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Thoughts on a Battle of Leyte Gulf special event/premium ships?

Battle of Leyte Gulf/Battle off Samar premium ideas?  

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  1. 1. If WG were to introduce some special premium ships in honor of the Battle of Leyte Gulf and the Battle off Samar in October, which ships would you be interested in getting/seeing? Any of the ships listed could have some special perk attributed to them to separate from sister-ships of the same class.

    • USS Johnston DD-557 (Fletcher Class, Tier IX)
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    • USS Samuel B. Roberts (John C. Butler Class, Tier IV?)
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    • Premium Casablanca/Independence Class Escort Carrier from the battle (USS Gambier Bay, USS Shamrock Bay, USS Princeton, etc.. Tier V/VI)
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    • IJN Kumano (Mogami Class Heavy Cruiser, Tier VIII)
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    • IJN Chikuma (Tone Class Heavy Cruiser, Tier VII/VIII)
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    • IJN Yahagi (Agano Class Light Cruiser, Tier V/VI)
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    • Other (can specify in comments)
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So I made a topic on something similar to this something like 2 years ago(?), to some mixed results. I figured it wouldn't hurt to bring it up again, after all of the changes made to the game since then.

I was wondering if you, the community, would be interested/intrigued with a special even for the Battle of Leyte Gulf/Battle off Samar special event, with special premium ships to boot? I would imagine the largest Naval engagement in human history is bound to have a pool of desirable ships among it, yes?

They don't all have to be American ships Like the Johnston, Sammy B or even a premium CVL like Gambier Bay or the likes. The Japanese Center Force had 23 ships in it's ranks. Kumano, Suzoya, Chikuma? Maybe even some DD's?

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3 minutes ago, Halonut24 said:

So I made a topic on something similar to this something like 2 years ago(?), to some mixed results. I figured it wouldn't hurt to bring it up again, after all of the changes made to the game since then.

I was wondering if you, the community, would be interested/intrigued with a special even for the Battle of Leyte Gulf/Battle off Samar special event, with special premium ships to boot? I would imagine the largest Naval engagement in human history is bound to have a pool of desirable ships among it, yes?

They don't all have to be American ships Like the Johnston, Sammy B or even a premium CVL like Gambier Bay or the likes. The Japanese Center Force had 23 ships in it's ranks. Kumano, Suzoya, Chikuma? Maybe even some DD's?

How about zuikaku the last surviving of the six carriers during attack on pearl?

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Just now, _Dracarys said:

How about zuikaku the last surviving of the six carriers during attack on pearl?

That's an idea. Tier VIII premium IJN CV. Evens it out a bit with the American Line getting Enterprise. Not to mention they were kind of rivals the whole war.

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1 minute ago, Halonut24 said:

That's an idea. Tier VIII premium IJN CV. Evens it out a bit with the American Line getting Enterprise. Not to mention they were kind of rivals the whole war.

Zuikaku? Pretty sure enterprise had a much more famed career lol

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Picked Chikuma, just because it's another Tone-class, and because we're still waiting on CAVs and BBCVs to be a thing in-game.

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I think the DE at tier 4  would be a riot.  2 5" 38 guns.  Minimal torp armament, OK AA.  Although at 24 knots she is going to get her tail handed to her if played to aggressively.

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Picked Samuel B. Roberts and Yahagi, though I'm not sure if Samuel B. Roberts has enough in the main battery area for even T4.

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5 minutes ago, landcollector said:

Picked Samuel B. Roberts and Yahagi, though I'm not sure if Samuel B. Roberts has enough in the main battery area for even T4.

 Honestly you figure you have the reload rate of a Fletcher and tier 10 torps, you could make it work.  Kind of like shooting using a Yubari.

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7 minutes ago, landcollector said:

Picked Samuel B. Roberts and Yahagi, though I'm not sure if Samuel B. Roberts has enough in the main battery area for even T4.

Yeah, you're probably right. Almost like tier II or III, come to think of it. Have the big perk be spotting range and gun RoF. While yes, it is slow it's a little machine gun to anything that gets close. I would probably have a ton of fun with it.

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Absolutely disagree on the Samuel Roberts.  As a DE it has no place in the game, according to WG's very own words.  

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Sammy B would be a better fit at Tier 2. Top speed of 24 knots, 2 127mm guns, 1 torpedo launcher with 3 tubes. She was slow like all Destroyer Escorts because she didn't sail with the fleet, she escorted convoys of Liberty ships, or escorted CVEs which were Liberty ships with a deck put on it. Liberty ships did 12 knots, so she was much faster than her charges and submarines, but not fleet material.

Give the Smith a triple launcher and that's pretty much the Sammy B. Don't get me wrong, I admire her and her combat record, probably the ship I most admire from WW2, but she's not competitive for the game. 

The CVEs are problematical too. They did 12 knots, did not have torpedoes to load on their TBFs, only HE bombs, and only F4F Wildcats for planes. And 1/3 the number of planes as a CV. They had no armor, no watertight compartments, no armored magazines none of which matter in game. They were meant for anti-submarine work, shooting down FW 200 Condors, and ground attack. They had no strike capacity for surface ships. That was for fleet carriers. 

In fact,  the planes from the CVEs during the Battle off Samar landed on nearby islands with Marine bases so they could pick up torpedoes and AP bombs and attack the IJN fleet.

In short, they weren't called Kaiser Coffins for nothing. 

 

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35 minutes ago, _Dracarys said:

Zuikaku? Pretty sure enterprise had a much more famed career lol

Yes; but Zui survived to the effective end of the IJN, and was in many, if not all, of the same battles as Enterprise.

Considering how many times her companion CVs got shot to bits and she didn’t; Zuikaku should be ‘Lucky Z,’ to Enterprise’s ‘Lucky E.’

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46 minutes ago, Halonut24 said:

So I made a topic on something similar to this something like 2 years ago(?), to some mixed results. I figured it wouldn't hurt to bring it up again, after all of the changes made to the game since then.

I was wondering if you, the community, would be interested/intrigued with a special even for the Battle of Leyte Gulf/Battle off Samar special event, with special premium ships to boot? I would imagine the largest Naval engagement in human history is bound to have a pool of desirable ships among it, yes?

They don't all have to be American ships Like the Johnston, Sammy B or even a premium CVL like Gambier Bay or the likes. The Japanese Center Force had 23 ships in it's ranks. Kumano, Suzoya, Chikuma? Maybe even some DD's?

I see no reason for any special premium ships.  Some of these ships are already in the game because their ship class is represented in the game.

Now, if they wanted to do something like an event similar to one last year where they game away some perma camos to certain classes, that'd be fine.  They could give away perma camos for the Independence class and Mogami class.  Or the Fuso.  Or the Colorado and New Mex classes.  There are a number of ship classes in the game that were present for the various engagements in the overall battle of Leyte Gulf (including the Battle of Surigao Strait).

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3 minutes ago, Crucis said:

I see no reason for any special premium ships.  Some of these ships are already in the game because their ship class is represented in the game.

Now, if they wanted to do something like an event similar to one last year where they game away some perma camos to certain classes, that'd be fine.  They could give away perma camos for the Independence class and Mogami class.  Or the Fuso.  Or the Colorado and New Mex classes.  There are a number of ship classes in the game that were present for the various engagements in the overall battle of Leyte Gulf (including the Battle of Surigao Strait).

I do think the Battle of Surigao Strait would be a better choice than the Battle off Samar. The ships would be easier to profile and remain competitive. 

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20 minutes ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said:

I do think the Battle of Surigao Strait would be a better choice than the Battle off Samar. The ships would be easier to profile and remain competitive. 

I just don't see any reason for WG to spend the resources on premium ships for such an event.  Special event camos, OTOH, would probably be far less resource intensive, and are something they've done before.  Like that event (the WOWS anniversary event?) where they gave away 4-5 perma camos for some tier 8 ships.  This seems like a much better idea to me.  Just pick some ships that were present at Surigao Strait and come up with some special camos, and we'd be good to go, I think.

 

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Personally, I'd go for one of the Ise-class in their hybrid forms. They could operate as either BBs or CVs (with a special consumable that could act as a switch). It could be equipped with one squadron each of fighters and five bombers. I'd like to see it at tier VII provided it kept its secondary armament.

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2 minutes ago, Crucis said:

I just don't see any reason for WG to spend the resources on premium ships for such an event.  Special event camos, OTOH, would probably be far less resource intensive, and are something they've done before.  Like that event (the WOWS anniversary event?) where they gave away 4-5 perma camos for some tier 8 ships.  This seems like a much better idea to me.  Just pick some ships that were present at Surigao Strait and come up with some special camos, and we'd be good to go, I think.

 

I agree, I wouldn't spend any dev time on this.

 

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1 hour ago, Halonut24 said:

So I made a topic on something similar to this something like 2 years ago(?), to some mixed results. I figured it wouldn't hurt to bring it up again, after all of the changes made to the game since then.

I was wondering if you, the community, would be interested/intrigued with a special even for the Battle of Leyte Gulf/Battle off Samar special event, with special premium ships to boot? I would imagine the largest Naval engagement in human history is bound to have a pool of desirable ships among it, yes?

They don't all have to be American ships Like the Johnston, Sammy B or even a premium CVL like Gambier Bay or the likes. The Japanese Center Force had 23 ships in it's ranks. Kumano, Suzoya, Chikuma? Maybe even some DD's?

My answer is no.  We have too many premium ships just floating around at the moment, they are starting to dwarf the tech trees in number.  I'd rather see WGing make a historical video, or a series of Operations based on it.

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14 minutes ago, JediMasterDraco said:

Personally, I'd go for one of the Ise-class in their hybrid forms. They could operate as either BBs or CVs (with a special consumable that could act as a switch). It could be equipped with one squadron each of fighters and five bombers. I'd like to see it at tier VII provided it kept its secondary armament.

Good god, NO!!!!

They're still working on rebalancing CV.  This is no time for them to be  futzing around with an Ise hybrid.

Also, Ise class BBs were basically little more than copies of the Fuso.  They'd be tier 6 BBs.

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11 minutes ago, CLUCH_CARGO said:

If I was in charge I would give this a HARD Pass

Oh, some sort of event would be fine, as long as the rewards were minor.  The Leyte Gulf campaign is worth of note in the game.  They just don't need to create any premium ships for it.

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20 minutes ago, Crucis said:

Good god, NO!!!!

They're still working on rebalancing CV.  This is no time for them to be  futzing around with an Ise hybrid.

Also, Ise class BBs were basically little more than copies of the Fuso.  They'd be tier 6 BBs.

Hey a dragon can dream can't he? As for placing her at tier VII she could likely gain an increase to her reload, improved accuracy, etc (and before I lose my head, I'm just spitballing ideas). And furthermore, those planes she has could spot a target or torps that are fired at her.

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I was thinking the same thing last month. Make the Battle off Samar, Taffy 3, an operation as it would be unbalanced otherwise. Bogues could stand in for the Casablanca CVs, as they are similar, but Bogue has less AA. Make a T2 premium out of Samuel B as it and Smith are not too far apart. Sammy B is bigger and has two 5" instead of five 3" guns. If it was an operation for the 75th anniversary, then WG has like 19 months to work on it.

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I find myself wanting the CVL-25 Cowpens, but mostly just for the nickname as I would like to go Moo everytime I launch planes. But seeing as we already have the Independence it probably wouldn't make much sense to add it.

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2 hours ago, _Dracarys said:

Zuikaku? Pretty sure enterprise had a much more famed career lol

Both of them fought 5 carrier duels.  6 if you count the execution of Hermes, which is more than Enterprise.  Zuikaku's combat record is as impressive as Enterprise's in its own right.

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