US carriers vs. IJN carriers

[YzrC]

With the new update they made US carriers the top of the food chain again, starting at ranger I believe, you gain access to a 1/1/2 rather than a 1/1/1 that was standard for everything. But you can’t swap in for a 2/0/1 anymore, as the drawback of this new update. But it will get better. At Lexington(Tier 8) you may upgrade your DIVE bombers to equip AP bombs that can deal massive damage. These bombs were on the enterprise(Tier 8 premium carrier). At tier 9 (Essex), you have a 2/1/2, which is powerfull. Drawback, and it’s a big one, the fighters for the Essex only are stock tier 8’s and you cannot get tier 9 fighters. One thing is that the torpedo bombers past Lexington STAY at tier 8, with no upgrades to 9 or 10. But of course at Essex you can still get those AP bombs with tier 9 DB. Midway is probably the most beneficial from this update as it has a 2/2/2. With stock T9 fighters that can be upgraded to T10. Course you only have tier 8 torpedo bombers, but torpedo damage does not increase with tier. And you still get those awesome tier 10 AP dive bombers. In my opinion. Go USN as the AP bombs wreck havoc against most battleships and some cruisers, and the bombs have a INSANLY SMALL targeting reticule, that can be smaller than the superstructures on most battle ships. But you only get them at tier 8 and up. Moving on. IJN, where to start. Easy way to say how the play is swarm the skies. These carriers have a really good amount of squadrons. But that comes at a cost. When IJN fighters take a squadron of USN fighters, the USN’s are going to win, as the squadron capacity for all USN carriers is 6, beating the IJN’s 4. Plus the USN planes ( all types ) do more damage and more health. But since IJN has a 2 fighter load out that puts it a 6v8. I can’t say much more because I only really made it up to Lexington and never played a IJN carrier before. But the grind to the tier 8 Lexington is worth it because when you go into the first battle with your AP bombers bought ( point, you get stock HE so then you can upgrade them to the tier above with HE OR AP ) you can deal a CRAZY amount of damage on a battleship draining almost 7/8 of its health for certain types and if you get a good hit.

[YzrC]

And just a heads up for those Bismarck players is that your deck armor is pretty squishy, I’ve sunk a Bismarck still at 7/8 of his health with a good hit from 14 AP dive bombers 

[Trash_Taste_In_Waifus]

16 minutes ago, Gamegunner said:

And just a heads up for those Bismarck players is that your deck armor is pretty squishy, I’ve sunk a Bismarck still at 7/8 of his health with a good hit from 14 AP dive bombers 

Thats becuase it was made for it and you are way to late to this party.

 

23 minutes ago, Gamegunner said:

With the new update they made US carriers the top of the food chain again, starting at ranger I believe, you gain access to a 1/1/2 rather than a 1/1/1 that was standard for everything. But you can’t swap in for a 2/0/1 anymore, as the drawback of this new update. But it will get better. At Lexington(Tier 8) you may upgrade your DIVE bombers to equip AP bombs that can deal massive damage. These bombs were on the enterprise(Tier 8 premium carrier). At tier 9 (Essex), you have a 2/1/2, which is powerfull. Drawback, and it’s a big one, the fighters for the Essex only are stock tier 8’s and you cannot get tier 9 fighters. One thing is that the torpedo bombers past Lexington STAY at tier 8, with no upgrades to 9 or 10. But of course at Essex you can still get those AP bombs with tier 9 DB. Midway is probably the most beneficial from this update as it has a 2/2/2. With stock T9 fighters that can be upgraded to T10. Course you only have tier 8 torpedo bombers, but torpedo damage does not increase with tier. And you still get those awesome tier 10 AP dive bombers. In my opinion. Go USN as the AP bombs wreck havoc against most battleships and some cruisers, and the bombs have a INSANLY SMALL targeting reticule, that can be smaller than the superstructures on most battle ships. But you only get them at tier 8 and up. Moving on. IJN, where to start. Easy way to say how the play is swarm the skies. These carriers have a really good amount of squadrons. But that comes at a cost. When IJN fighters take a squadron of USN fighters, the USN’s are going to win, as the squadron capacity for all USN carriers is 6, beating the IJN’s 4. Plus the USN planes ( all types ) do more damage and more health. But since IJN has a 2 fighter load out that puts it a 6v8. I can’t say much more because I only really made it up to Lexington and never played a IJN carrier before. But the grind to the tier 8 Lexington is worth it because when you go into the first battle with your AP bombers bought ( point, you get stock HE so then you can upgrade them to the tier above with HE OR AP ) you can deal a CRAZY amount of damage on a battleship draining almost 7/8 of its health for certain types and if you get a good hit.

No no no no no no no no.

langley vs hoso: Hoso wins eveerytime.

zuiho vs bouge. Bouge is slow and easy to strike. Zuiho is sleathy and able to send strikes quickly and efficently. Zuiho also is able to knock bouges fighters down with ease.

ryuijo vs independance. Ryuijo has larger hanger and able to send more strikes for longer. Independance is slow and limited to what it can strike. It has trouble with its poor hanger size which leads to planes running dry often.

hiryu vs ranger. LOL ranger is the worse tier 7 without a doubt. Hanger is decent but your terms of striking power and fighters lack heavily. Hiryu however has execellent ability to strike and can easily fighter back ranger with two or three fiter squads.

shokaku vs lexington. This one is just dirty. Lexington is easily the worse CV in the game. It wouldnt even do good in tier 7.... Shokaku however with great glourious japanese hanger size and the ability to have two or three fighters can trump lexington with EASE. 

Taiho vs essex. This is just dirty... So dirty... Taiho can easily go and take a sh*t on the essex's captains day. With 2/3 fighters to essex's two. They just dont stand a chance. Plus with AS upgrade taiho still gets 3 fighters and two torpedos. 

Hakaryu vs midway. Hakaryu is called skyhammer for a reason. Anything that goes up to her will be squashed like a bug. Midway has limited ability to fight back from her (and as of thursday februray 8th) that ability will be nerfed to shi*. Midway will no longer be able to habe a say in battles. The USN Carrier line is soo nerfed its not even funny anymore. Oh and AP dive bombers? Yeh thats your only real source of damage and those dont even really affect higher tier battleships.

 

 

Edit:  ap bombers are only good against tier 7/8 bb's and tier 9/10 cruisers everything else is a joke. You barley get 20k dmg dropping ap bombs on a grosser

[RaidenEiBaal]

43 minutes ago, RiverTheIdiot said:

Thats becuase it was made for it and you are way to late to this party.

 

No no no no no no no no.

langley vs hoso: Hoso wins eveerytime.

zuiho vs bouge. Bouge is slow and easy to strike. Zuiho is sleathy and able to send strikes quickly and efficently. Zuiho also is able to knock bouges fighters down with ease.

ryuijo vs independance. Ryuijo has larger hanger and able to send more strikes for longer. Independance is slow and limited to what it can strike. It has trouble with its poor hanger size which leads to planes running dry often.

hiryu vs ranger. LOL ranger is the worse tier 7 without a doubt. Hanger is decent but your terms of striking power and fighters lack heavily. Hiryu however has execellent ability to strike and can easily fighter back ranger with two or three fiter squads.

shokaku vs lexington. This one is just dirty. Lexington is easily the worse CV in the game. It wouldnt even do good in tier 7.... Shokaku however with great glourious japanese hanger size and the ability to have two or three fighters can trump lexington with EASE. 

Taiho vs essex. This is just dirty... So dirty... Taiho can easily go and take a sh*t on the essex's captains day. With 2/3 fighters to essex's two. They just dont stand a chance. Plus with AS upgrade taiho still gets 3 fighters and two torpedos. 

Hakaryu vs midway. Hakaryu is called skyhammer for a reason. Anything that goes up to her will be squashed like a bug. Midway has limited ability to fight back from her (and as of thursday februray 8th) that ability will be nerfed to shi*. Midway will no longer be able to habe a say in battles. The USN Carrier line is soo nerfed its not even funny anymore. Oh and AP dive bombers? Yeh thats your only real source of damage and those dont even really affect higher tier battleships.

 

 

Edit:  ap bombers are only good against tier 7/8 bb's and tier 9/10 cruisers everything else is a joke. You barley get 20k dmg dropping ap bombs on a grosser

Ha, no

Do you know how many Japanese fighters I've shot down in Bogue.

Too many to count.

I agree the Jap carriers are a pain to hit because they are fast, meanwhile US carriers are battleships in terms of speed.

There was a reason why Wargaming nerfed the US carriers, it's because they can rip the hearts out of enemy ships and force all other planes to explode.

Tbh, this is one of the dumbest things I've seen all day.

[GrimmeReaper]

I have had Zuiho Drivers stop sending out planes when I am in the Bogue.  Once you get the first set of fighters down, you totally own the Zuiho.  Then it just a matter of working over his strike planes.

[Trash_Taste_In_Waifus]

1 hour ago, XX_Emeraldking_XX said:

Ha, no

Do you know how many Japanese fighters I've shot down in Bogue.

Too many to count.

I agree the Jap carriers are a pain to hit because they are fast, meanwhile US carriers are battleships in terms of speed.

There was a reason why Wargaming nerfed the US carriers, it's because they can rip the hearts out of enemy ships and force all other planes to explode.

Tbh, this is one of the dumbest things I've seen all day.

So your saying your able to beat zuiho in the new bouge? Lol. That must be one hellva dumb bouge. USN Carriers are ultimately garbage now. Sure you couldve done good before they fixed it but now its horrible

[Trash_Taste_In_Waifus]

1 hour ago, gcangel82 said:

I have had Zuiho Drivers stop sending out planes when I am in the Bogue.  Once you get the first set of fighters down, you totally own the Zuiho.  Then it just a matter of working over his strike planes.

Thats their fault for not knowing how to play, having  both i can say which has been able to do certain jobs and since the patch IJN is trumping USN. The only one that comes close is current skillway vs skyhammer. But they nerfing that tomorrow

[RaidenEiBaal]

But everybody, we are forgetting the best CV of them all!

Graf...Zeppelin

lol sarcasm

but really Wargaming is working on fixing this thing but how can you screw an aircraft carrier up this bad

It's worse than the worse features on the Jap and US CVs combined

[YzrC]

RiverTheldiot, stop dissing all the US carriers. People can choose because IJN sucks in the Air to Air but makes up in the sriking power against ships. So plz stop making people made on this forum.

 

 

[YzrC]

RiverTheldiot, stop dissing all the US carriers. People can choose because IJN sucks in the Air to Air but makes up in the sriking power against ships. So plz stop making people made on this forum.

[YzrC]

I feel like they are balanced now. Not on the lower tiers but at higher they sorta work out, since Midway and Essex get nerfed planes they sorta get meh planes but it’s easy for them to gain 10% with the commander skill at tier 1, allowing them to do 10% more damage per tier the Japanese planes 1 up. Especially because at midway the alpha damage is more then  the tier 10 IJN, as the midway gets a 2/2/2. Even though the TBs are tier 8 air launched torpedo damage does not increase with tier, and that DBs and TBs for the USN cvs still dish more alpha than the IJN counterparts, this is a wierd “switch”. Normally the IJN would be the strike carrier but at tier 10 the IJN cv is more of the air combat carrier and the midway is the strike carrier.

[ramenluvr11]

Okay iv'e been playing a lot with the Lexington and no the IJN carriers do not suck at air to air. in a 1v1 yes the USN will win every time. but its not a 1v1. lexington has 1 fighter 1 bomber 1 torp. ryojo has 3 fighter, 1 torp, and 1 bomber. in a 3 to 1 fight the USN ALWAYS loses. i have won as a Lexington against a ryojo. but only when the ryojo splits up his fighters and i get them alone. even in a 2v1 my  fighters still lose wihtout aa from ally ships.