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I love this ship, tier VII, her performance, far better than I do on most of my BBs and I play them all - 112 battles @ 61% WR. Very high for me.

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World War 1 (1914-1918) spurred many-a-nation to bulk up their naval power and this included the Japanese Empire. A major ship-building program ensued which sought to provide the fleet with a strong collection of battleship and cruiser types heading into the next decade. The Dreadnought battleship, brought about by the British commissioning of HMS Dreadnought in 1906, was still the warship of the day and to this standard was applied to the new Japanese battleships to come. However, the Japanese plan was derailed some following the end of the war in 1918 for, in 1922, the Washington Naval Treaty was signed to help limit a potential new arms race through warship design restrictions. Japan served as one of the cosigners, joining the United States, Britain, and France among others. This ultimately meant that only two of the proposed batch of new warships would be completed - these becoming IJN Nagato and IJN Mutsu of the two-strong Nagato-class.

IJN Nagato was laid down on November 15th, 1920 by the Kure Naval Arsenal and launched on November 9th, 1919 - her namesake being the Nagato Province in Southwest Japan. The vessel was formally commissioned on November 25th, 1920 to begin a career that would last until the end of World War 2 (1939-1945) though her sister would meet her fate in June of 1943.

As built, Nagato displaced 32,720 tons (standard) and held a length of 708 feet, a beam of 95.2 feet, and a draught of 29.8 feet. Her machinery was made up of 21 x water-tube boilers feeding 4 x steam turbines driving 4 x shafts at 80,000 horsepower output. Maximum speed was 26.5 knots with a range out to 6,300 miles. Twin smoke funnels made up her profile as did a forward and aft mast structure. Armor ranged from 305mm thickness at the belt to 369mm at the conning tower. Her standard crew arrangement numbered 1,333 personnel. A single launching catapult was carried to support up to three floatplane aircraft for over-the-reconnaissance work and limited aerial bombing duties.

Armament was made up of 8 x 16" (410mm) guns set across four primary turrets - tow held fore and two held aft. The installation of 16" guns on this warship (and her sister) were the largest main guns ever fitted to a capital ship. 20 x 140mm Dual-Purpose (DP) guns made up the secondary armament and these were fitted as single-gunned turrets. 4 x 76mm guns in single-gunned mounts made up the Anti-Aircraft (AA) armament arrangement. As was the case with most surface ships of the period, Nagato also carried torpedo armament through 8 x 533mm (21") tubes.

All told, Nagato - and her sister ship Mutsu - outclassed all other vessels of the day when they were formally commissioned in the early 1920s, making them some of the more powerful naval assets to available to any one country. They possessed the perfect blend of speed, armor, and firepower to make them immediately noticeable on the world stage. One of her first commitments was as flagship of the 1st Battleship Division and, following the Great Kanto earthquake of 1923, she served in the humanitarian role. In the middle of the decade, some of her design was modernized to keep the warship a viable instrument of war with the changing times (Japanese engineering prowess was also advancing during this particular period). In the early 1930s, her AA defense network was reworked for the better and, from the period of 1934 to 1936, the vessel was given much more major attention: her hull was widened to provide for better sea keeping, she lost her forward smoke funnel, and the forward mast was integrated to the new pagoda-style bridge arrangement. Beyond obvious changes to her profile, she was also the recipient of additional armor protection though this at the expense of speed. The loss of speed was mitigated some by the installation of new boiler units though her turbines remained unchanged from their original fittings. All of the changes led to an increase in displacement of the vessel - though by World War 2, the Washington Naval Treaty was hardly honored let along enforceable.

With the work completed, Nagato formed up with the 1st Battleship Division as part of the 1st Fleet and went on to support government forces in Tokyo Bay during a limited, Army-led coup during February 1936. She then supported Army forces during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945) and this preceded a period of gunnery training. She was promoted to flagship of the Combined Fleet in December of 1938 and took part in the October 1940 celebrations marking the 2,600th anniversary of Emperor Jimmu's (711 BC - 585 BC) enthronement.

In December of 1941, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (1884-1943) used Nagato as his flagship during the Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii (December 7th, 1941). The attack was an attempt to destroy the American Pacific Fleet and provide freer range of Japanese elements throughout the Pacific Theater. Despite the stellar success of the attack, the operation was a failure in that the American carriers were out of harbor at the time. The Japanese Navy claimed several enemy warships, support ships, aircraft, and depots in the assault but little else.

IJN Nagato was brought back to the Kure Naval Yard from March to April 1942 and underwent a needed refit. Her next call to action was during the Battle of Midway (June 1942) as part of Battleship Division One, serving alongside the storied IJN Yamato. The battle was disastrous for the Japanese as four aircraft carriers were sunk to the enemy's one and 248 aircraft lost to the American's 150. The battle claimed the lives of 3,057 Japanese to the American total of 307. Nagato was then transferred to Battleship Division 2 and served as flagship of the 1st Fleet. In August of 1942, Nagato supported the Solomon Islands campaign and another period of training followed which led her into 1943.

Much of her service in 1943 was in the southwest Pacific region and revealed little action. She arrived near Singapore in February of 1944 and again served as flagship until May. She saw a refit around this time and was sent to Tawitawi for May 12th as part of the 1st Mobile Fleet. Her next call to action was as escort during the Battle of the Philippine Sea (June 1944). Again, the results were contrary to Japanese hopes as the Americans claimed another decisive victory. The air portion of the battle came to be known as the "Great Marianas Turkey Shoot" for some 550 to 645 Japanese planes were downed. Three more Japanese carriers were sunk and nearly 3,000 men perished in the fighting.

Nagato made her way to Kure where she was fitted with new radar and improved AA facilities. She took an infantry division to help strengthen Okinawa for July and, during the Battle of Leyte Gulf, served with Admiral Takeo Kurita's strike force to head off American amphibious landings in the Philippines Campaign. Her commitment ended in October.

On October 24th, Nagato came under fire from American dive bombers which left her severely damaged. Temporary repairs took hold and allowed her to see action off of Samar (October 25th 1945) where she served alongside IJN Yamato once more. The battle proved another American victory.

IJN Nagato was the unfortunate recipient of more American bombs which damaged her only lightly but forced her into retreat with other Japanese naval forces. On November 15th, she was made part of Battleship Division 3, 2nd Fleet and left for Kure shortly thereafter. She arrived at Yokosuka on November 25 for much-needed repair work. However, materials were in such short supply that the vessel was retained as a floating Anti-Aircraft platform to counter the increasing threat of American aircraft over the Japanese mainland. For her new role, she was heavily modified as many of her obstructions were removed and more AA guns added. She came under reserve status on April 20th, 1945.

Her last notable action in the conflict occurred during June when she was assailed by American warplanes. Though damaged, she survived and sat where she was attacked until the end of the war on August 15th. The vessel was then claimed by the Allies a few weeks later and her name struck from the Naval Register on September 15th - this ending her formal service to the Japanese Navy. Once in American hands, the warship stood as part of the nuclear weapons testing (Operation Crossroads) at the Bikini Atoll in 1946. She was sunk as a target on July 25th, 1946.

from: https://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=ijn-nagato-battleship

 

Feel free to share Nagato stories. Here's one good battle in her:

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Nagato in her premium camo:

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I also enjoy the nagato with nice accurate hard hitting guns at range. 

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Nothing comes close to Gniessau or Lyon... Shes not unpleasant though:Smile-_tongue:

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6 minutes ago, IWantedOption1 said:

Nothing comes close to Gniessau or Lyon... Shes not unpleasant though:Smile-_tongue:

Scharnhorst is better...but not currently available. IMO...better.  Subjective.

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2 minutes ago, dmckay said:

Scharnhorst is better...but not currently available. IMO...better.  Subjective.

I have Scarn. I would agree, only because of the triple gun turrets. Was taking more of a tech tree aproach though. Havent played it but I think Nelson is up there too

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24 minutes ago, IWantedOption1 said:

I have Scarn. I would agree, only because of the triple gun turrets. Was taking more of a tech tree aproach though. Havent played it but I think Nelson is up there too

Ya. Not on the tech tree but one hell of a killer. If Scharn comes up for sale...buy her. My golly what a knife fighter. Guns, torps, secondaries. I have lost few fights with her against other BBs when I get to 5K with her.....and I am very average...above average in her.  Carry on mate.

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36 minutes ago, Stauffenberg44 said:

je suis d'accord. Love the Lyon.

Lyon reminds me of a French Fuso.  I like both of them a lot.

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32 minutes ago, delp5117 said:

Lyon reminds me of a French Fuso.  I like both of them a lot.

You just like lots of guns going off. Sounds and smells like victory!

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2 hours ago, Stauffenberg44 said:

You just like lots of guns going off. Sounds and smells like victory!

Best way to defeat dispersion (and hapless cruisers)!

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Had her during the Beta, I'm about 2/3s of the way through my Fuso to get her back. Can't wait to sail this beautiful ship again.

Edit: I've got my Nagato back! ...and I'm underwhelmed. Granted, she's stock, but it feels like power creep has not been kind to the old girl. The guns feel like they take FOREVER to reload, though they do pack a big punch. In fact she feels really slow in general. 25 knots with top engine? Really? That's barely better than a Fuso. "Decent speed" is listed as one of her pros, but the only thing poor Nagato can outrun at her tier is a Nelson (barely) or Colorado! Hoping this gets better as I find my grove with her.

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With 570 battles under my belt with her, Nagato is my go-to ship and basically old reliable to me. She was also the first and only ship I actually bought a premium camo for. Many see her as the 2nd worst T7 BB in general right behind Colorado (if stat-tracking sites are anything to go by) but I manage to make her work.

She may have 4 less rifles than Fuso and a much longer reload time, but they're rewarding to use if you can actually score critical hits.

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On 4/6/2018 at 6:37 PM, _1204_ said:

Nothing comes close to Gniessau or Lyon... Shes not unpleasant though:Smile-_tongue:

I almost fell into that trap while grinding Gneis. She in no way other than torpedoes compares to Nagato. You can argue AA and you would be right but that is situational at best and negatable with some anti cv tactics.

And Lyon. I can honestly say I have never played her or against her in a Nagato. That being said Lyon is the t7 BB I disrespect the most in game. She folds to 6" AP, so I don't see having a problem facing her in Nagato. 

The only BBs that might dethrone Nagato in the RN ones. 

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3 hours ago, StoneRhino said:

I almost fell into that trap while grinding Gneis. She in no way other than torpedoes compares to Nagato. You can argue AA and you would be right but that is situational at best and negatable with some anti cv tactics.

And Lyon. I can honestly say I have never played her or against her in a Nagato. That being said Lyon is the t7 BB I disrespect the most in game. She folds to 6" AP, so I don't see having a problem facing her in Nagato. 

The only BBs that might dethrone Nagato in the RN ones. 

Nagato has nothing on the Gnies, other than maybe gun caliber, but even that works against her when brawling cruisers. The thing about the Lyon is the 16 gun broadside. No other BB even comes close to that. But hey, to each their own. I have had plenty of awesome Nagato games

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I found the Nagato to be much more reliable than the Gneisenau's main gun inaccuracy and more enjoyable than the Colorado's slow speed.

I can't seem to get motivated to play the British BBs. I haven't played the Lyon yet so we'll see how she is soon.

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1 hour ago, _1204_ said:

Nagato has nothing on the Gnies, other than maybe gun caliber, but even that works against her when brawling cruisers. The thing about the Lyon is the 16 gun broadside. No other BB even comes close to that. But hey, to each their own. I have had plenty of awesome Nagato games

Lazy armor, bad main batteries and secondaries doesn't make for a great BB. Without her torpedoes Gneis would have no way to threaten a Nagato. 

Gneis is fun to play don't get me wrong she just gets worked over facing real BBs

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Just now, StoneRhino said:

Lazy armor, bad main batteries and secondaries doesn't make for a great BB. Without her torpedoes Gneis would have no way to threaten a Nagato. 

Gneis is fun to play don't get me wrong she just gets worked over facing real BBs

Not up close she doesnt


Also since we are praising Nagato, just today I scored 2 cits (and a few pens) in her within the first 3 minutes of the game from about 20km away. Easiest 30k damage ever

 

(Does it cancel out if the cits were on an enemy Nagato?)

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25 minutes ago, _1204_ said:

Not up close she doesnt


Also since we are praising Nagato, just today I scored 2 cits (and a few pens) in her within the first 3 minutes of the game from about 20km away. Easiest 30k damage ever

 

(Does it cancel out if the cits were on an enemy Nagato?)

My first BB deletion was in a Nagato against a Nagato. It still counts lol.

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Up close where Gneis main batteries become good Nagato will punch through her upper hull for multi pen salvos. Not as good as cits but will peel off huge chunks of hp. Unless the Nagato exposes itself, she will out damage the Gneis. Add in a little Myogi shufle to limit exposure and it becomes Nagato's fight to lose.

 

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Yeah nagato is pretty cool, first ship Ive saved.

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I just recently got the nagoto  and love it .   I have to agree with what was said,  love the ship

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Nagato is a great ship (once out of stock)! Decent speed, reasonably decent armor, very good health pool ... and absolutely without a doubt the best guns at tier 7. Very punchy and accurate. Then again, I'm a total fanboy of the upgraded 420s on Nagato (not Mutsu!), Amagi (not Ashitaka!), and Kii.

That being said, tier 7 has a ton of really good battleships.

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OK.. so What the HECK... How do you hit anything with the Nagato?  Close, far, midrange, angled forward, angled backward, I cannot get this boat to hit crap usually.  If I'm really lucky I'll get 2-3 hits out of a Salvo,  I got into a semi brawling situation about 3k apart both broadside and still only got 3 hits out of the full salvo.. I tried aiming at waterline and at the deck line.. zip nil nada makes not much difference

Heck with the guns it should not matter where I aim..  

I got rid of it once because I got so frustrated, but bought it back so I could get to Amagi and so far am struggling again..

I do have the aiming systems mod 1 on it.   can't remember what Capt, at least a 10.

I loved the Fuso but just got rid of her as i needed some credits for another work up.

Thoughts suggestions  OR  is 2-3 hits in a Salvo the norm?

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2 hours ago, S16_Hunter said:

OK.. so What the HECK... How do you hit anything with the Nagato?  Close, far, midrange, angled forward, angled backward, I cannot get this boat to hit crap usually.  If I'm really lucky I'll get 2-3 hits out of a Salvo,  I got into a semi brawling situation about 3k apart both broadside and still only got 3 hits out of the full salvo.. I tried aiming at waterline and at the deck line.. zip nil nada makes not much difference

Heck with the guns it should not matter where I aim..  

I got rid of it once because I got so frustrated, but bought it back so I could get to Amagi and so far am struggling again..

I do have the aiming systems mod 1 on it.   can't remember what Capt, at least a 10.

I loved the Fuso but just got rid of her as i needed some credits for another work up.

Thoughts suggestions  OR  is 2-3 hits in a Salvo the norm?

Nagato both rewards good and punishes bad aim.

The groupings are too tight. Which means the game will increase your dispersion if your aim is even off a little bit. 

Don't get me wrong, because vertical dispersion can still screw up good aim. However if you are constantly bad groupings check your aim.

Take a shot at a target and take a screen shot just before impact. Do this multiple times.  For later reference material.

Then load up a training room with the same target. Sail to about the same distance. Aim center mass then press "x" to deselect the target. Take sseveral shots and take screen shots. 

Select the target and repeat.

Review the Training room screen shots, you should notice that horizontal dispersion is worse when the target is not select. 

compare these to your in game screen shots. If your dispersion looks consistent with the deselect target groupings; than it is your aim. 

The game has a mechanic that increases your dispersion if it thinks you took a bad shot. This is not to punish the shooter but instead increases the likelyhood of a hit or two. 

Sometimes rngesus will just screw you but hey that's part of the fun.

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in a game tonight, i fired 133 rounds.. 33 hit.  distances were scattered between about 10k to 19k .. Granted some of these were Lead issues ending up to far behind or out in front, but usually out of 8 rounds when i hit i got 1.. maybe 2.. Hipper took 3 i think.

By the way how does a 410mm shell bounce off any armor?  

I fired from every possible angle i could have fired from. Tried water line, half way up, deck line you name it.. I fired at dead stop, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 full speed. Nothing worked.

Actually the reason for how i was shooting was that i was running from a NC and Bismark and a Cruiser .. so..  Did kill a hipper with about half health, going away shot, i think 3 of the 8 hit. 

I'll try a training room see what happens..  but when you have a broadside Bismark at 12k, one would think you could hit him with more then 1 rounds out of 8. 

either that or it's a "message from the game" - "the Nagato is not for you"

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11 hours ago, S16_Hunter said:

in a game tonight, i fired 133 rounds.. 33 hit.  distances were scattered between about 10k to 19k .. Granted some of these were Lead issues ending up to far behind or out in front, but usually out of 8 rounds when i hit i got 1.. maybe 2.. Hipper took 3 i think.

By the way how does a 410mm shell bounce off any armor?  

I fired from every possible angle i could have fired from. Tried water line, half way up, deck line you name it.. I fired at dead stop, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 full speed. Nothing worked.

Actually the reason for how i was shooting was that i was running from a NC and Bismark and a Cruiser .. so..  Did kill a hipper with about half health, going away shot, i think 3 of the 8 hit. 

I'll try a training room see what happens..  but when you have a broadside Bismark at 12k, one would think you could hit him with more then 1 rounds out of 8. 

either that or it's a "message from the game" - "the Nagato is not for you"

Have you considered enabling replays? 

https://na.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/articles/128/

If you have replay files, you can attach a replay file in here and we can take a look at what you're doing and offer feedback. Right now, without more info, it's hard for us to tell.

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