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Someone should look at the rng on those collection boxes...

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Got my second set of 3 boxes today and got the exact same 3 medals I got from my first set of 3 boxes. Really got me thinking with that one :cap_hmm:

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RNG is RNG. Sometimes you lose, sometimes the other team wins.

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Online gambling has a system by law called "provably fair". If loot crates are to be sold for cash, the companies selling them better have a similar system.

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2 minutes ago, NeutralState said:

Online gambling has a system by law called "provably fair". If loot crates are to be sold for cash, the companies selling them better have a similar system.

oooohhhh...interesting.  I bet dollars to donuts WG has not developed their crate algorithm in strict compliance with provably fair laws.  but can crate purchase really be defined as online gambling?  Inquiring minds would really like to know...:Smile_popcorn:

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From Cornell School of Law website:

31 U.S. Code § 5362 - Definitions:


(1)Bet or wager.—The term “bet or wager”—
(A) means the staking or risking by any person of something of value upon the outcome of a contest of others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance, upon an agreement or understanding that the person or another person will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome;
(B) includes the purchase of a chance or opportunity to win a lottery or other prize (which opportunity to win is predominantly subject to chance);
(C) includes any scheme of a type described in section 3702 of title 28;
(D) includes any instructions or information pertaining to the establishment or movement of funds by the bettor or customer in, to, or from an account with the business of betting or wagering; and

all the following are listed as being exempt from the definition of "bet or wager"...

(E) does not include—
(i) any activity governed by the securities laws (as that term is defined in section 3(a)(47) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 [1] for the purchase or sale of securities (as that term is defined in section 3(a)(10) of that Act);
(ii) any transaction conducted on or subject to the rules of a registered entity or exempt board of trade under the Commodity Exchange Act;
(iii) any over-the-counter derivative instrument;
(iv) any other transaction that—
(I) is excluded or exempt from regulation under the Commodity Exchange Act; or
(II) is exempt from State gaming or bucket shop laws under section 12(e) of the Commodity Exchange Act or section 28(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934;
(v) any contract of indemnity or guarantee;
(vi) any contract for insurance;
(vii) any deposit or other transaction with an insured depository institution;
(viii) participation in any game or contest in which participants do not stake or risk anything of value other than—
(I) personal efforts of the participants in playing the game or contest or obtaining access to the Internet; or
(II) points or credits that the sponsor of the game or contest provides to participants free of charge and that can be used or redeemed only for participation in games or contests offered by the sponsor; or
(ix) participation in any fantasy or simulation sports game or educational game or contest in which (if the game or contest involves a team or teams) no fantasy or simulation sports team is based on the current membership of an actual team that is a member of an amateur or professional sports organization (as those terms are defined in section 3701 of title 28) and that meets the following conditions:
(I) All prizes and awards offered to winning participants are established and made known to the participants in advance of the game or contest and their value is not determined by the number of participants or the amount of any fees paid by those participants.
(II) All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.
(III) No winning outcome is based—
(aa) on the score, point-spread, or any performance or performances of any single real-world team or any combination of such teams; or
(bb) solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event

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Winning the crates during actual game play looks like an exclusion item.

However, if you buy a crate with cash from the premium shop I suppose you could argue you are "staking something of value" in hopes of a happy outcome.  The happy outcome is determined by WGs random number generator.   The "happy outcome" is to win a Personal Mission that allows you to obtain a French BB.  I never really thought of buying these crates as gambling before, but I could certainly see this whole thing being defined as a form of gambling.

But than again, I thought WG had some sort of write-up regarding purchase of the French crates and that players were guaranteed obtaining an equal value of in-game loot.  If you are guaranteed prizes that are of equal value to the money you spent on purchasing the crate that's not really gambling.  Of course this is further complicated in that the game economy is completely made up by WG.  Therefore WG does its own real-world money valuation of in-game items.  

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