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I am taking advantage of the free commander respec to change some things around. What do you think of RDF on an Atago? I tried it out last game and it came in handy for spotting a DD that had ran around behind us and for telling the team to not bother chasing it as it had turned around and headed back. This may well have done considerable good for the team because by not having to chase the DD I was able to stay and torpedo, and sank four ships. 

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I think you can get away with that on Atago builds, there aren't more than 15 "must have" skills.

My base captain of Atago/Zao is:

  1. PT
  2. AR / EM
  3. SI / DE
  4. CE

After that, you could run either AFT, RDF, or El+Vig. 

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It's such a situational skill that I don't feel it's worth the 4 points except on DD hunting DDs or specialist CB builds (like Zao).  I run it on my Gearing and Z52, but not much else.  I feel the points could be better used on Atago for other stuff like vigilance, conceal, DE, SI, EM, AR etc.

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1 minute ago, RightYouAreKen said:

It's such a situational skill that I don't feel it's worth the 4 points except on DD hunting DDs or specialist CB builds (like Zao).  I run it on my Gearing and Z52, but not much else.  I feel the points could be better used on Atago for other stuff like vigilance, conceal, DE, SI, EM, AR etc.

Once you run it on destroyers it becomes so hard not to want to run it on every dd you have. I went through with this respect and now have it on all my current dd captains who have enough points.

 

 

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I'd personally never run RDF on any cruiser, as I think the benefits of those 4 skill points are much more useful in other upgrades.

Atago has 9.1km concealment, but that still means every DD out there will be able to see you coming far before you're able to stalk and prey on them.

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27 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

I am taking advantage of the free commander respec to change some things around. What do you think of RDF on an Atago? I tried it out last game and it came in handy for spotting a DD that had ran around behind us and for telling the team to not bother chasing it as it had turned around and headed back. This may well have done considerable good for the team because by not having to chase the DD I was able to stay and torpedo, and sank four ships. 

Tho I don’t have RDF in use on anything other than DDs, I could see it being useful in cruisers w/ long range torps for locating a DD in smoke for a torp spread or when serving as a flanking guard against a hidden DD trying to flank your BB group.

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Not a bad skill, but 4 points is a lot on my DD builds.  There are a lot of better choices (for me) to add  the survivability or offensive capabilities by spending points on other skills.  Have never used on Cruisers, but same thinking applies.

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2 minutes ago, hangglide42 said:

Tho I don’t have RDF in use on anything other than DDs, I could see it being useful in cruisers w/ long range torps for locating a DD in smoke for a torp spread or when serving as a flanking guard against a hidden DD trying to flank your BB group.

The Atago has ten km range torps and also is pretty fast. It can send out a pretty good wall of torps (16) all by itself -- What I'm thinking is that RDF would let me know if a cap or smoke screen was empty or if it was occupied.

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I put RDF on my Kutuzov captain and now couldn't live without it.  The ability to run down DDs is much appreciated and the heads-up on sneaky DDs trying to get around you for a blind side torpedo shot is worth the 4 points.  

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RPF is a skill that depends heavily on the player using it. Sounds like you are a player who knows how to use the information it gives, so it should be quite effective.

 

On the Atago, it is a bit of a mixed bag. The IJN guns fire and turn slow, so that diminishes the benefits of the ship as a DD hunter using this skill. On the other hand, you have the concealment to use it against other Cruisers. While I am on record stating how powerful this skill is, I would say get it on an Atago specifically only if you do not want to boost its AA. That's a personal choice as the AA isn't going to be great either way, but could be useful to have every bit you can grab if you plan on working alone.

 

One thing to consider is that the Atago is a Premium, so you might spec a second captain with other skills and use them as you need. That way, you can chose to have RPF or not before queing up.

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It's a must-have for IJN destroyers to avoid fights with better gunboats, but situational for everything else.

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I put RPF on my Hindenburg because I really had no good ideas about my last 4 points. I've found it to actually be quite useful in directing the attention of my guns in the early stages of the game, and it works very well in harmony with Hindenburg's Hydro. It makes charging down smoke and islands significantly more efficient. It's also alerted me to a number a braver enemies who try to go hyper aggressive in DDs.

I can't honestly say it's worth 4 points, but it isn't worthless. The more you use it the more useful it seems to become.

But I'll probably be dropping it with the free respec.

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11 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

The Atago has ten km range torps and also is pretty fast. It can send out a pretty good wall of torps (16) all by itself -- What I'm thinking is that RDF would let me know if a cap or smoke screen was empty or if it was occupied.

I've considered what you're thinking myself - just haven't pulled the trigger.   My thoughts were, if I saw a DD smoked in cap, RDF would help me localize where in the smoke i could focus a torp spread (w/ my Takao, I could put 8 torps in a localized portion of the smoke from 1 side).  Also, when I do a flanking action, I currently try to put myself in the mind of the DD captain to try to herd him/her away from the BB group - since I started using RDF on a number of my higher tier DDs, I can see it being really useful for hunting that pesky flanking DD that's trying to torp our friendly BB group - especially if my cruiser doesn't have anything that more greatly benefits it beyond say a 14-15 pt captain.

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RPF is great for IJN DDs, and the few gunship DDs who do focus on cap contesting (KM/USN DDs) rather than burning a ship down to nothing (VMF DDs).

I find it situationally useful on some cruisers; the MN Cruisers could make use of it with their speed boost to chase down and harass a DD attempting to circle behind, or on IJN cruisers setting up a blind torpedo launch before following in behind their own torps.

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I always thought it was worthless, then I saw in Flambass' streams that his clan (with Flamu) uses it quite effectively in clan battles & ranked. 

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If you can survive to the end of the battle, and facing a well concealed DD...  It's a God-like feature.

In between that, you can tell if a nearby smoke cloud is empty or occupied.

You can get a good guess where to aim your guns - well in advance of enemy detection.

And most important...   You get to FREAK OUT smart destroyer operators into playing it safe - since they know someone has eyes on them.

If I have a 14 point DD or cruiser captain -- it's in there.

 

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8 minutes ago, Comrade_Nemo said:

I always thought it was worthless, then I saw in Flambass' streams that his clan (with Flamu) uses it quite effectively in clan battles & ranked. 

Same here, after watching CatonBoard use it on his Des Moines and Hindy, I use it as well.

In the long run, on dd's, I have missed more torps than hit because of RL (RPF) from the indicator telling my target they are closest. Watch a Yamato zig zag like an antelope once the indicator shows he is closest.........As for IJN dd's they really aren't capping specialists anyway do to lack of gun boating and how long the torp reload is. I would just as soon not tell any one that I am close. But it does has value.

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Something no one has mentioned. 

 

I have used RDF againts the operator with great success (AKA , because the captain is using RDF I can use the fact that I am located against him) 

 

Pop quiz, you are approaching a cap in a DD , you are RDF located.

 

The enemy team has a Shima, Gearing , Fletcher. 

 

How much you wanna bet its the Shima approaching A? 

Happened to me last night...

 

Approaching A in my Gearing, RDF located. 

*look at the team comp, see a Shima. 

Announce to team mates.

"Hey gents, I am RDF located, probably the Shima moving to A keep an eye out for torps."

Wilco / affirmative

Everyone is on alert for torpedoes now, making the Shims life very difficult. 

My 2 Radar cruisers prepare to gank the Shim as he caps. 

I position myself in the cap that when my concealment gets hit by the Shim, I have a very good escape plan in  place. 

How does it roll out? 

 

Shim and I get lit, He's coming in I am going out.  

He smokes right away, I hold my fire.

Both radar cruisers have guns trained on cap, start cycling consumables

*Sunk Shima. 

 

Keep this in mind when going for RDF. 

As much as it provides vital information for the operator, it also provides vital information on your concealed location to the Located Target. You can deduce were exactly a DD is based off how you are RDF'ed. 

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Sometimes i forget that RDF is even a thing.  I remember a big stink about how all BBs are going to know exactly where the torps are gonna come from and cruisers can go straight to the ambushing DD but i really dont see RdF being a factor in most outcomes.  Certainly not nearly as broken as the anti cloak victory system that Radar ended up becoming.

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Waste of four points in 95% of cases. Maybe if it were three points, or two.

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2 minutes ago, Lert said:

Waste of four points in 95% of cases. Maybe if it were three points, or two.

Yeah let's just give it to battleships for free so they can never be hit by torpedoes.

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Very good for aggressive style play. Probably not worth 4 points though. 

 

RDF, probably should be standard on certain class/nation's ships. 

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