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but it has HE, probably a ridiculous fireworks worthy floaty into orbit ballistics arcs of fire, a concealment a dd would be jealous of, no citadel to speak of, and will spend its time in battles sitting behind islands or reporting friendly Memetaurs for refusing to share their smoke.. (an approximate guess!)

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I really don't get why people are complaining about its max range.  This thing can mount Gun Fire Control System Modification 2 which can extend its range out to around 17km......and I really want to know who in their right mind thinks they need more than 17km range in a ship with Cleveland arcs.  

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That rudder shift isn't even bad, it just requires you to think ahead 2 seconds, which you should already be doing.

The low max range will help you not play like a scumbag and actually help your team by hunting DDs, which you should be doing. You'll probably also have Cleveland arcs, which makes range a bit of a moot point.

The low HP is also apparently countered by an actually well protected (very small) citadel.

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Good to see people making judgements like that after only seeing superficial stats and nothing else... :Smile_facepalm:

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On 3/24/2018 at 10:08 PM, yashma said:

I really don't get why people are complaining about its max range.  This thing can mount Gun Fire Control System Modification 2 which can extend its range out to around 17km......and I really want to know who in their right mind thinks they need more than 17km range in a ship with Cleveland arcs.  

The problem is that you're forced to get that range mod in order to be competitive instead of letting you choose. That or they expect having the spotter plane consumable to make up for the dramatic reduction in range especially when compared to the British light cruisers, spoiler it won't. This is especially frustrating when they throw meaningless buzzwords like "Historical Accuracy" as an excuse. I would be fine with a range of 15.4 km on the USN light cruisers  the same range as the Tier VII Fiji and Tier VIII Edinburgh but a range of 14.7 km is just pathetic. IRL the USN Light Cruiser and their British counterparts had roughly the same gun range according to navweaps.com. Why WG decides to nerf it is beyond me, but hopefully this is just for testing and they'll give it their actual ranges during the PTS.

British Light Cruiser Gun Stats: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_6-50_mk23.php

USN Light Cruiser Gun Stats: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_6-47_mk16.php

 

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3 hours ago, midorigreen said:

The problem is that you're forced to get that range mod in order to be competitive instead of letting you choose. That or they expect having the spotter plane consumable to make up for the dramatic reduction in range especially when compared to the British light cruisers, spoiler it won't.

Ah....I sense you are out of the loop.  Well never fear, I have some very good news for you.  The Bertie Wooster has been buffed, and now has a 16.7 km base range.  A whole bunch of other USN cruisers have also seen some rather substantial buffs as well. 

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On 3/31/2018 at 8:10 AM, yashma said:

Ah....I sense you are out of the loop.  Well never fear, I have some very good news for you.  The Bertie Wooster has been buffed, and now has a 16.7 km base range.  A whole bunch of other USN cruisers have also seen some rather substantial buffs as well. 

Not really. No changes for the CAs, and the CLs got their DPM buffed from CA levels to meh CL levels. I'm not going to celebrate bellow average because it's better than bad.

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2 hours ago, Madwolf05 said:

Not really. No changes for the CAs, and the CLs got their DPM buffed from CA levels to meh CL levels. I'm not going to celebrate bellow average because it's better than bad.

Are they though?  Have you actually done the math?

With these changes the Bertie Wooster no longer needs to worry about taking the range the upgrade...and with the reload mod will be approaching 400k HE DPM.  That is as far as I know the highest HE DPM of any ship in the game.  That is something worth celebrating.

The Seattle with reload mod active is approaching DM levels of DPM, and has the highest HE DPM of any tier 9 cruiser.  For reference sake it has over 100k more HE DPM than the reload mod Roon and almost double that of the Ibuki.  

The Cleveland has the 2nd highest HE DPM of any tier 8 cruiser, only narrowly behind the Mogami

The Helena has the 2nd highest HE DPM of any Tier 7 cruiser, only 2nd to the Atlanta.

The Dallas has the highest HE DPM of any tier 6 cruiser. 

You can argue the merits of these ships, and how useful they'll be based on their shell arcs , gun ranges, armor, concealment and other factors...but it's dishonest to claim they have meh DPM.

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On 3/24/2018 at 10:08 PM, yashma said:

I really don't get why people are complaining about its max range.  This thing can mount Gun Fire Control System Modification 2 which can extend its range out to around 17km......and I really want to know who in their right mind thinks they need more than 17km range in a ship with Cleveland arcs.  

That complaint has been leveled at the other new USN CLs coming.  "Too short gun range!"  But as you said, those are Cleveland shells.  I assume you remember when BFT & AFT buffed 155mm and smaller guns, Cleveland shooting to 17.2km or so, and couldn't hit sh*t at that range.

 

Personally?  As it stands right now I look forward to Worcester.  It emphasizes a few critical things that would improve what I try to leverage with DM.

1.  Worcester has superior stealth than DM, by far.  Her Radar Range will be about what her Full Stealth Build Concealment range will be.  DM never had that.  If you are DD hunting and then suddenly spotted but don't see anything, pop Radar and the DD is WELL in range.

 

2.  The concealment lets Worcester creep closer to the caps, or get to island cover more easily, whereas even DM may get spotted to early, tipping the player's hand and get shot at.

 

3.  The AA has Minotaur / Neptune levels of range.  Unlike RN CLs, Worcester has Defensive Fire.  Also, not long ago, WG buffed Worcester's long range AA DPS by a significant margin.  Worcester changes:

"Worcester - base firing range increased from 14.7 to 16.7 km, sigma value increased from 2.0 to 2.05 and 152 mm AA guns average damage increased from 76 to 121."

 

Simply put, Worcester will be the superior "utility cruiser" than even Des Moines, but DM has that tougher bow, 203mm guns that don't need IFHE to be effective.  I foresee using Worcester for the same leverage I go for with Des Moines and the stealth, longer ranged AA gives me options to do what I wanted to do that DM didn't quite have.  I don't even give 2 sh*ts about the main battery range increase.  It's meaningless to me.  The stealth, radar, fast guns, and AA is what draws me in.

 

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