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What are these small guns on Dunkerque's turrets?

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You can see small guns flanking Dunkerque's turrets, mounted to the extended base plate. They seem to have some measure of importance as they have ladders towards them and a small walkway for crew to use them. Although limited, they do seem to be built to have a measure of traverse and elevation.

They're not part of the ship's secondary suite nor are they AA guns.

Their mounting location tells me they're not intended to be used when the main battery is active; the muzzle blast from #2 turret would kill the crew operating these small guns on #1 turret.

I don't think they're small caliber guns for taking out small targets since the way they're mounted limits their own traverse and requires the ship to traverse its main turrets.

Are they saluting guns? Perhaps used for naval reviews? Do they fire illumination shells?

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My guess (my totally uneducated guess) would be it's something to do with aiming, maybe flares like you suggested.

Are they only on that camo? Or do they show up on the standard camo too? Never noticed them before.

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They might be training guns like the ones mounted on the Kongo stock hull.  They match the elevations of the main guns and can be used for gunnery practice without expending large calibre shells.

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They are visually very similar to those for illumination shells on Roma.

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If not for illumination, I'd guess they're just saluting guns.

Edit: In fact as the 130mm's have a starshell round listed and are therefore capable of firing it, plus the requirement to loft the illumination rounds a decent distance I'm going to go entirely with saluting guns.

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11 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

Are they only on that camo? Or do they show up on the standard camo too?

On the standard camo too.

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I suspect saluting/illumination guns, since they're mounted independent of the main guns compared to the training/aiming adjustment guns on Fuso's barrels.

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They are practice guns for loading. They were added a few patches back.

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Well, they look like 47mm AT guns. They've got no fire control aside from possible open sights, no ammo lockers on the platform with them, they're probably saluting guns.

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@LertI think they are 37/50 M1925 anti aircraft guns in single mount.  I found a reference stating that temporarily the Dunkirque had six of them "2 of which were mounted abeam of turret II".  They hadn't yet mounted the twin  37mm's M1933 version. Took some digging.

See  French Battleships 1922-1956 By John Jordan, Robert Dumas  Attached a photo below from Google images.

 

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They are "sub-caliber 90 mm guns" again from the French Battleship book cited above.The French apparently had 47 mm saluting guns , so these may have had a training purpose

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