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Theory crafting: Being bottom Tiered help or hinder your WR?

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We always hear complaints about being bottom tiered a lot.   I seem to see the complaint coming mostly from  Newer player.      While being bottom tier will be more challenging to perform ,  it does  have benefit of giving you more XP   for given performance. For myself, I don't care about MM that much.    I tend to pay fair amount of t5 and t8.  Looking at my own stat,  i actually  seem to do better at t5  compared to  t6.  

Bottom tier means  our individual  influence on match is lower, but if you are below average player,  that may actually be a good thing as   RNG with MM will have bigger influence on your WR  bringing it closer to 50%.    We also tend to learn more from  failure and challenging situation.   This means you should be improving faster as bottom tier .   

 

So, what is about being bottom tiered that bothers you so much?.       if you are above average player,  it does hurt you a bit, but then most of those players div up with better players anyway.      only players that may be affected are better solo players, but this is such a small group, who cares about them.   

overall,  don't let being bottom tiered bother you so much.   have fun and improve (or not if you don't care) .   

 

 

 

 

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It hinders simply because you have less control of the 8% of the game you're responsible for.

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Being bottom tier when t5, or t8 can be frustrating, just because of the dramatic improvements in the ships between then and the top tier. But I view being bottom tier as an opportunity to be unexpectedly influential. A lot of bottom tiers don't seem to expect to make an impact, which usually means that a bottom tier that does make an impact a bigger bonus to the team.

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Bottom tier is probably one kind of hindrance or another to all but DDs. Torpedoes and stealth are great equalizers. 

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11 minutes ago, cometguy said:

Being bottom tier when t5, or t8 can be frustrating, just because of the dramatic improvements in the ships between then and the top tier. But I view being bottom tier as an opportunity to be unexpectedly influential. A lot of bottom tiers don't seem to expect to make an impact, which usually means that a bottom tier that does make an impact a bigger bonus to the team.

I've been is so many battles where surprising enough the top performing ships were bottom tier. 
Bottom tier with some ships is quite manageable. For instance, tier 5 Kami or Iron Duke. I can perform as well as any t7 because those are great ships.
Tier 6 - Fuso  can cit most tier 8 BBs and can hold it's own.
Tier 7 - Lyon and KG5 can also hold their own in T9 battles 
 

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18 minutes ago, centarina said:

only players that may be affected are better solo players, but this is such a small group, who cares about them. 

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Theoretically It should hinder your WR, because theoretically you have less carry potential. But since the overall player base is pretty meh, its not too hard to be top XP and carry games when botton tier. 

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Just finished grinding my z23. I don't care what tier I was placed in. 

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My expectations change depending on what tier I am in.  If I am low tier, then my goal is to just win the match.  If I am high tier, then I expect to win and heavily influence the match.  Either way, it does not particularly bother me to be low tier.  

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Bottom-tiering hinders you if you are good, because your ability to carry is limited by the weakness of your ship compared to your competition. However, if you are a sub-50% WR player, it may end up helping since you aren't expected to carry. If you are hard top-tier being, for example, one of the only tier VIII battleships in a game you are expected to do a  lot of work. If you are a potato, then your failure to heavily influence the match has put a lot of pressure on the bottom-tiers in the game.

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1 minute ago, Fog_Battleship_NCarolina said:

Just finished grinding my z23. I don't care what tier I was placed in. 

Almost there Almost there..... Luke you turned off your targeting computer. Sill in the EG But close

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26 minutes ago, centarina said:

We always hear complaints about being bottom tiered a lot.   I seem to see the complaint coming mostly from  Newer player.      While being bottom tier will be more challenging to perform ,  it does  have benefit of giving you more XP   for given performance. For myself, I don't care about MM that much.    I tend to pay fair amount of t5 and t8.  Looking at my own stat,  i actually  seem to do better at t5  compared to  t6.  

Bottom tier means  our individual  influence on match is lower, but if you are below average player,  that may actually be a good thing as   RNG with MM will have bigger influence on your WR  bringing it closer to 50%.    We also tend to learn more from  failure and challenging situation.   This means you should be improving faster as bottom tier .   

 

So, what is about being bottom tiered that bothers you so much?.       if you are above average player,  it does hurt you a bit, but then most of those players div up with better players anyway.      only players that may be affected are better solo players, but this is such a small group, who cares about them.   

overall,  don't let being bottom tiered bother you so much.   have fun and improve (or not if you don't care) .   

 

 

 

 

I play mostly 5-7. Over Xmas I played 132 games 79 of them bottom tier.28 top tier. I lost about .5% in win ratio during that time.. haven't really played much since....:Smile_teethhappy:

And it really doesn't matter whether you think it's an issue or not....considering this games retention issues, I'd say it's a problem for newer players.

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6 minutes ago, CLUCH_CARGO said:

Almost there Almost there..... Luke you turned off your targeting computer. Sill in the EG But close

 

It's a really fun ship. Although I only got top tier 2 times, the 150s really pack a punch against enemy dds.

 

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If you play a Bismarck or a Tirpitz  in tier 8 it can be rough when u are constantly in tier 10 games . The play style doesn't really fit your ship strengths its hard to brawl in those games with so many good CA and long range bb at tier 10 . However I think your right it helps you make adjustments in play style , probable helps you to improve , and the Bismarck and the Tirpitz are very capable ships . I don't mind except that it happens a little too much and I really don't belong in tier 10 games yet . But I'm not complaining what doesn't kill you makes you stronger unfortunately I usually end up dead .

 

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14 minutes ago, STINKWEED_ said:

I've been is so many battles where surprising enough the top performing ships were bottom tier. 
Bottom tier with some ships is quite manageable. For instance, tier 5 Kami or Iron Duke. I can perform as well as any t7 because those are great ships.
Tier 6 - Fuso  can cit most tier 8 BBs and can hold it's own.
Tier 7 - Lyon and KG5 can also hold their own in T9 battles 
 

My tier 5 Kirov can get it done when over tiered. 180mm guns. It's a match for most tier 6 cruisers. 

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Don’t have a problem being low tier, do have a problem the number of times you are low tier based upon tier and type of ship.  I have a lot of tier 8 ships, but this tier, especially for DDs and cruisers for Solo players get tiered two tiers up a majority of the time.  I have pretty much all the tier 10 ships and plenty of credits, so if I want to play a tier 10 random, with competitive ships, I would just grab one of them.  For a while now, jumping into a tier 8 dd/Cruiser has resulted being at a disadvantage vs higher tier ships.  For the first few times it is “OK, I can handle the challenge”, then as the up tiering continues it is “Really? Again?”,  then after a few more times it is “You got to be friken kidding me”.  If the intent is to push me into playing my tier 10 boats more often, parking my tier 8 boats as port queens, it is working.  

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It doesn't really help or hinder me. I still perform decently when bottom tier.

 

But it does get tiresome when it happens 9 out of 10 times I hit Battle.

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Ship type makes a big difference when I am bottom tier I would rather be bottom with a BB than a cruiser and probably would rather be in a dd than a cruiser too.

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8 minutes ago, Panzer1113 said:

Don’t have a problem being low tier, do have a problem the number of times you are low tier based upon tier and type of ship.  I have a lot of tier 8 ships, but this tier, especially for DDs and cruisers for Solo players get tiered two tiers up a majority of the time.  I have pretty much all the tier 10 ships and plenty of credits, so if I want to play a tier 10 random, with competitive ships, I would just grab one of them.  For a while now, jumping into a tier 8 dd/Cruiser has resulted being at a disadvantage vs higher tier ships.  For the first few times it is “OK, I can handle the challenge”, then as the up tiering continues it is “Really? Again?”,  then after a few more times it is “You got to be friken kidding me”.  If the intent is to push me into playing my tier 10 boats more often, parking my tier 8 boats as port queens, it is working.  

Yes well said , a challenge every once in a while is great but at tier 8 it seems to happens way too much .

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32 minutes ago, Kelsier3 said:

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i do play most of my matches solo   .  oh well.    

 

I do agree that when I am top tiered, I play more aggressive and go for carry vs bottom tier, esp in BB.    if I am bottom, I do play bit more conservative until match is developed.    but lot of players just camp or lemming train, and in those situation, I just don't see being top or bottom make any difference.   heck, at least bottom gets you more XP.  

 

 

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I feel it depends entirely on the lower tiered ship, and how good you are with it. Omaha, for instance, is a ship that suffers heavily being uptiered, however, in my first round today, someone drove theirs to 1600 base and lead the match. Now they could have just had a really good match, or they could have simply been really good with the ship, either case, Omaha just doesn't perform like that against T7 for virtually anyone. Certain BB's don't uptier well, some, like OR, manage it due to the specifics of that ship, whereas Bretagne doesn't uptier well. Gneisenau against Iowa, you may get lucky, but you're most likely going to get wrecked.

 

And, of course, there's NY, which doesnt even do well at it's own tier. xD Texas, however, does. She doesn't uptier all that well, though, except against CV's.

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22 minutes ago, dmckay said:

My tier 5 Kirov can get it done when over tiered. 180mm guns. It's a match for most tier 6 cruisers. 

Yes but a glass canon. One broadside hit and it's all over Rover!

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There often isn't as big of a power difference between tiers, especially for Destroyers and some Battleships. Lower tier DDs usually have a concealment advantage (except tier 6 and 7 due to the concealment module coming in at tier 8) and faster reloading torpedoes which can help in a brawl. The old-school WW1 armor scheme also makes it easier for lower tier BBs to shatter HE shells and angle off shots - a QE actually has an advantage over a KGV when using AP due to this, for example. 

My plan is just to try my best to outplay everybody regardless of tier, and it is slowly working more often as I gain more experience. 

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45 minutes ago, Madwolf05 said:

It hinders simply because you have less control of the 8% of the game you're responsible for.

That's just it though. That isn't always a bad thing, depending on which 8% you're responsible for.

If you and I were on a team, we'd be better off with me in a bottom-tier ship and you in a top-tier, than vice versa lol.

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