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The Terror, tale of the Franklin expedition

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the AMC channel is showing a British show about the Franklin expedition. It is the story about two ships, HMS Terror and HMS Erebus, that went looking for the NorthWest passage and disappeared in 1848. The ship were discovered in 2014 and 2016 off King William island in Nunavut. You can read about it on Parks Canada website https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/culture/franklin/

 

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It's an awful show. Their explanation for why the Franklin expedition failed isn't Franklin's pig-headed incompetence, his utter inability to learn from the Inuit, and lead poisoning from improperly canned foods, but rather some mystical Inuit spirit monster. It is one of the most insulting things I have ever seen in a story that should only ever be told as a cautionary tale with the moral "when in Rome, do as the Romans do."

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My son will be guiding vistors on the site of the wrecks in zodiac and kayak excursions while working this summer on the first commercial cruise ice-capable ship authorized in that zone of the Arctic by Transport Canada and Heritage Canada, weather and ice conditions permitting of course. The wrecks would never have been found except for a thorough investigation and search based almost entirely on the Inuit tradition of oral history past down through the generations since the Franklin Expedition disappeared.

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at that time they did not know, they were getting lead poisoning. It was that attitude of Europeans at that time period, that other races, were inferior. It is is one of the reasons, why they went to conquer and colonized other countries. Like the country you are living in now.

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4 hours ago, GrandAdmiral_2016 said:

My son will be guiding vistors on the site of the wrecks in zodiac and kayak excursions while working this summer on the first commercial cruise ice-capable ship authorized in that zone of the Arctic by Transport Canada and Heritage Canada, weather and ice conditions permitting of course. The wrecks would never have been found except for a thorough investigation and search based almost entirely on the Inuit tradition of oral history past down through the generations since the Franklin Expedition disappeared.

Oh wow, sounds like he will have a pretty cool experience this summer.

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On 4/15/2018 at 9:27 AM, Timo_Greenwold said:

the AMC channel is showing a British show about the Franklin expedition. It is the story about two ships, HMS Terror and HMS Erebus, that went looking for the NorthWest passage and disappeared in 1848. The ship were discovered in 2014 and 2016 off King William island in Nunavut. You can read about it on Parks Canada website https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/culture/franklin/

 

Nice. Interesting info about something I only had the briefest knowledge of. Thanks.

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The silly part of this show, is the crew being hunted by a man polar bear.

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On 4/15/2018 at 7:57 AM, 1Sherman said:

It's an awful show. Their explanation for why the Franklin expedition failed isn't Franklin's pig-headed incompetence, his utter inability to learn from the Inuit, and lead poisoning from improperly canned foods, but rather some mystical Inuit spirit monster. It is one of the most insulting things I have ever seen in a story that should only ever be told as a cautionary tale with the moral "when in Rome, do as the Romans do."

To be fair, the AMC show is actually based off of an award-winning novel - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terror_(novel).

Also, there was actually an Erebus and Terror that fought in both World Wars: both of them were giant-gunned monitors :cap_cool:.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erebus-class_monitor

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1 hour ago, Battlecruiser_Yavuz said:

To be fair, the AMC show is actually based off of an award-winning novel - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terror_(novel).

Also, there was actually an Erebus and Terror that fought in both World Wars: both of them were giant-gunned monitors :cap_cool:.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erebus-class_monitor

The people who gave that book awards must have been brain-damaged.

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On 4/15/2018 at 1:31 PM, Timo_Greenwold said:

at that time they did not know, they were getting lead poisoning. It was that attitude of Europeans at that time period, that other races, were inferior. It is is one of the reasons, why they went to conquer and colonized other countries. Like the country you are living in now.

LOL It wasn't just the Europeans, it has been the nature of the strong to dominate the weak. Every civilization on the planet is built on the bones of those who were there first. Even the precious "native americans" conquered and absorbed lesser peoples. War, conquest, domination of nature, etc, is hardly specific to Europe. If mankind all "went back to where we came from" we would all be living on the African continent. Really depends on how far we go back in time though doesn't it?

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22 hours ago, 1Sherman said:

The people who gave that book awards must have been brain-damaged.

If anything, it's a fictionalized version of a real-life event...no different than sci-fi or other such fictional works.

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2 hours ago, Battlecruiser_Yavuz said:

If anything, it's a fictionalized version of a real-life event...no different than sci-fi or other such fictional works.

Difference is that The Terror doesn't just meddle with real-life events, it takes a dump on one of the most important stories in Canadian history, a story that teaches an extremely valuable lesson and is tied very closely to our sense of identity. Case in point: Stan Rogers here.

 

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56 minutes ago, 1Sherman said:

Difference is that The Terror doesn't just meddle with real-life events, it takes a dump on one of the most important stories in Canadian history, a story that teaches an extremely valuable lesson and is tied very closely to our sense of identity. Case in point: Stan Rogers here.

 

Fair point.

I kind of compare it to Amelia Earhart actually being taken by aliens instead of going missing...according to Star Trek Voyager.

 

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9 hours ago, Battlecruiser_Yavuz said:

Fair point.

I kind of compare it to Amelia Earhart actually being taken by aliens instead of going missing...according to Star Trek Voyager.

 

 

One of the reasons why Voyager was a subpar Star Trek TV series.

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8 hours ago, 1Sherman said:

 

One of the reasons why Voyager was a subpar Star Trek TV series.

Eh...or like Picard talking with Mark Twain :cap_book:

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3 hours ago, Battlecruiser_Yavuz said:

Eh...or like Picard talking with Mark Twain :cap_book:

That I can understand because they can do that on the holodeck, like this scene.

 

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2 hours ago, 1Sherman said:

That I can understand because they can do that on the holodeck, like this scene.

 

Oh!  The crew met the real Mark Twain in Time's Arrow - not a hologram.  They were searching for an alien that was terrorizing Twain's time.

 

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10 hours ago, Battlecruiser_Yavuz said:

Oh!  The crew met the real Mark Twain in Time's Arrow - not a hologram.  They were searching for an alien that was terrorizing Twain's time.

 

Honestly, the only time I really thought time travel worked well in Star Trek was in First Contact.

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