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Do some players not have this on or is it they just don't look at it?

Game...Solomon Islands. I in my tier 3 Boogie. Head to C. I look at minimap and I see FOUR reds lining up to run thru that strait.  I could not believe it. I am licking my chops. They gonna die!  Everyone will see this dumb move.  I break off attacking C cap and head back to strait. But I was the ONLY one who went after them.  The rest just paddled around at A and C and doing little. I killed 2 reds coming thru strait.  A DD and a Cruiser but my mates never came back to help.  Not 1. Well 2 reds made it through and I died since I was fighting 4 reds with no help....that's my excuse...heh. I am convinced some players do not have the map on or just don't check it or whatever. Hell I should have got all 4 but I don't think that would have made a difference since my mates only killed 2 red ships between all of them. No kidding. Those reds that got thru strait turned and took my guys on A from behind and they were in a focus fire from their front and rear. Well this WAS tier 3 and nothing surprises me at that level. 

There.  Just happened. Had to vent.  Rant over.  Oh, today has been 3 matches and 3 stomps. Bad day.  MINIMAP????????????

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The Mini map is a tool when used correctly it is powerful, but sometimes a player wants to use a bigger Hammer. Use the proper tool to get the job done right not the Hammer.

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I have been in a serious rut lately. I only get a couple games in a day and lately my win rate has gone down badly! Not sure if it's something I'm doing differently or I'm getting screwed by match maker.

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It can be frustrating.  I am buddies with a guy who is ridiculously good at all things DD, plays Gearing, Yueyang, high tier DD in general very well.  He's a legit purple and would be deep purple, but his problem is he is astoundingly bad when it comes to map awareness.  When me and someone else div with him and he plays DD, we have to basically be his minimap for him.  I don't understand it at all.

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2 minutes ago, WolfmanJack99 said:

I have been in a serious rut lately. I only get a couple games in a day and lately my win rate has gone down badly! Not sure if it's something I'm doing differently or I'm getting screwed by match maker.

I been in a rut also. Not sure why. Win rate dropping over past 2 weeks. Thought I was finally gonna get to 50% then the sh#t hit the fan for 2 weeks. I need to play better.  Been on tilt.

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11 minutes ago, Deviathan said:

It can be frustrating.  I am buddies with a guy who is ridiculously good at all things DD, plays Gearing, Yueyang, high tier DD in general very well.  He's a legit purple and would be deep purple, but his problem is he is astoundingly bad when it comes to map awareness.  When me and someone else div with him and he plays DD, we have to basically be his minimap for him.  I don't understand it at all.

Ya.  Tks.  This match I referred to freaked me out in that when they are lined up like DUCKS coming thru that strait on Solomon all should die if your team is alert. But none saw it or if they did they just ignored it. Wow. Also had 2 DDs at A and C. All they had to do was head back to strait (fast ships) and spam torps down that alley....

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1 minute ago, dmckay said:

Ya.  Tks.  This match I referred to freaked me out in that when they are lined up like DUCKS coming thru that strait on Solomon all should die if your team is alert. But none saw it or if they did they just ignored it. Wow. 

I think a lot of people don't even bother looking at the minimap and only pay attention to what's going on in front of their ship.  If they don't see it with a red symbol floating on the water somewhere around them, they don't notice.  Maybe I'm wrong, but this is exactly what this friend of mine does.

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2 minutes ago, Deviathan said:

I think a lot of people don't even bother looking at the minimap and only pay attention to what's going on in front of their ship.  If they don't see it with a red symbol floating on the water somewhere around them, they don't notice.  Maybe I'm wrong, but this is exactly what this friend of mine does.

I think/know you are correct. Often that is how a fast DD does a fast cap to beat you. No one sees him.  Not paying attention.

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The minimap is your best friend in this game. Tells you when to push, kite or go dark. 

Sadly at all tier levels people don't use this well. Worse is when torps are spotted 6 km away and ship's sail straight to eat them all. Zoomed in focus failure.

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Often players will be engrossed in shooting and dodging, taking life one problem at a time. They have no time to be told about the future and its issues.

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27 minutes ago, Deviathan said:

It can be frustrating.  I am buddies with a guy who is ridiculously good at all things DD, plays Gearing, Yueyang, high tier DD in general very well.  He's a legit purple and would be deep purple, but his problem is he is astoundingly bad when it comes to map awareness.  When me and someone else div with him and he plays DD, we have to basically be his minimap for him.  I don't understand it at all.

This is a reason why I don't really trust that unicums are necessarily as smart about the game as some would want to make them out to be.  Some are arrogant jerks.  Some pad their stats in divisions but may have a 5-10 percentage point WR difference between solo and division play.  Some like your friend may have map awareness issues.  Actually, this seems to be one of the stranger ones, because I'd think that good map awareness would be critical to having a good WR.  I can't see how one can have a good WR with nothing more than ship handling skills without any of the more strategic skills like map awareness.  But I suppose that there are always exceptions.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, dmckay said:

Do some players not have this on or is it they just don't look at it?

Game...Solomon Islands. I in my tier 3 Boogie. Head to C. I look at minimap and I see FOUR reds lining up to run thru that strait.  I could not believe it. I am licking my chops. They gonna die!  Everyone will see this dumb move.  I break off attacking C cap and head back to strait. But I was the ONLY one who went after them.  The rest just paddled around at A and C and doing little. I killed 2 reds coming thru strait.  A DD and a Cruiser but my mates never came back to help.  Not 1. Well 2 reds made it through and I died since I was fighting 4 reds with no help....that's my excuse...heh. I am convinced some players do not have the map on or just don't check it or whatever. Hell I should have got all 4 but I don't think that would have made a difference since my mates only killed 2 red ships between all of them. No kidding. Those reds that got thru strait turned and took my guys on A from behind and they were in a focus fire from their front and rear. Well this WAS tier 3 and nothing surprises me at that level. 

There.  Just happened. Had to vent.  Rant over.  Oh, today has been 3 matches and 3 stomps. Bad day.  MINIMAP????????????

Some people will always claim that their ships are too slow to change directions or return to base or whatever.  This is utter nonsense.  (Tried to use the word "poppyc**k", but the filter doesn't like it.  Jeez.)

First of all, ships have these wonderful things called guns.  And guns mean that you don't actually have to be on your cap to defend it.  You can be 15-20 km from your base and start shooting in many ships.

Secondly, like you point out, you have a minimap.  A person with good map awareness skills, even in the slowest ship, can recognize when a flank has fallen and can turn around BEFORE the enemy has started capping your base in Standard mode.  With good map awareness, you might have 3-5 minutes before the enemy can even reach your base, during which you can turn around your molasses slow BB and start heading back yourself.

But sadly, there are too many people who have pathetic map awareness skills and will recognize a threat only after the enemy starts capping their base.  And even THEN that's no guarantee that they'll turn around, because they (a) don't care about winning, and/or (b) they're so laser focused on shooting the enemy ship in front of them that they don't see that their base is being capped or just don't care.

 

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57 minutes ago, dmckay said:

Rant over

in my corgi account, Fuso, lure 6 red ships toward down south to A cap, where 2 more from B cap heading to A, only have 1 dd/bb escorting me .... which the Fubuki never smoke for me when I said I got 6 ppl looking at me. The rest of green team head North and cant even cap C where A/B now been taken. (MAP TYPE-NEIGHBOR)

So, I smack 2 dd/1 cruiser that was part of the group chasing me, but it is so potatoes seeing on the minimap that 9 green ships heading NORTH CORNER, see this, NORTH CORNER and then border hugging away from C cap ... so I gave up to eat the torp from the cruiser I just kill. Sorry to the Scharn that try really hard shooting me when the FUBUKI is not even smoke in my escape, bad luck to 2 dd, FUSO 12 turrets even with AP loaded is very nasty and lastly, thanks to the Furutaka, I got some nice citadel hits but in return he got the prize for sinking CC.

 

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Just now, Crucis said:

Actually, this seems to be one of the stranger ones, because I'd think that good map awareness would be critical to having a good WR

If you're good enough, you can shore up some of your deficiencies by covering it in other places.  His damage is there and he is really good at predicting where people are going to be and sending pre-emptive torps without needing them spotted, but that lack of map awareness sometimes leads to avoidable deaths (that if he were he to stay alive a bit longer, might tick over from losses to wins in some cases).  He's getting better at it, but you'd expect that to be a critical skill for someone playing DD at that level.

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5 minutes ago, Crucis said:

This is a reason why I don't really trust that unicums are necessarily as smart about the game as some would want to make them out to be.  Some are arrogant jerks.  Some pad their stats in divisions but may have a 5-10 percentage point WR difference between solo and division play.  Some like your friend may have map awareness issues.  Actually, this seems to be one of the stranger ones, because I'd think that good map awareness would be critical to having a good WR.  I can't see how one can have a good WR with nothing more than ship handling skills without any of the more strategic skills like map awareness.  But I suppose that there are always exceptions.

He probably has great torpedo prediction and knife fighting skills which allow him greater damage and cap control. Therefore he is in fact a better player.

Being able to work well in a division is a skill set on its own. One that I do not in fact have, but being bad at a single aspect of this complex game can hardly qualify one as being less than exceptional, they are simply less than perfect.

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3 minutes ago, Deviathan said:

If you're good enough, you can shore up some of your deficiencies by covering it in other places.  His damage is there and he is really good at predicting where people are going to be and sending pre-emptive torps without needing them spotted, but that lack of map awareness sometimes leads to avoidable deaths (that if he were he to stay alive a bit longer, might tick over from losses to wins in some cases).  He's getting better at it, but you'd expect that to be a critical skill for someone playing DD at that level.

Honestly, I'd expect it from anyone playing any type of ship at that high a skill level.

 

3 minutes ago, X15 said:

He probably has great torpedo prediction and knife fighting skills which allow him greater damage and cap control. Therefore he is in fact a better player.

Being able to work well in a division is a skill set on its own. One that I do not in fact have, but being bad at a single aspect of this complex game can hardly qualify one as being less than exceptional, they are simply less than perfect.

I'm not that great at playing in divisions.  Part of it probably because I play solo nearly all of the time.  I don't feel all that comfortable playing in divisions (or in platoon in WoT).  It's strange because I can do fine when playing on teams like CB's, but divisions not so much.

Maybe on teams it's because you have a caller telling you what he wants done.  Go here, go there.  Support this or that team mate, etc.  But in a division, you often have to try to find a way to fit into the flow of what the other 1 or 2 players are doing, if you want to have an effective 2 or 3 ship group.  (Playing in a division where everyone does their own thing seems to be rather pointless, since you're not leveraging the real advantage of working as a subteam within a team.  You're just 2-3 solo players calling themselves a division without any of the benefits of doing so.)

 

 

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1 hour ago, UltimateNewbie said:

Alas, not paying attention to the minimap isn’t just a problem at low tiers...

THAT's a BIG 10/4!

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1 hour ago, dmckay said:

Do some players not have this on or is it they just don't look at it?

Game...Solomon Islands. I in my tier 3 Boogie. Head to C. I look at minimap and I see FOUR reds lining up to run thru that strait.  I could not believe it. I am licking my chops. They gonna die!  Everyone will see this dumb move.  I break off attacking C cap and head back to strait. But I was the ONLY one who went after them.  The rest just paddled around at A and C and doing little. I killed 2 reds coming thru strait.  A DD and a Cruiser but my mates never came back to help.  Not 1. Well 2 reds made it through and I died since I was fighting 4 reds with no help....that's my excuse...heh. I am convinced some players do not have the map on or just don't check it or whatever. Hell I should have got all 4 but I don't think that would have made a difference since my mates only killed 2 red ships between all of them. No kidding. Those reds that got thru strait turned and took my guys on A from behind and they were in a focus fire from their front and rear. Well this WAS tier 3 and nothing surprises me at that level. 

There.  Just happened. Had to vent.  Rant over.  Oh, today has been 3 matches and 3 stomps. Bad day.  MINIMAP????????????

Don't feel bad. Just played a game with Yam, I am driving Hindi, get in fight, Yam has Di Die'd big time. I got reamed!

 

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Don't be afraid to try to draw attention to what your seeing.  Use chat, double-click the area on the mini-map and use the "target this ship" feature in the canned chat.  Unfortunately it won't always work, but sometimes you just need to wake people up and get them out of their tunnel vision.

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14 hours ago, DreadRaybo said:

Don't be afraid to try to draw attention to what your seeing.  Use chat, double-click the area on the mini-map and use the "target this ship" feature in the canned chat.  Unfortunately it won't always work, but sometimes you just need to wake people up and get them out of their tunnel vision.

Yes....very good advice...if they take note. But sometimes in random the self-appointed admiral will ping things I disagree with. BUT, the ones who know what they are doing can indeed be helpful.

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I use the minimap alot.  I have actually ran aground before because I was watching the minimap more than the main view, and hit an outcropping that didn't show up in the minimap.  That was a while ago and now I still use it but keep a better eye on my trajectory in my main view.  LOL.

I like to see a bunch of ships coming through a known bottleneck.  You know you have a big advantage, so take it.  Its a free chance to deal big damage with little chance of getting damaged back.  I will almost always turn back to help, because I know most won't.  Its frustrating when you are chatting to protect the base, and everyone keeps moving away.  Then the few ships protecting it get overrun by overwhelming odds, and still no help.  Now the enemy team is both capping and pinching our team.  Its over, and our remaining players still don't realize what has happened.  They think they have done everything right, because their damage farming has put their XP above the average of most other players on the team.  However, that's only because they lived longer dealing useless damage when the game was already over.

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