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I read USN CV Midway fighters will be nerf to T9 next patch. So new Midway will have the following loadouts.

T9 Fighters, T8 Torpedo bombers and T10 Dive Bombers

So why are we still calling Midway a T10 CV when most of her planes are T8 and T9??? Why not remove CV tech trees completely if dev are struggling this much to balance the class? Just keep the premiums for both nations and introduce submarines???

 

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19 minutes ago, SoftAndCute said:

 

T9 Fighters, T8 Torpedo bombers and T10 Dive Bombers

So why are we still calling Midway a T10 CV when most of her planes are T8 and T9??? Why not remove CV tech trees completely if dev are struggling this much to balance the class? Just keep the premiums for both nations and introduce submarines???

 

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now as for midway this is bull crap.

now Hakuryu's Bombers will be faster then Midways fighters...

 

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24 minutes ago, SoftAndCute said:

I read USN CV Midway fighters will be nerf to T9 next patch. So new Midway will have the following loadouts.

T9 Fighters, T8 Torpedo bombers and T10 Dive Bombers

So why are we still calling Midway a T10 CV when most of her planes are T8 and T9??? Why not remove CV tech trees completely if dev are struggling this much to balance the class? Just keep the premiums for both nations and introduce submarines???

 

Same reason Kaga is tier 7 with all tier 6 planes.

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18 minutes ago, Admiral_Reeves said:

No Subs.

Game needs subs 

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11 minutes ago, SoftAndCute said:

Are you saying Midway can spam her TB like Kaga with quick rearm time with huge reserve? I will ignore the concealment for now which will also impact the flight time to target and return trip.

 

How (or why) did you quote from another thread??

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4 minutes ago, AspiringCodger said:

How (or why) did you quote from another thread??

Ah ... dunno. First time I said it.

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The reason is simple. Midway in an above avg hand is just too OP

Consider the following scenarios:

1. Midway can dev strike a full AA spec DM with Def AA on

2. Midway can dev strike a full AA Montana 

3. Midway can dev strike a German T8/9 BB with just dive bombers 

4. Midway can kill any DD without def AA as if spotting is not enough to get them killed 

5...the list goes on...

To put in a simple fact 

if CV on your team is inferior to the CV on the other team, you are going to have a extremely painful game experience. There is no way a game allows that one CV player enjoys the game while the entire enemy team feels like sh*t. 

 

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31 minutes ago, TangledThorns said:

I don't get it either. Why not just buff the Haku's planes instead??

They seem to be extremely unwilling to touch the IJN line of CV's.  No idea why.

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1 minute ago, Plaatduutsch said:

The reason is simple. Midway in an above avg hand is just too OP

Hakuryu in above average hand is not? and your reason for this is?

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Just now, SoftAndCute said:

Hakuryu in above average hand is not? and your reason for this is?

Similar skilled Hakuryu is less likely to win a similar skilled Midway. Just take a look at the stats. SIR.

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1 minute ago, Plaatduutsch said:

Similar skilled Hakuryu is less likely to win a similar skilled Midway. Just take a look at the stats. SIR.

Do you take more high schools classes than college level classes in college?

CV called  T10 now has more T8/9 planes than T10.

SIR

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5 minutes ago, Plaatduutsch said:

Similar skilled Hakuryu is less likely to win a similar skilled Midway. Just take a look at the stats. SIR.

Oh just talking about stat. Stat represents a large pool of inexperienced players.

How did un-nerf Midway perform perform in actual competitive matches against Hak? How did it do during weekends finals? Whats the top CV pick in actual competitive plays?

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Once again WG misses the boat...

Midway was over-performing. So instead of directly dealing with that fact, they instead made a change that will only affect Midway's performance when played against an IJN opponent.

This fails to address Midway's over-performance against every ship that it attacks.

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2 minutes ago, FleetAdmiral_Assassin said:

Once again WG misses the boat...

Midway was over-performing. So instead of directly dealing with that fact, they instead made a change that will only affect Midway's performance when played against an IJN opponent.

This fails to address Midway's over-performance against every ship that it attacks.

why can't they buff INJ planes a bit. it sucks to drive a T10 CV made of mostly planes that are not T10, after all the grinding.

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Just now, FleetAdmiral_Assassin said:

Once again WG misses the boat...

Midway was over-performing. So instead of directly dealing with that fact, they instead made a change that will only affect Midway's performance when played against an IJN opponent.

This fails to address Midway's over-performance against every ship that it attacks.

And here is the real heart of the issue and why the Midway WILL be getting another nerf.  The idea behind this nerf was to allow the Hak to deal with and mitigate the damage the Midway is capable of dealing.  The problem with that is that the Midway is STILL going to be beating strike Hak and it was always losing out to the AS Hak and this does nothing to address her strike capabilities against seaward targets.  

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17 minutes ago, SoftAndCute said:

Do you take more high schools classes than college level classes in college?

CV called  T10 now has more T8/9 planes than T10.

SIR

I don’t see that an issue. Kaga’s main striking forces are also lower than Tier 7 and it doesn’t make Kaga a bad Tier 7 CV at all ( a premium one too! ). If you just want to treat all other surface ships as bots and drop them why don’t you just play against bots? Nowadays it’s either got wrecked by CV or spec for full AA.

oh wait, full AA can’t save you! 

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9 minutes ago, Plaatduutsch said:

I don’t see that an issue. Kaga’s main striking forces are also lower than Tier 7 and it doesn’t make Kaga a bad Tier 7 CV at all ( a premium one too! ). If you just want to treat all other surface ships as bots and drop them why don’t you just play against bots? Nowadays it’s either got wrecked by CV or spec for full AA. 

Kaga can spam her TB from her large reserve with quick rearm time. Besides Kaga (and all IJN CV) has good concealment to follow her fleet so flight time to target and to rearm her planes are quite short, plus having her fleet close by can counter DD and attack planes with fleet AA. That is the reason Kaga is a good CV because her special buff compensate her lower tier planes. Enterprise is the other way around, she has large reserve for fighters so its's effectively an AS CV with TB and DB two squads each. Midway doesn't have any unique advantage over her IJN counterpart Hakyuru, or anything special to compensate her mostly lower tier planes.

Your argument with bots and AA are good points but are irrelevant to the issue of USN-IJN CV balance issue.

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4 minutes ago, SoftAndCute said:

 

Kaga can spam her TB from her large reserve with quick rearm time. Besides Kaga (and all IJN CV) has good concealment to follow her fleet so flight time to target and to rearm her planes are quite short, plus having her fleet close by can counter DD and attack planes with fleet AA. That is the reason Kaga is a good CV because her special buff compensate her lower tier planes. Enterprise is the other way around, she has large reserve for fighters so its's effectively an AS CV with TB and DB two squads each. Midway doesn't have any unique advantage over her IJN counterpart Hakyuru, or anything special to compensate her mostly lower tier planes.

Your argument with bots and AA are good points but are irrelevant to the issue of USN-IJN CV balance issue.

Kaga has higher than tier reserve. Check!

Isnt Midway also have higher reserves? In fact, Kaga has 18% more planes than Hiryu and it is a premium CV. Midway has 37% more planes than Hakuryu. 

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41 minutes ago, Plaatduutsch said:

The reason is simple. Midway in an above avg hand is just too OP

Consider the following scenarios:

1. Midway can dev strike a full AA spec DM with Def AA on

2. Midway can dev strike a full AA Montana 

3. Midway can dev strike a German T8/9 BB with just dive bombers 

4. Midway can kill any DD without def AA as if spotting is not enough to get them killed 

5...the list goes on...

To put in a simple fact 

if CV on your team is inferior to the CV on the other team, you are going to have a extremely painful game experience. There is no way a game allows that one CV player enjoys the game while the entire enemy team feels like sh*t. 

 

1. false

2. true, but its a bb

3. kind true, but only work with that ship

4. any cv can do that.

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1 minute ago, HyenaHiena said:

1. false

2. true, but its a bb

3. kind true, but only work with that ship

4. any cv can do that.

1 is true

just check some videos and GIFs

DM 76.2mm AA is very fragile.

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3 minutes ago, Plaatduutsch said:

1 is true

just check some videos and GIFs

DM 76.2mm AA is very fragile.

With the Def AA on is false.

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But you most talk about ap bombs... they are 'extreme powerful' BUT only vs some ships (DM, moskva, henri, german bbs t8/9) and is almost "useless" vs the rest.

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