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Dammit!  My PC has been getting testy for a while...PSU acting up, keyboard keys sometimes not working, etc.  Well, yesterday it shut off and won't come back on.  The power light will flicker and I hear a 1/2 second attempt, and it will repeat that every few seconds.  I suspect the PSU crapped out.  Of course this happens with the Aigle and French BB missions going on...

I bought this PC used 2 1/2 years ago for $250 just so I could play WoWS.

Now I think I am just going to get something new, but I don't know much about PC's.  Would any of you have time to help me out?

  1. I want to spend less than $1,000.
  2. I main WoWS, but would like to be capable of more, if needed.
  3. this is not a work PC, and I don't do anything complicated with it.
  4. I would prefer to buy it on Amazon.  I would like to have it delivered this weekend.

I have looked at several, but I don't know much about brands, etc.  Reviews on some units complain about cooling, ports, etc.  I don't care about a flashy case, I just want something that works well.

Any suggestions?  I have upvotes to give!

 

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The kind of money you are talking you could get a very sweet alienware or dell xps.

You can get a complete setup ready to run wows really well for under $100.

You wont go far wrong with any dell system mine cost approx $80 and ive upgraded it easily with a new cpu etc.

 

https://frederick.craigslist.org/sys/d/alienware-gaming-pc-x51-r2/6458406549.html

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desmo_2,

I owned my own PC shop for 12 years and would be happy to help you out.

Your budget is $1000 for "Just the tower" or does that include a monitor as well?

Thanks.

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Honestly, the best bang for your buck is to build your own. Trust me, it's not hard to do. With just research on the net, you can do it without assistance. With some experienced help, it's a piece of cake.

If you buy one outright, you're not likely going to get a lot of performance from a $1,000 computer/PC.

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2 minutes ago, Cuesta_Rey said:

Honestly, the best bang for your buck is to build your own. Trust me, it's not hard to do. With just research on the net, you can do it without assistance. With some experienced help, it's a piece of cake.

If you buy one outright, you're not likely going to get a lot of performance from a $1,000 computer/PC.

I agree however you wont get any preformance. I mean unless you use stuff thats pretty old such as

AMD 8350 $150

Geforce GTX 980/990 $400-500

motherboard ???? $200

ram 16gb of decent ram $200

True building your own PC guarantes you preformance but OP only wants a PC that can play wows and he has very small budget. Heck a older pc like the one above already will be going over budget 

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desmo_2,

Yes, the above is true - you can pick and choose your components which should give you the best reliability, performance and upgrade options, but if you don't want to build your own and want it this weekend, here are a few choices I just found on Amazon.

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y2CZKXB/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp_2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3341940462&pd_rd_wg=5Laov&pf_rd_r=4H970TRVZ5PB8AZ1JK8W&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-bottom-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B06Y2CZKXB&pd_rd_w=xQvs7&pf_rd_i=gtx+1070&pd_rd_r=f0c77647-adb2-42c3-a2b2-1ea77bfaeec6&ie=UTF8&qid=1519306970&sr=2

$719 - Prime shipping - Asus - i5-6400 - GTX970 - 1TB

https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-Processor-Graphics-Bluetooth/dp/B077RX4RKD/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1519307208&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+1070&refinements=p_89%3AAcer|Asus|LENOVO+IDEACENTRE|HP%2Cp_85%3A2470955011&dpID=41rIpxw2TwL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

$719 Prime shipping - HP Pavillon - i5-7400 - GTX1060 - 1TB HDD - no SSD

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-Computer-Quad-Core-Bluetooth/dp/B06X1B4RYM/ref=pd_day0_147_8?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B06X1B4RYM&pd_rd_r=44FRDESB4FMMYNRZ61RW&pd_rd_w=TVIXh&pd_rd_wg=beFSS&psc=1&refRID=44FRDESB4FMMYNRZ61RW

$799 Prime shipping - 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD  - Acer


https://www.amazon.com/Flagship-HP-Premium-Computer-802-11ac/dp/B07816MHG5/ref=pd_sbs_147_12?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07816MHG5&pd_rd_r=44FRDESB4FMMYNRZ61RW&pd_rd_w=yJ5tH&pd_rd_wg=beFSS&psc=1&refRID=44FRDESB4FMMYNRZ61RW

$1069 - Free shipping (no Prime) - HP Omen - 16GB - GTX 1060 - 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD 

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I would got with #3 (because of the SSD) or #4 (but $350 more) - because of the 16GB RAM and bigger SSD.  

Whichever you go with, keep in mind a standard (full size) tower is always going to give you the best options for cooling, standard power supplies and video cards fitting, etc...  The real small or odd-sized cases can be a PITA when it comes to working/upgrading them.  If you don't care what it looks like, go with a standard-size mid or full tower case.  Don't worry about liquid/water cooling or anything like that - unless you like to tinker with your PC, it's not worth it.  Also, the bigger companies (or a good local company) is genrally going to give you better warranty service/tech support than a very small brand company (with little or no US support).

Newegg.com also has some good prices and I have found that you can often buy a really inexpsensive "Refurb" business desktop PC with a good amount of RAM and CPU power for WAY LESS than you can build it for these days - you just have to upgrade the power supply (usually) and add a video card - but it sounds like you bought a used PC in the past and prob don't want to do this.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIADZE68A8696

$199 + $20 shipping for a PC with 16GB of RAM is unbeatable, however it is an older CPU and DDR3 memory - makes a decent gaming starter to build on.

Hope this helps and msg me if you have any questions.

 

Good luck, 

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OMG

if you are not a tech head and you want a steady machine that is not built up by you

 

ASUS ROG G20

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1 hour ago, JessieTheKitty said:

I agree however you wont get any preformance. I mean unless you use stuff thats pretty old such as

AMD 8350 $150

Geforce GTX 980/990 $400-500

motherboard ???? $200

ram 16gb of decent ram $200

True building your own PC guarantes you preformance but OP only wants a PC that can play wows and he has very small budget. Heck a older pc like the one above already will be going over budget 

Look...if you follow NewEgg, daily they offer huge discounts on single component items. 

1st, do your research. Find out what the best/most highly recommended budget component parts might be.

2nd, What I recommend is to follow the NewEgg specials and carefully buy your PC component parts one at a time until you have what you need to assemble your computer.  

Take your time and wait for the parts to come up on sale. You can get some huge, deeply discounted components this way.

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1 hour ago, JessieTheKitty said:

I agree however you wont get any preformance. I mean unless you use stuff thats pretty old such as

AMD 8350 $150

Geforce GTX 980/990 $400-500

motherboard ???? $200

ram 16gb of decent ram $200

True building your own PC guarantes you preformance but OP only wants a PC that can play wows and he has very small budget. Heck a older pc like the one above already will be going over budget 

If you're spending $200 for RAM and a motherboard you have a serious problem. 8350 isn't 150$ anymore I don't think.

 

What I personally suggest is something like this:

i5-8400 (~180) (https://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80684I58400-Core-i5-8400-Processor/dp/B0759FGJ3Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1519312712&sr=1-1&keywords=i5-8400)

GTX 1060 MSI 6GB GDDR5 (https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GAMING-GTX-1060-6G/dp/B01IEKYD5U) (About $425)

OR 

EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 FTW 4 GB GDDR5 (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Quieter-Graphics-04G-P4-2978-KR/dp/B00OSS0AG4) (About $400)

 

The GTX 1060 3GB (not 6GB) is 5% better than the GTX 970 on average.

 

This is the case I suggest:

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Enthoo-Tower-Chassis-PH-ES515P_BK/dp/B011A2LWZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519312690&sr=8-1&keywords=Phanteks+-+Enthoo+Pro+M+ATX+Mid+Tower+Case&dpID=41ZY3YISULL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

($80)

easy for beginners.

 

SSD: SK Hynix 120 GB (https://www.amazon.com/SK-Hynix-Memory-Internal-HFS120G32TND-N1A2A/dp/B01H5KW9W4/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1519312776&sr=1-6&keywords=SK+Hynix&dpID=31SOnTUfjkL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch) ($60)

Just one I like. Good price and good performance, but there might be better.

 

HDDhttps://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Constellation-7200RPM-Internal-ST500NM0011/dp/B005255P5I/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1519312881&sr=1-2&keywords=Seagate+Constellation+ES+ST500NM0011

($42) 

If you want a smaller and or cheaper HDD then ask someone else.

 

RAM https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-2133MHz-Non-ECC-HX421C14FBK2/dp/B00TY6A1P0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519313026&sr=8-1&keywords=Kingston+HyperX+Fury+Black+8GB+DDR4-2133

($95)

 

MoBo: https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-B250M-DS3H-LGA1151-Intel-Motherboard/dp/B01N2WG23X/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1519313071&sr=1-1&keywords=micro+atx+motherboard&refinements=p_n_feature_six_browse-bin%3A2057507011%2Cp_n_feature_seven_browse-bin%3A10656895011%2Cp_36%3A1253505011

($60)

Something cheap and easy.

                   ^not overly expensive

 

TOTAL: $927, but I'm sure with more careful choices you can get it down to $800.

What I might suggest you can get a GTX 1050 or GTX 1060 3GB instead of my suggestion, which would cut the price down a lot more. 

Cut down on the RAM price to 60 dollar 8 GB DDR4-2133 RAM.

 

 

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1 hour ago, StrixKitty said:

If you're spending $200 for RAM and a motherboard you have a serious problem. 8350 isn't 150$ anymore I don't think.

 

What I personally suggest is something like this:

i5-8400 (~180) (https://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80684I58400-Core-i5-8400-Processor/dp/B0759FGJ3Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1519312712&sr=1-1&keywords=i5-8400)

GTX 1060 MSI 6GB GDDR5 (https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GAMING-GTX-1060-6G/dp/B01IEKYD5U) (About $425)

OR 

EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 FTW 4 GB GDDR5 (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Quieter-Graphics-04G-P4-2978-KR/dp/B00OSS0AG4) (About $400)

 

The GTX 1060 3GB (not 6GB) is 5% better than the GTX 970 on average.

 

This is the case I suggest:

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Enthoo-Tower-Chassis-PH-ES515P_BK/dp/B011A2LWZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519312690&sr=8-1&keywords=Phanteks+-+Enthoo+Pro+M+ATX+Mid+Tower+Case&dpID=41ZY3YISULL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

($80)

easy for beginners.

 

SSD: SK Hynix 120 GB (https://www.amazon.com/SK-Hynix-Memory-Internal-HFS120G32TND-N1A2A/dp/B01H5KW9W4/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1519312776&sr=1-6&keywords=SK+Hynix&dpID=31SOnTUfjkL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch) ($60)

Just one I like. Good price and good performance, but there might be better.

 

HDDhttps://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Constellation-7200RPM-Internal-ST500NM0011/dp/B005255P5I/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1519312881&sr=1-2&keywords=Seagate+Constellation+ES+ST500NM0011

($42) 

If you want a smaller and or cheaper HDD then ask someone else.

 

RAM https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-2133MHz-Non-ECC-HX421C14FBK2/dp/B00TY6A1P0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519313026&sr=8-1&keywords=Kingston+HyperX+Fury+Black+8GB+DDR4-2133

($95)

 

MoBo: https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-B250M-DS3H-LGA1151-Intel-Motherboard/dp/B01N2WG23X/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1519313071&sr=1-1&keywords=micro+atx+motherboard&refinements=p_n_feature_six_browse-bin%3A2057507011%2Cp_n_feature_seven_browse-bin%3A10656895011%2Cp_36%3A1253505011

($60)

Something cheap and easy.

                   ^not overly expensive

 

TOTAL: $927, but I'm sure with more careful choices you can get it down to $800.

What I might suggest you can get a GTX 1050 or GTX 1060 3GB instead of my suggestion, which would cut the price down a lot more. 

Cut down on the RAM price to 60 dollar 8 GB DDR4-2133 RAM.

 

 

Yeh but i had a computer literally go up in smoke last time i cheaped out on ram and mobo.

now i only buy 1,000W+ PSU, at least 32gn ram that isnt cheap and is of high quality corsair/G.Skill

and mobos usually asus/evga/gigbyte im trying to find a few but eh. 

Also since you probably dont live in my country the ram most likely is a lot cheaper.

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6 hours ago, digitaljustice said:

Your budget is $1000 for "Just the tower" or does that include a monitor as well?

I have all of the peripherals (but I need to replace my keyboard, also).  None of it is high-end, but it works.  I would love to replace my 21" Samsung monitor, but that doesn't have to happen immediately.  My son is in the Navy and recently got a laptop.  Since I will likely div with him a lot I need to get a headset/mic, also.

6 hours ago, Cuesta_Rey said:

Honestly, the best bang for your buck is to build your own. Trust me, it's not hard to do. With just research on the net, you can do it without assistance. With some experienced help, it's a piece of cake.

Since mine died and I currently have nothing, and because I don't know what I am doing, I prefer to buy one ready to go.  I know tech-savvy computer people love to build them from scratch, but that isn't me.  I would like to be back on line before the weekend is over, and building my own would take a week or more by the time I got all the parts together and figured out how to assemble everything.

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RAM and video cards are pricey right now, you can go with one of the first 3 listed in my post and have enough for a monitor and new keyboard and still be under $1000.

#3 is still my choice as you get a small SSD that you can keep WoW's installed on (or another game that you are playing) for faster loading times, just keep everything else installed on the 1TB drive. 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-Computer-Quad-Core-Bluetooth/dp/B06X1B4RYM/ref=pd_day0_147_8?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B06X1B4RYM&pd_rd_r=44FRDESB4FMMYNRZ61RW&pd_rd_w=TVIXh&pd_rd_wg=beFSS&psc=1&refRID=44FRDESB4FMMYNRZ61RW

$799 Prime shipping - 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD  - Acer

 

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3 hours ago, JessieTheKitty said:

Yeh but i had a computer literally go up in smoke last time i cheaped out on ram and mobo.

now i only buy 1,000W+ PSU, at least 32gn ram that isnt cheap and is of high quality corsair/G.Skill

and mobos usually asus/evga/gigbyte im trying to find a few but eh. 

Also since you probably dont live in my country the ram most likely is a lot cheaper.

That's the fault of a crappy PSU and/or poor cooling elements, not a cheap-o motherboard and RAM. The difference between a $50 mobo and a $200 dollar one is in the style, size, and accessories, many of which you don't even need. What's the point in having x6 USB 3.0, A Firewire, Bluetooth 200.0+ Gold or something, and all the other useless things like lights and gimmicks? No point at all.

 

I'm sorry that I'm not sorry that I've cringed physically and mentally at this one. Allow me to correct: Wattage =/= quality. The reason for such poor previous PSU performance was likely because the garbage PSU you were given in a 250 dollar PC likely could did not have the quality to be put under much strain (like Gaming) and survive. I use a Silverstone 450W 80+ Gold rating and I have no troubles with a GTX 970 (quite power-hungry), an i7-4770 (also quite power-hungry), 8 GB of DDR3-1600, fans, SSD/HDD, etc. The only reason I'd ever head upwards to 500W would be because of a GTX 1070 or 1080, but they're usually more power-efficient. 

 

ASUS and Giabyte, IMO, are the best.

 

Likely. 

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33 minutes ago, StrixKitty said:

That's the fault of a crappy PSU and/or poor cooling elements, not a cheap-o motherboard and RAM. The difference between a $50 mobo and a $200 dollar one is in the style, size, and accessories, many of which you don't even need. What's the point in having x6 USB 3.0, A Firewire, Bluetooth 200.0+ Gold or something, and all the other useless things like lights and gimmicks? No point at all.

 

I'm sorry that I'm not sorry that I've cringed physically and mentally at this one. Allow me to correct: Wattage =/= quality. The reason for such poor previous PSU performance was likely because the garbage PSU you were given in a 250 dollar PC likely could did not have the quality to be put under much strain (like Gaming) and survive. I use a Silverstone 450W 80+ Gold rating and I have no troubles with a GTX 970 (quite power-hungry), an i7-4770 (also quite power-hungry), 8 GB of DDR3-1600, fans, SSD/HDD, etc. The only reason I'd ever head upwards to 500W would be because of a GTX 1070 or 1080, but they're usually more power-efficient. 

 

ASUS and Giabyte, IMO, are the best.

 

Likely. 

First of all was even talking about PSU melting, was talking about my cpu and mobo bursting into smoke.

secondly i metled 6 80+ gold 850W PSU's and that was before i streamed, overclocked and ran sli graphics.

thirdly the mobo and cpu where exactly what you said. Low costing mobos from asus. What happened you tell me. Was watching youtube when all the sudden my fire alarm started tripping. 

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Focus, people!  This is MY crisis!  :Smile_teethhappy:

I may be changing gears on this issue.  But, I'd appreciate some of your thoughts.

This is what I currently have:

MOB - msi H77MA-G43

CPU - i3 220 CPU@3.3 GHz

PSU - Dynex DX520WPS (that I think is fried)

GPU - Invidia GEForce GTX550Ti

Hard drive - WD10EARX 1.0T, 6 Gbps SATAIII, 64M cache

RAM - two Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz, 8GB (2x4GB) sticks

Case - NZXT

 

I am considering replacing the power supply.  Right now the machine powers up for a second, then shuts off.  It will then try to power up every few seconds for about 1/2 second at a time, but nothing else happens.

If this sounds like a power supply issue, which I suspect, is the rest of my build decent enough for now?  I could upgrade components over time and probably save a ton of $$ over buying a new, ready for use PC.

If I should replace the power supply, what would you suggest?

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It could be the power supply or the mainboard it sounds like.  I would start by getting a power supply from a local place like Best Buy that will return it for you if that does not fix your problem.    Get a Corsair or EVGA if you can.

You didn't list what CPU you have?

Sounds like your video card could use an upgrade after you get the power issue resolved, GTX 1060 is the best mid/high end card right now from NVidia - think they are going for around $200-$250.

Good luck bud.

 

-Dig

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37 minutes ago, digitaljustice said:

Get a Corsair or EVGA if you can.

You didn't list what CPU you have?

I am honestly not sure what CPU it has.

What size PSU?  Does bronze vs. gold matter that much?  Sorry for all the questions, but I am trying to learn this as I go.

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I would get a 500Watt (or 600-750 if you plan on getting a really high-end video card - $500+) - bronze and gold, etc...is just the efficiency rating - gold might save you 10 cents a month in electricity over the bronze, while running a little cooler, etc..

You can check your CPU in Windows System Properties (Control Panel - System)

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45 minutes ago, digitaljustice said:

You can check your CPU in Windows System Properties (Control Panel - System)

LOL...errrrr...there is a slight roadblock to that...

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7 hours ago, desmo_2 said:

I am considering replacing the power supply. 

IMO that's exactly what you should do.  Get a good one, and start researching how to spend the remaining $900+ on something like Savings Bonds.

 

The rest is fine for WoWS.  But you might want to look into adding an SSD.  Check what your motherboard supports.

 

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16 hours ago, JessieTheKitty said:

First of all was even talking about PSU melting, was talking about my cpu and mobo bursting into smoke.

secondly i metled 6 80+ gold 850W PSU's and that was before i streamed, overclocked and ran sli graphics.

thirdly the mobo and cpu where exactly what you said. Low costing mobos from asus. What happened you tell me. Was watching youtube when all the sudden my fire alarm started tripping. 

Hmm. Sounds like too high over-clocking or incorrect overclocking, that or poor cooling. If your CPU burns out then so will your motherboard. 

 

What the hell are you even doing that requires that much power? Powering your house? I've (correctly) overclocked most of my things already and a 500W wouldn't even be needed. Then again, that's not something like 980 Ti in SLI or anything. If I went SLI I might actually consider a 600-750W, but not really any higher. 

 

The Motherboard was not at fault. 

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