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Request to get some Canadian Warships

At the end of world war 2 the Royal Canadian Navy became the fourth largest fleet in the world and for its contribution in the “Battle of the Atlantic” along its participation in the assaults on the Aleutian Islands, Sicily and Italy, Normandy, southern France, Greece, and in the liberation of Hong Kong, I believe Canada would deserve at least one ship in World of Warships.

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Partial History of the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN)

 The Battle of the Atlantic was the longest campaign of the Second World War and the most important. Canada was a major participant: this country’s enormous effort in the struggle was crucial to Allied victory. While the ships and personnel of the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) operated across the globe during the war, they are best remembered for their deeds during the Battle of the Atlantic.

At stake was the survival of Great Britain and the liberation of western Europe from German occupation. Britain could be saved from starvation, and strengthened into the launching pad for the liberation of Europe, only by the delivery of supplies, troops, and equipment from Canada and the United States. Everything had to be carried in vulnerable merchant ships that faced a gauntlet of enemy naval forces. The friendly territory closest to Great Britain, Canada’s east coast and Newfoundland were in the front line of the Battle of the Atlantic. Canada’s navy and merchant marine, played leading parts in the battle throughout the war.

When Britain declared war on Germany on 3 September 1939, the German navy, which had prepositioned U-boats (submarines) and powerful surface warships in the Atlantic, began to attack British merchant ships. Halifax, the Atlantic base of Canada’s tiny navy, immediately became an indispensable Allied port from which to fight the Battle of the Atlantic.

In September 1939 Canada’s navy included only 3500 personnel, both regular force and reserve, and six ocean-going warships, the ‘River’ class destroyers His Majesty’s Canadian Ships (HMCS) Fraser, Ottawa, Restigouche, Saguenay, St Laurent, and Skeena. A seventh ‘River,’ HMCS Assiniboine joined the fleet in October. All these ships were British built, Saguenay and Skeena according to special Canadian specifications. Destroyers were among the smallest full-fledged, ocean-going warships, but the ‘River’ class were thoroughly modern — fast and powerfully armed. In the early months of the war, the Canadian destroyers escorted the convoys, and also large Allied warships.

 

In the fall of 1940 the Canadian government embarked on full-scale naval expansion. The Royal Canadian Navy further assisted the short-handed Royal Navy by taking over seven of the fifty First World War-era destroyers the still-neutral United States made available to Britain. In response to Britain’s call for help, Canada, starting in May 1941, took the lead in building a new naval base at St John’s, Newfoundland, and in supplying most of the warships that escorted convoys across the 3000 kilometres of ocean between Newfoundland and the British Isles. The burden on the Canadian fleet became nearly unbearable.

 

Because the United States, the source of much of the supplies for Britain, was now in the war, in the summer of 1942 the HX convoys shifted to New York. The United States Navy, however, was not yet in a position to defend these convoys, so Halifax-based Canadian warships shepherded them between New York and Newfoundland, and then brought westbound convoys from Newfoundland to New York. These tasks were in addition to the comprehensive network of coastal convoys between Canadian and northern US ports. At the same time, Canadian escort vessels still formed a major part of the mid-ocean force that took convoys between Newfoundland and British waters and, during the summer and autumn of 1942, these corvettes and destroyers faced a new German ‘wolfpack’ offensive that was stronger still than the assault in 1941.

The Canadian groups had little chance for rest in British waters since they became heavily engaged on the United Kingdom-Gibraltar convoy run, before returning to the north Atlantic battle. This all-out British effort, with Canadian support, succeeded, and Admiral Karl Dönitz the German commander-in-chief of the U-boat fleet, pulled his forces out of the central north Atlantic in May 1943. Although this was a decisive turn in the war, the Germans still had over 200 U-boats available, and soon they were using new equipment and tactics to challenge Allied defences. The Allies, meanwhile, recognized Canada’s large and expanding contribution to the war at sea by making Canadian and Newfoundland waters a distinct theatre of operations under Canadian command. In place of the previous command exercised by an American admiral based in Newfoundland, Rear-Admiral L.W. Murray established the Canadian Northwest Atlantic headquarters at Halifax on 30 April 1943.

 

All of the warships and merchant ships Canada could produce were urgently needed to transport supplies to Britain for the final buildup of Allied forces for the invasion of Normandy, the beginning of the liberation of France and northwest Europe. As a testament to its much-improved effectiveness based on new equipment and ships (anti-submarine frigates, true ocean-keeping vessels based on the corvettes but considerably larger, joined the fleet in increasing numbers), during the first half of 1944 the RCNtook over full responsibility for escorting north Atlantic convoys to Britain. The navy also sent large numbers of its best escorts, including the venerable ‘River’ class destroyers, into the English Channel to support the invasion, which took place on 6 June 1944. Over 100 RCN ships ranging from large destroyers to troop transports participated in the Normandy landings.

 

The Canadian fleet was continuously and heavily engaged in Canadian and Newfoundland home waters, as well as in protecting the by-then enormous transatlantic convoys that fed supplies to the Allied armies in Europe. This was an essential military contribution to the Allied cause. Moreover, the navy maintained its commitments in British and European coastal waters and also escorted convoys to the Soviet Union along the treacherous and unforgiving Arctic route.

 

The RCN (Royal Canadian Navy) had grown to a strength of over 95,000 personnel, and the fleet committed to the Battle of the Atlantic included some 270 ocean escort warships. Canada possessed the third-largest navy in the world after the fleets of the United States and Britain. The most important measure of its success was the safe passage during the war of over 25,000 merchant ships under Canadian escort. These cargo vessels delivered nearly 165 million tons of supplies to Britain and to the Allied forces that liberated Europe. 

 

At the end of the war, the RCN was the fourth largest fleet in the world — behind only those of the US, Britain and the Soviet Union — with more than 400 warships. Although the RCN had no battleships or submarines, Canadian sailors served with distinction on both types of vessels in the Royal Navy.

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Ships done on Canadian specifications:

HMCS SAGUENAY and HMCS SKEENA   (Destroyers)

When their keels were laid in 1929, these ships were the first warships, other than auxiliaries, which were built expressly for the RCN.

Patterned on the RN Acasta or "A"-class destroyers, they incorporated certain "changes and additions considered necessary for service in Canadian waters."

Weighing in at 1,320 tons, both ships had a length of 322', a beam of 32.5' and a draught of 12'. Her boilers and engines developed 34,000 hp, and the ships design speed was 35 knots. She mounted 4-4.7" guns, 2-2 pounders, 5 machine guns and 8-21" torpedo tubes in two quad mountings. Her crew complement was 138 all ranks.

To make them suitable for 'Canadian waters', they were given additional strengthening against floating ice, a larger than normal margin of stability (to counter icing on the upper decks, superstructure and rigging), steam-heat, ice cupboards, shower-baths and a special ventilation system.

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 HMCS AURORA   (Light Cruiser)

On the 1st of November 1920, HMCS AURORA was commissioned into the RCN.

A 'light' cruiser, she was one of the eight ship ARETHUSA Class of the RN. Built at HM Dockyard in Devonport, she had been launched on Sept 30th, 1913.

Weighing in at a mere 3512 tons, she was 436' long, had a beam of 39' and a draught of 13.5 feet. She was fitted with the new steam turbines, and with PATRIOT and PATRICIAN, used oil instead of coal. Her engines developed 40,000 hp and her design speed was 29 knots. She mounted 2-6" guns, 6-4" guns, 11 smaller caliber weapons and 8-21" torpedo tubes. Her crew complement was 370 all ranks.

AURORA had served with the Royal Navy "Grand Fleet" from 1914 to 1916. As a result of German attacks on the British coastal towns of Gorleston and Scarborough in 1914, she was part of the battle-cruiser force which was detached from Scapa Flow into southern England, and which was ready to swing out behind an attacking German force and cut them off from retreat to Germany if they attacked English coastal towns again. She was the first ship into action into the largest of the sorties made against German coastal raids, the Battle of Dogger Bank on Jan 24th, 1915.

She had also pioneered in trials for launching scout aircraft from cruisers, as an addition to their reconnaissance capability.

She was paid off to disposal in 1922, but suffered a lingering death in Halifax for the next 5 years, as she gradually deteriorated. She was sold for breaking up in 1927 and was taken to Sorel to the yards of AA Lasseque.

 

HMCS Ontario   (Light Cruiser)

General characteristics

 Class and type:

Minotaur-class light cruiser

Displacement:

·8,800 tons standard

·11,130 tons full

Length:

555.5 ft (169.3 m)

Beam:

63 ft (19 m)

Draught:

17.25 ft (5.26 m)

Propulsion:

·Four Admiralty-type three drum boilers

·Four shaft Parsons steam turbines

·72,500 shp (54,100 kW)

Speed:

31.5 knots (58.3 km/h)

Range:

·2,000 nautical miles (3,700 km) at 30 knots (60 km/h)

·8,000 nautical miles (15,000 km) at 16 knots (30 km/h); 1,850 tons fuel oil

Complement:

867

Armament:

·Three triple 6-inch / 50 Mk 23 guns

·Five dual 4-inch / 45 QF Mk 16 HAguns

·Four quad QF 2-pdr guns

·Six single 40 mm AA guns

·Two triple 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes

Armour:

·3.25–3.5-inch (83–89 mm) belt

·2-inch (51 mm) deck

·1–2-inch (25–51 mm) turrets

·1.5–2-inch (38–51 mm) bulkheads

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Well Canada will no doubt be getting some premiums at some point. They’re supposedly working on Haida. But the devs have stated that the Commonwealth(Canada, Australia, etc) will not be getting their own tech tree/lines.

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Canada may have been the forth largest fleet at the end of WWI but how much of that tonnage was made up of Flower Class corvettes and the like, ships that will never be in the game at least as playable ships? As renegade mentioned premiums will be where Canada and many other countries will fit into the game. Something that has been brought up since Alpha is to have an "Allied" tree to handle the ships from the "minor" countries that didn't have fleets that would make a good tree.

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There are a lot of unrepresented countries in Warships that had ships of the period. Pan-Asia, that's like most of the people on Earth, and they just got some ships. It has been rumored that the government may be the holdup on this. WG isn't going to pay them a dime.

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Unfortunately Canada doesn't have enough ships to make a full line. There are only two light cruisers in the Crown Colony (Fiji) and Minotaur class. The closest to a full line would be destroyers with the following represented in any real numbers:

  • Town Class, rebranded USN Wickes & Clemson class (Think Campeltown)
  • A Class
  • C & D Class
  • E & F Class
  • G & H Class
  • U & V Class
  • Tribal

A lot of those destroyer classes with the exception of the Tribals are very similar and wouldn't be much of an improvement without artificially inflating stats from tier to tier. Honestly, I'll just be happy if they throw us a bone with the HMCS Haida. 

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Until they let RN Captains serve on the Commonwealth Tree, they will not be popular to develop for, for the same reason the Polish Blys does not/didn't sell well: it just turns into a SECOND set of RN Ships that each need separate captains for. If I could share my Belfast/DD RN Captain with say the Perth, then I would be more amenable to buying it, but as it stands, I already have a Belfast and I kept the Leander w/ it's own 19 point Captain, I don't need a separate hybrid of the two that I need to grind ANOTHER captain up to 19 pnts with.

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Thanks for the suggestion. The Royal Canadian Navy was very influential in the North Atlantic during WWII. Helped in escorting many Liberty ships to England. At this time, we don't have any information on Canada or any Canadian ships being added to the fleet. Please check the news portal for any announcements or updates regarding topics such as these, i.e. - New ships/countries

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Canada in WWII had 1140 surface warship , yes mostly corvette and frigate and destroyer but still a few are worthy of our game .......

HMCS Haida ....... this one is a heroic DD that fight a lot and win :) ........... That ship did everything from sinking submarine and DD and many other ship and rescue sailor , saving lives etc... Now a beautiful museum in Canada !

HMCS Uganda and Ontario .... those were our cruiser that see combat and do shore bombardments , the nearest thing that we got in game is the Fiji British cruiser

Now we also had 2  CV .... they were our CV with all Canadian crew but were still HMS instead of HMCS .... was because of some treaty that you can't give CV to other country ... anyway something like that I think ..... both did fight and one was torpedoed but did not sink and the other after the war bring Canadian soldier back from the war ...... those were Bogue class so could be cool to add it in our game but with British airplanes so that give us a cool and different Bogue :)

 

I like Canada ... my country ... but there is something I would really , really like also ...... it's diversity in CV .... I mean when you take a CV into a game you pretty much know which CV will be against you since there is only 2 country with CV

Now we need to add a lot's of them even if they are not the best but different and fun ..... we need the French CV Bearn , the Italian Aquila , the German Graff Zeppelin , a Canadian CV with British plane would be different / cool and fun  ..... And of course the British CV line even if it's a small line not up to Tier X  ........ I don't want tier 9 or 10 CV for nation that did not have them for real so let U.S. and Japan be the only country with tier 9 and 10 CV 

 

Thanks !

 

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Why not Greece? Yes they won't have much ships to fill out a tech tree but you will have some nice premiums.

 

you could even go and make them in a group of nations... "Pan Med"?

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Canada is almost certain to wind up as the Commonwealth.

Also, the photo in your OP is downright hilarious. Look at that fabulous armada of... two American and one Japanese ships. GLORIOUS CANADA.

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I don't know much about the technical end of adding Canadian ships to the game OP but I will say this. Canadians fought a hell of a fight in WWII and WWI. Naval and of course ground troops in Europe and airmen etc.  Billy Bishop!  WWI ACE. In time of serious war I want the Canadians with me.  Tough.  Very Tough. I know quite a bit about their ground troops in both WWI and WWII. :Smile_honoring:  You deserve some ships.

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28 minutes ago, Battlecruiser_Kongo said:

Canada is almost certain to wind up as the Commonwealth.

Also, the photo in your OP is downright hilarious. Look at that fabulous armada of... two American and one Japanese ships. GLORIOUS CANADA.

Still will be just premiums and no tech tree/lines. But yes, they will fall under Commonwealth for their nationality in game.

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Aside from the Italians (who would need some fake ships to complete their lines), I'm not sure there is a navy left that isn't in game that has the ships to even partially fill out a couple branches of the tech tree.  I mean, we have:

US, UK, USSR, Germany, France, Japan and Asia.  What, other than Italy (with heavy numbers of fake ships), is left?

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40 minutes ago, Pope_Shizzle said:

Aside from the Italians (who would need some fake ships to complete their lines), I'm not sure there is a navy left that isn't in game that has the ships to even partially fill out a couple branches of the tech tree.  I mean, we have:

US, UK, USSR, Germany, France, Japan and Asia.  What, other than Italy (with heavy numbers of fake ships), is left?

A Dutch line could work for DD's + a few Prem Cruisers (Java's). And a South American Navy could be added with low-mid tier premiums. Spain could have a Cruiser line to about T7 or T8 pending on how you handle the Canarias (kinda Hipper-like). Main problem is Tiers 8-9 and 10. Even the 'big' Naval nations, US, RN, IJN, and KM, didn't always have enough 'modern' ships to fit in at those tiers. I mean for comparison, only 1 tier 10 BB is real, and only 1 Tier 10 Cruiser is real, and only 2 of the DD's are real. And for some reason WGing does not like the idea of 'half' lines or skipped ships, which means it's all or nothing with small navies like South America or Spain.

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4 hours ago, Super_Splash_Bro said:

Thanks for the suggestion. The Royal Canadian Navy was very influential in the North Atlantic during WWII. Helped in escorting many Liberty ships to England. At this time, we don't have any information on Canada or any Canadian ships being added to the fleet. Please check the news portal for any announcements or updates regarding topics such as these, i.e. - New ships/countries

Have to interject something to WoWS developers... consider the Austrian Hungarian navy...wow they really had some nice ships probably would go up to T5/6 without paper...then what if AH never dissolved?

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1 hour ago, Morpheous said:

Have to interject something to WoWS developers... consider the Austrian Hungarian navy...wow they really had some nice ships probably would go up to T5/6 without paper...then what if AH never dissolved?

They would make an excellent truncated sub-tree for the Germans up to about tier 4 or maybe 5.

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This is really, really simple.  Canadian ships belong in the Commonwealth tree or even better merged into the RN tree.

6 hours ago, _RC1138 said:

Until they let RN Captains serve on the Commonwealth Tree, they will not be popular to develop for, for the same reason the Polish Blys does not/didn't sell well: it just turns into a SECOND set of RN Ships that each need separate captains for. If I could share my Belfast/DD RN Captain with say the Perth, then I would be more amenable to buying it, but as it stands, I already have a Belfast and I kept the Leander w/ it's own 19 point Captain, I don't need a separate hybrid of the two that I need to grind ANOTHER captain up to 19 pnts with.

 

RC, I absolutely 100% agree with this.  I honestly don't really think that there should even be a Commonwealth tree as such.  Not as a sign of disrespect to the Commonwealth nations, but for more practical reasons.  I think that the commonwealth nations' ships should be merged into the RN, so that RN captains  could serve on Commonwealth premiums or  visa-versa.  And if by chance there was an actual commonwealth cruiser or DD line, then just let it be a second line with the RN tree.  Personally, I think that it'd be better to just add a number of Commonwealth ships as premiums, rather than trying to force a new tree made up of ships that would probably already be in a main RN cruiser or DD line.

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2 minutes ago, BrushWolf said:

They would make an excellent truncated sub-tree for the Germans up to about tier 4 or maybe 5.

They might also be useful if WG ever decided to create a Pan-European tree for those nations that didn't have large enough navies to support a full tree.  It could include Austria-Hungary, Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Greece, Turkey, and so on.

 

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We appreciate the feedback!  We're going to continue to expand the existing catalog of available ships and there are still tons to choose from!

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"You're kidding, right? Canada has a warship?" asked U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "Like for war?

"Does Canada know?" he added.

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Little piece of history for you...  lol

http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml

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There are a number of navies that had interesting ships that could be used to fill out several "stub" trees or individual Premium ships. 

1) Austro Hungary:  Low to mid tier Battleships, Cruisers and Destroyers, possibly a series of stub lines merging into a Pan European line.

2) Pan-European: Finns, Swedes, Danes, Norwegians, Dutch, Spain, Greece, Turkey:  Low to mid tier Battleships, low to high tier cruisers and destroyers (maybe enough to reach tier X with DD's)

3) Pan South American: Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru with low to mid tier BB's, low to high tier cruisers and low to high tier DD's.  

4) Commonwealth:  Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India:  One battleship (HMS Australia), a number of low to high tier cruisers and destroyers. 

 

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Monaco needs a ship as does Lichtenstein. Damn right! WG is just not fair. :Smile_glasses: Hey...Paraguay also! Landlocked but they would be bad azz if they could dig a canal to the Atlantic....1,000 miles or so?  NP. 

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