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ST. Soviet cruiser Stalingrad, tier X

Hit points – 84000. Plating - 32 mm. Armor belt – 180 mm. Torpedo damage reduction – 25%.

Main battery - 3х3 305 mm. Firing range – 20.4 km. Maximum AP shell damage - 9200. Reload time - 20 s. 180 degree turn time - 40 s. Maximum dispersion - 219 m. AP initial velocity - 950 m/s. Sigma value – 1.8.

AA defense - 10x4 25 mm, range - 3.1 km, damage per second - 84. 6x4 45 mm, range - 3.5 km, damage per second - 124. 6x2 130 mm, range - 5.7 km, damage per second - 167.

Maximum speed - 35 kt. Turning circle radius - 1130 m. Rudder shift time – 15.0 s. Surface detectability – 18.2 km. Air detectability – 13.8 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 15.6 km.

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Defensive AA Fire

Slot 3 - Repair Party

All stats are listed without crew and upgrade modifiers but with best available modules. The stats are subject to change during the testing.



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She's very interesting right now. I look forward to her development. 

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And in another clear showing of Russian bias Wargaming is once again breaking it's own set rules, by have yet another [edited] idea of making a battlecruiser not a batteship like every other one in the game.

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That turning radius.  Players will need big maps to turn around.  

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At the point where it has mostly the consumables of a battleship, the TDS of a battleship, the extremity armor of a battleship, the sigma and dispersion of a battleship, the turning circle of a battleship, the 4.5'/s turret traverse of a battleship, the 305mm guns of a battleship, the concealment of a battleship (Yamato is 0.2km better) the HP of a battleship...

Why don't we call it a... battleship and treat it as such?

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17 minutes ago, mofton said:

At the point where it has mostly the consumables of a battleship, the TDS of a battleship, the extremity armor of a battleship, the sigma and dispersion of a battleship, the turning circle of a battleship, the 4.5'/s turret traverse of a battleship, the 305mm guns of a battleship, the concealment of a battleship (Yamato is 0.2km better) the HP of a battleship...

Why don't we call it a... battleship and treat it as such?

 

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1 hour ago, PrairiePlayer said:

That turning radius.  Players will need big maps to turn around. 

 

Well with it's 84k health pool, it is a big boy and thus needs a much larger turning radius than standard for CAs.  My Hindie has 52k health, that is a lot more...

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I couldn't help but notice: no stats for HE shells? Either I missed it in the description, or maybe she doesn't get them in this current iteration?

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8 minutes ago, Backwards_Logic said:

I couldn't help but notice: no stats for HE shells? Either I missed it in the description, or maybe she doesn't get them in this current iteration?

The lack of AP shells seems deliberate.  From the preliminary videos we've seen of her, she may have improved normalization / autobounce angles / fuse timers akin to British AP shells.

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It has the hit points of a Conqueror.  I agree with the Russian Bias part, Krondstat as the same issue at T9, but they brought the HP pool down.  For it to outclass the CA's has badly as it does, is really kind of crappy.

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Me, looking at this monstrosity being labeled as a cruiser, thinking about all the people who argued that Alaska and B-65 should be tier 7 BBs instead of tier 10 CAs:

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Is this the limited CA that is going being awarded to clan battle players?  If so, this sucks big time for anyone who didn't take part.  That ship clearly out classes every CA and not just by a little.

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Wait... so they took all that time to talk about how they worked so hard to make an accurate representation of her radar...

 

 

And she doesn't get radar?

 

With that detection and turning radius?

 

Not even the short CD radar of Moskva?

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8 minutes ago, gcangel82 said:

It has the hit points of a Conqueror.  I agree with the Russian Bias part, Krondstat as the same issue at T9, but they brought the HP pool down.  For it to outclass the CA's has badly as it does, is really kind of crappy.

Really, with this and Kronshtadt, Wargaming could fix all their problems with 1 thing; add another line to the symbol and treat it like every other Battlecruiser in the game.

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1 hour ago, mofton said:

At the point where it has mostly the consumables of a battleship, the TDS of a battleship, the extremity armor of a battleship, the sigma and dispersion of a battleship, the turning circle of a battleship, the 4.5'/s turret traverse of a battleship, the 305mm guns of a battleship, the concealment of a battleship (Yamato is 0.2km better) the HP of a battleship...

Why don't we call it a... battleship and treat it as such?

I guess the only positive thing is that at least they didn't try calling it a destroyer... (only because they already have Khaba in that tier).

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2 minutes ago, Bril01 said:

Is this the limited CA that is going being awarded to clan battle players?  If so, this sucks big time for anyone who didn't take part.  That ship clearly out classes every CA and not just by a little.

Eh....that's a huge stretch.

No hydro, no radar, no HE, BB dispersion, BB sigma, can't overmatch most cruisers, worst turning circle of any non CV in the game and belt armor considerably thinner than the Moskva.  Unless there is something we're missing, I really struggle to see how this thing can stand up to other Tier 10 cruisers.  

It still might be fun and competitive for random battles, but when all is said and done, it's pretty bad at "cruiser-ing".

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13 minutes ago, LittleWhiteMouse said:

The lack of AP shells seems deliberate.  From the preliminary videos we've seen of her, she may have improved normalization / autobounce angles / fuse timers akin to British AP shells.

Still doesn't change the fact that this like Kronshtadt and should be treated like every other Battlecruiser in the game, be it KII, Amagi, Ashitaka, Hood or Kongo; as a Battleship. As a cruiser she is just plain rediculous and OP.

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17 minutes ago, yashma said:

Eh....that's a huge stretch.

No hydro, no radar, no HE, BB dispersion, BB sigma, can't overmatch most cruisers, worst turning circle of any non CV in the game and belt armor considerably thinner than the Moskva.  Unless there is something we're missing, I really struggle to see how this thing can stand up to other Tier 10 cruisers.  

It still might be fun and competitive for random battles, but when all is said and done, it's pretty bad at "cruiser-ing".

 

It's gonna need at least one of the traditional cruiser consumables for it to... cruiser well.

 

But as it stands now the only thing its got going is that 32 mm bow...  which just screams bring a yammy to counter.

Or a Hindi to spam it to death.

Or a Zao to spam it to death.

Or a DM to spam it to death.

Or a Moskva to spam it to death.

Basically... any of the traditional cruisers.

 

This thing is theoretically really easy to counter.

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2 hours ago, PrairiePlayer said:

That turning radius.  Players will need big maps to turn around.  

According to the physics of aqua dynamics: The longer and thinner your ship, the wider the turn circle. The fatter your ship, the tighter the turn circle. Hence why Alabama, North Cal, Colorado, New Mexico, New York, Wyoming and pretty much all the Tier 3 BBs have tighter turn circles than some cruisers, some same tier cruisers and most IJN Destroyers.

And why historically Iowa had an 800m turn circle and Yamato had a 640m turn circle.

19 minutes ago, Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi said:

Still doesn't change the fact that this like Kronshtadt and should be treated like every other Battlecruiser in the game, be it KII, Amagi, Ashitaka, Hood or Kongo; as a Battleship. As a cruiser she is just plain rediculous and OP.


Kii was designed as a Fast Battleship. Not a Battlecruiser. Amagi was the only Battlecruiser design among Japan's 10x16inch gun designs.

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24 minutes ago, Hunter_Steel said:

Kii was designed as a Fast Battleship. Not a Battlecruiser. Amagi was the only Battlecruiser design among Japan's 10x16inch gun designs.

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KII was to be Amagi's sister ship had the class been built. Her for in game is a what if late war refit making her a fast battleship, just like with Kongo. So no, she is still a battlecruiser. @Doomlock will agree, KII is the Kongo just with a different hull, the playstyle reflects this too. This is further shown with the name, KII is named like a battlecruiser, after a mountain. If she was a Battleship she would have been named after a prefecture, like Nagato or Japan, like Yamato. She is a battlecruiser,  try to [edited] somewhere else.

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1 hour ago, Bril01 said:

Is this the limited CA that is going being awarded to clan battle players?  If so, this sucks big time for anyone who didn't take part.  That ship clearly out classes every CA and not just by a little.

Yes, this is the Clan Battles reward ship.

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1 hour ago, yashma said:

No hydro, no radar, no HE, BB dispersion, BB sigma, can't overmatch most cruisers, worst turning circle of any non CV in the game and belt armor considerably thinner than the Moskva.  Unless there is something we're missing, I really struggle to see how this thing can stand up to other Tier 10 cruisers.  

 

You can replace DF with hydro upon all the other CAs, not sure why this one would be any different.  Not having HE won't be a huge deal if as WM mentioned this uses the British AP system, this will make its AP more effective then any non RN AP.  Yes, it has a high dispersion but what do you expect when you are firing BB guns?  The biggest CA gun right now is 220mm, this thing's AP is a huge upgrade over what CAs have at the moment.  It might having any more issues penning CAs than another CA currently does fighting one another.  It's turning circle is large but so is it's HP pool, the Mosvka has the largest and this still have about 20k more.  Not sure on it's armor numbers but they seem pretty similar to what I am use to in my Hindenburg.  It has 30 deck armor and 110 belt.  Now the turtle back help it out, really need to see the armor viewer to see it better.

It seems to be better suited for dealing with CAs than BBs.

 

 

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Say what you want about this ship, but a Des Moines will easily murder it at <10km and Zao/Hindy will easily burn it down at pretty much any range.

This ship is a glorified toy, it wont be competitive by any means at tier 9/X. Its the Graf Spee type of ship at tier X.

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