what Wikipedia has allowed to be posted or not, that doesn't change the point that the loss happened, and those men died doing their duty.

 

Honor the loss of shipmates and of their families, and remember them. That is all anyone here can do.

 

 

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