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5 hours ago, BullpupWOT said:

It doesn't take long at all to go from St Loius to Cleveland...if you can put in a week to 10 days of 1-2 hours a day, you will easily reach the Cleveland (assuming a premium account). 

This doesnt account for the fact that both Pheonix and Omaha are utter trash... even in coop they are so bad as to be trash. Expect to lose lots of games.

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Dear OP,

 

You have plenty of time to grind to the Cleveland and upgrade her.  If you do that, you'll get both a tier 6 in the old CA line and tier 8 in the new CL line.  If you find yourself the day before the patch with more XP to grind, then use it.  Otherwise, just play your way to tier 6.  It takes like 30 games to go from 3 to 6.  Maybe 50 if you don't have premium. 

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Just now, Pope_Shizzle said:

Dear OP,

 

You have plenty of time to grind to the Cleveland and upgrade her.  If you do that, you'll get both a tier 6 in the old CA line and tier 8 in the new CL line.  If you find yourself the day before the patch with more XP to grind, then use it.  Otherwise, just play your way to tier 6.  It takes like 30 games to go from 3 to 6.  Maybe 50 if you don't have premium. 

This is exactly my plan - grind as far as I can before the split drops, then spend FXP if I need to in the knowledge that it will be free XP very well spent.

Once this has been achieved, I can chill - between the Cleveland and my existing British cruisers (I have everything from Emerald to Edinburgh), I'll have all the light cruisers I need and can climb the US Heavy line at leisure.

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3 hours ago, Wardog_Noir said:

To the Op, I can only say you don't want to do this.  Normally jumping from tier 3 to tier 8 game play is a terrible idea, 

Stop being a kill-joy.  Only took me two years to recover....

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I say get Cleveland as fast as humanly possible. Free XP it if you can, because it is the rare case where any painful lessons you may have missed skipping the Phoenix and Omaha will be quickly taught with significantly less frustration in the many tier 6 Operations available. That game mode is a rewards generating trainer that all new tier 6 owners should utilize. You’ll learn to drive and shoot, if nothing else, and even have some fun in the process. When the line splits, you’ll get that tier 8 CL and the tier 6 CA and have plenty of XP to invest in the new tier seven. I see no point in blowing free XP any further up the CA line as you will need to learn the hard way up to Des Moines. ie. Grind the Line, baby.

 

ps. I’m not saying ops are a substitute for random gameplay experience, only it’s a good place to learn the ship, and earn rewards before or concurrent with random gameplay. The operations tool is what makes tier jumping viable in this particular instance.

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1 hour ago, Kconvey_1 said:

This doesnt account for the fact that both Pheonix and Omaha are utter trash... even in coop they are so bad as to be trash. Expect to lose lots of games.

they are both still very good if you know how to play, but they are also very unforgiving to a mistake. (or newer player)         but this is the case for most of cruisers.  

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I am really hoping the heavy CA line won't have the same lofty shell mechanics, god I hate that.

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15 minutes ago, centarina said:

they are both still very good if you know how to play, but they are also very unforgiving to a mistake. (or newer player)         but this is the case for most of cruisers.  

Brilliant lets put ships that are bad for new players in tier 4.. which has.... guess what.. new players.... BRILLIANT!

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35 minutes ago, centarina said:

but they are also very unforgiving to a mistake. (or newer player)         but this is the case for most of cruisers.  

What I see most often with these two is bad positioning... broadside a lot of the time.... or they're approaching you bow on but think better so they turn hard to port, right in front of you just 14km away. So easy to delete them with a BB, so easy. 

You get someone who knows what they're doing in either of them; they can be a real pain to fight. But then I suppose that's true of most ships in this game.

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Progress report - done with the St Louis, on to the Phoenix.

Tomorrow night's task - grind out at least the first hull upgrade, and get the better guns if I can (unless you think it is a better idea to go for the final hull upgrade in the first instance).

The Omaha beckons...

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2 hours ago, Kconvey_1 said:

Brilliant lets put ships that are bad for new players in tier 4.. which has.... guess what.. new players.... BRILLIANT!

all the cruisers from t4 and up are unforgiving.  why  BB  line start at t3.         BBs are most forgiving type.         otherwise, stay at t3 until you win at least 55% of your matches solo or move to BB line.

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For Phoenix, the final hull gets you more guns 6 - 8 - and finally 10 guns.   Six is anemic, 8 is better.  Then better guns, 10 guns, and extra range is the way I upgraded my Phoenix

 

For Omaha, the final hull gets you better AA, but you lose 2 guns and 2 torpedo launchers.  CVs are hit and miss, so I gave up the AA and stayed with the B hull during my Omaha grind.

 

I play Phoenix and Omaha like an oversized gunboat DD that doesn't have smoke, don't ever sail in a straight line for very long.  Otherwise you'll be very predictable and people will land hits on you.

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regardless of what ships you have, on the new line you only going to get cleveland right? everyone has to grind or freexp to get the seattle after the split?

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also since NO is pita to grind, my plan is to buy NO before split, but don't grind it, then after split i should have baltimore instead, and baltimore is supposed to be an easier grind at t8 if i want to go up CA line

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6 hours ago, Kconvey_1 said:

This doesnt account for the fact that both Pheonix and Omaha are utter trash... even in coop they are so bad as to be trash. Expect to lose lots of games.

Loved both the US cruisers, the Phoenix at tier IV and the Omaha at tier V. They are not bad ships, but don't expect to play them like BBs. That is the mistake that most new players make. That being said, from my experience, the Russian cruiser, Svietlana, is a little better than the Phoenix at tier IV while the French cruiser, the Duguay-Trouin, tops both the US and Russian tier IV cruisers. The French cruiser, Émile Bertin, is better than the Omaha and one of the best non-premium cruisers at tier V.

And to anyone reading this thread, I recommend getting a Cleveland. It is a very fun ship to play at tier VI and it is especially useful if you play the scenario battles currently. Plus, you will get a tier VIII Cleveland and then a tier VI Pensacola at the US cruiser split in hopefully a few months.

While I do prefer the UK Leander at tier VI to the Cleveland as far as cruisers... the Leander is just such a fun ship to play, I still prefer the Cleveland to all the other non-premium tier VI cruisers including the Russian Budyonny. I still find myself taking out the Cleveland at least once day in WoWs if not more after 2 and 1/2 years.

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11 hours ago, wtfovr said:

For Phoenix, the final hull gets you more guns 6 - 8 - and finally 10 guns.   Six is anemic, 8 is better.  Then better guns, 10 guns, and extra range is the way I upgraded my Phoenix

 

For Omaha, the final hull gets you better AA, but you lose 2 guns and 2 torpedo launchers.  CVs are hit and miss, so I gave up the AA and stayed with the B hull during my Omaha grind.

 

I play Phoenix and Omaha like an oversized gunboat DD that doesn't have smoke, don't ever sail in a straight line for very long.  Otherwise you'll be very predictable and people will land hits on you.

Thanks for the hints. I am familiar with the whole "research it because you must, but do not buy or mount it" thing, so will bear this in mind.

I have mostly been a British cruiser specialist, but have a Svietlana, among other things, which is very fortunate as it means the whole "smokeless cruiser that fires HE" thing is not a complete mystery to me. Doesn't stop me from having made some horrid mistakes over the weekend, though... :Smile_child:

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I have the whole US CA line already unlocked, gonna grab me a Cleveland...and then grind the rest of the line. I think these will play like the Mino/Cleveland...hard to hit citadel...obscene firing...radar...yeah...it'll be fun once the playstyle is figured out. 

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pure what if......

 

what if I have a Cleveland and have 100K XP on her. What happens to the XP does it go to the Pensacola or will it go with the Cleveland?

 

I have a pile of XP  on my 5-10 USN cruisers as it is........what happens to the XP?

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You at least want to hit T6, then build up 2x ship to T+1 upgrades of XP on the T5, then wait for WG's announcement on how the split is going down.  At that point you'll know how to spend your free XP to get the maximum "gain".   The things we know, Cleveland is going T8, so that's a T8 for a T6's effort.  We know that the one column of ships is being shifted down from the Baltimore on, so going up to at least a fully upgraded T8 will get you the new T8 - how the XP etc will work on that is TBD by WG.

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22 hours ago, Counter_Gambit said:

Well, in my opinion, it's stupid that, that is how it is going to happen. So thank you for providing me this information concerning how to prevent this.

Well, if you think reflexively only about your Cleveland commander, yes, but think about it:

1. This implementation provides the opportunity to have any of the Heavy cruiser line captains (where the ships are being downtiered) to stay at tier in a new ship without retraining, including Baltimore captain into  the new Buffalo.

2. Yeah, nobody wants their Cleveland commander retrained to another boat (well, maybe there are exceptions), and have to be retrained to be brought back to the same ship, but there is the stated workaround.

3. If you want your CA captains kept with the ship and not the tier, the workaround above can be applied in those instances, as well.

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1 hour ago, Gary_P said:

pure what if......

 

what if I have a Cleveland and have 100K XP on her. What happens to the XP does it go to the Pensacola or will it go with the Cleveland?

 

I have a pile of XP  on my 5-10 USN cruisers as it is........what happens to the XP?

 

What most are thinking is that the Pensacola will replace the Cleveland at T6, so your XP would go there. Some of us think that WG might do a CL for a CL so that the Cleveland captain ends up on Dallas. Then that XP would be on the Dallas. The former is probably more likely, but we won't know for sure until the compensation package is set about one patch before the split. 

In any case, the XP stays at tier, so having 37-39k XP on Omaha means you could unlock Dallas when the split happens if the Dallas is not the compensation ship for the Cleveland. AIUI, people are expecting the down tiered CAs to be stock, so having XP at those tiers would be helpful as well. We might get fully upgraded down tier ships as well, another thing to find out with the compensation package.

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On 3/25/2018 at 12:26 PM, Counter_Gambit said:

Wait... my commander on Cleveland won't stay with the Cleveland after she is moved up to t8? So me building my commander for the Cleveland, would require me to then retrain that same commander to be used on the ship he was speced for?

Correct.  Before the update, I would recommend putting the captain currently on your Cleveland into your reserve.  The last two line splits, if the commander was in reserve, it stayed trained on the ship being up-tiered.  You could then just put the commander on the shiny new T8 Cleveland and use it without retraining.  

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1 hour ago, Gary_P said:

pure what if......

 

what if I have a Cleveland and have 100K XP on her. What happens to the XP does it go to the Pensacola or will it go with the Cleveland?

 

I have a pile of XP  on my 5-10 USN cruisers as it is........what happens to the XP?

XP stays at the tier

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14 minutes ago, XpliCT_PaiiN said:

Correct.  Before the update, I would recommend putting the captain currently on your Cleveland into your reserve.  The last two line splits, if the commander was in reserve, it stayed trained on the ship being up-tiered.  You could then just put the commander on the shiny new T8 Cleveland and use it without retraining.  

I would recommend having a captain sitting in the ship for the split, like a temp 0pt captain, just so the system doesn't check the reserve for a captain and grab the wrong one.

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Just out of interest, what currently happens with the ship immediately before the split in the Japanese and Russian destroyer lines? Does one have to earn separate XP unlocks for each sub-line via different gun/hull/torpedo pathways, or does one lot of XP unlock both?

I know that once you hit the St Louis, it offers you the battleship unlock via what appears to be a gun upgrade (it is actually just a fictitious placeholder) and the Phoenix unlock via the hull upgrade pathway, but that is for two dis-similar ship-type lines. I currently have no interest in unlocking US battleships so I did not follow that line, but I guess XP expended is XP expended, so yeah, you would have to grind the Tier V twice to follow both lines.

Another good reason to get the Cleveland before the split occurs, especially if I have no particular interest in grinding the Tier VI and VII light cruisers that will be beneath her (and which I assume will NOT be unlocked simply because I have the promoted Tier VIII ship).

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