1,115 Wolcott Alpha Tester 2,552 posts Report post #1 Posted February 2, 2018 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
593 [BS] HorrorRoach Members 2,044 posts 12,783 battles Report post #2 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Ok, I want them now. Where's the dang Aigle too? My wallet is quivering. Edited February 2, 2018 by HorrorRoach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,947 battles Report post #3 Posted February 2, 2018 So Cossack gets detection on par with the IJN and Asashio gets worthless torpedoes that can't threaten its primary predators. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
166 [AK-47] Plaatduutsch Members 568 posts 12,445 battles Report post #4 Posted February 2, 2018 Still Meh ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
196 [KFL] Condor_Legion Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 627 posts 15,340 battles Report post #5 Posted February 2, 2018 Aigle will be out (my guess) 9th February. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,203 GhostSwordsman Members 6,604 posts 8,658 battles Report post #6 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Well, I was going to buy Asashio so I'd have a T8 IJN DD that can train regular DD captains(Harekaze is more useful with a dedicated Akeno or Akizuki's captain). But if this stays, or Asashio doesn't also get the ability to mount Kagero's torps, then WG just lost a sale. Edited February 2, 2018 by GhostSwordsman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
593 [BS] HorrorRoach Members 2,044 posts 12,783 battles Report post #7 Posted February 2, 2018 Idk, I like variety... I rarely play a ship more then 2-3 times in a row. It doesn't have to be OP, just not Huange Meh. I never play that ship. I even like playing the Dunkerque now, heh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #8 Posted February 2, 2018 I think the problem is that Kagero isn't well balanced, it's kinda crap, and WG thinks that they can make a balanced ship by cloning this badly balanced ship. Hint: Kagero is kinda crap Mainly the gun range and reload speed are brokenly awful The AA, top speed and HP pool are also lackadaisical The only thing Kagero has going for it is concealment The 20km DWT that can only hit BBs and carriers is gonna be ultra crap, unless Asashio gets some further buffs to things like concealment or consumables. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,203 GhostSwordsman Members 6,604 posts 8,658 battles Report post #9 Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, MrDeaf said: I think the problem is that Kagero isn't well balanced, it's kinda crap, and WG thinks that they can make a balanced ship by cloning this badly balanced ship. Hint: Kagero is kinda crap Mainly the gun range and reload speed are brokenly awful The AA, top speed and HP pool are also lackadaisical The only thing Kagero has going for it is concealment The 20km DWT that can only hit BBs and carriers is gonna be ultra crap, unless Asashio gets some further buffs to things like concealment or consumables. What I find interesting is, Asashio's inital base concealment of 6.66km(exact same as Shiratsuyu, since it is basically just a modified Shiratsuyu class) would have given her better concealment than Kagero and Harekaze. If WG wants Asashio to be balanced, they're going to need to first drop the stupid gimmicks and copy Kagero's stats, then buff it a bit from there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,593 [CRMSN] Cobraclutch Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,021 posts 4,739 battles Report post #10 Posted February 2, 2018 How about we give the IJN DD's the ability to change their torpedo type in match with an increased reload penalty? Now that would be cool! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #11 Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, GhostSwordsman said: drop the stupid gimmicks and copy Kagero's stats, then buff it a bit from there. Oh, so you mean they will have to take another look at Kagero and properly fix up her stats so they aren't the ancient copy-pastas from when she was T9 and had access to -16% torpedo reload speed mod? as well as have a look at how the IJN DDs lose range going from Fubuki to Akatsuki to Kagero, then suddenly go back up to 12km at Yugumo? Yeah right. I'll eat my hat if WG does that this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9 [S0L0] EmptyWallet Members 17 posts 9,851 battles Report post #12 Posted February 2, 2018 A 3 minute hydro....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
427 Hatework Members 1,369 posts 3,667 battles Report post #13 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Am I reading right? No, no I wasn't. Move along, nothing to see here. Edited February 2, 2018 by Hatework Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
523 [HINON] Admiral_Franz_von_Hipper Members 2,136 posts 5,764 battles Report post #14 Posted February 2, 2018 Why DWTs? Couldn't they just unnerf IJN DD torps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 [304] MilitaryTycoon Alpha Tester 31 posts 2,400 battles Report post #15 Posted February 2, 2018 I think Asashio might be a precursor to a change for the japanese DDs. If performance with the deepwater torpedos is not broken they might make it so that the japanese have a choice of running with normal or deepwater torpedos with the deepwater having stats to pre-nerf japanese torpedos in the game. Thats my guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,181 [SYN] chewonit [SYN] Beta Testers 2,558 posts 15,274 battles Report post #16 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Admiral_Franz_von_Hipper said: Why DWTs? Couldn't they just unnerf IJN DD torps? Because WG are way too proud of their gimmick ideas. Edited February 2, 2018 by chewonit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,324 [NERO] TTK_Aegis Members 3,630 posts Report post #17 Posted February 2, 2018 Wow so a dedicated BB / CV hunter DD? That's... kinda weird... but I'm not totally /against/ the idea. Hunting BBs is my favorite thing to do in an IJN DD anyway. Hmm... You'd really need RPF though to avoid contact with literally everything else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
25,579 [ARGSY] Ensign_Cthulhu Members 31,607 posts 30,610 battles Report post #18 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) @Wolcott Your link is broken as I post this, and your post seems sort of corrupted. Edited February 2, 2018 by Ensign_Cthulhu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #19 Posted February 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, TTK_Aegis said: Wow so a dedicated BB / CV hunter DD? That's... kinda weird... but I'm not totally /against/ the idea. Hunting BBs is my favorite thing to do in an IJN DD anyway. Hmm... You'd really need RPF though to avoid contact with literally everything else. I think it will severely struggle if it cannot fight back against its T8 counterparts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
593 [BS] HorrorRoach Members 2,044 posts 12,783 battles Report post #20 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrDeaf said: I think the problem is that Kagero isn't well balanced, it's kinda crap, and WG thinks that they can make a balanced ship by cloning this badly balanced ship. Hint: Kagero is kinda crap Mainly the gun range and reload speed are brokenly awful The AA, top speed and HP pool are also lackadaisical The only thing Kagero has going for it is concealment The 20km DWT that can only hit BBs and carriers is gonna be ultra crap, unless Asashio gets some further buffs to things like concealment or consumables. Dude, 20km torps at a decent speed might be borderline OP at tier 8. They hit cruisers too you know... If they hit DD's too, then it would be blatantly OP. slap on torpedo acceleration, 67knots at 16km?? sounds fun... north carolina's are going to hate this ship EJ Edited February 2, 2018 by HorrorRoach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,169 [SYN] mofton [SYN] Members 9,313 posts 18,914 battles Report post #21 Posted February 2, 2018 Asashio is an odd one, you're giving up any anti-cruiser or destroyer torpedo threat, but you're also on a platform that says 'huh, you thought Kagero had firepower so let's knock that down to 6.7 RPM from Kagero's 8.5 RPM' - so you can't torp destroyers, and you're worse than Kagero at gunnery? I kind of hope that the DWT's might be more 'experimental' and that this is not a very serious attempt, maybe something similar to Graf Zep being a test bed for all kinds of ideas. IJN DD getting DWT has been mooted on Reddit QnA's previously. Cossack was a disaster, they've tried a buff which isn't that sensible - ever increasing stealth, gimmick hydro - and may not be that useful in game. I'll wait and see, but to a great extent ships are defined by firepower and Cossack still lacks it. WG have never seemed to remodel ships during balance, so the 4th gun mount is probably not on the table. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
398 [WAIFU] Delicious_Flat_Chest Members 1,030 posts Report post #22 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) just buy t-61 before they discontinue it when realizing how good it is Edited February 2, 2018 by awildpervert Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
123 [AK] Seloth Beta Testers 482 posts 17,030 battles Report post #23 Posted February 2, 2018 Deeper water torps? nope, no thank you. Hated them on the GZ test, put them on a IJN weak gunned ship is even worse of an idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #24 Posted February 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, HorrorRoach said: Dude, 20km torps at a decent speed might be borderline OP at tier 8. They hit cruisers too you know... If they hit DD's too, then it would be blatantly OP. slap on torpedo acceleration, 67knots at 16km?? sounds fun... north carolina's are going to hate this ship EJ You didn't read, did you? They only hit BBs and CVs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,947 battles Report post #25 Posted February 2, 2018 55 minutes ago, Admiral_Franz_von_Hipper said: Why DWTs? Couldn't they just unnerf IJN DD torps? That would mean they would have to admit they were wrong about nerfing them. WG is too proud and arrogant for that. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
