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Balance changes to Cossack and Asashio

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Ok, I want them now.

 

Where's the dang Aigle too? My wallet is quivering.

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So Cossack gets detection on par with the IJN and Asashio gets worthless torpedoes that can't threaten its primary predators.

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Well, I was going to buy Asashio so I'd have a T8 IJN DD that can train regular DD captains(Harekaze is more useful with a dedicated Akeno or Akizuki's captain). But if this stays, or Asashio doesn't also get the ability to mount Kagero's torps, then WG just lost a sale.

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Idk, I like variety... I rarely play a ship more then 2-3 times in a row. It doesn't have to be OP, just not Huange Meh. I never play that ship. I even like playing the Dunkerque now, heh.

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I think the problem is that Kagero isn't well balanced, it's kinda crap, and WG thinks that they can make a balanced ship by cloning this badly balanced ship.

 

Hint: Kagero is kinda crap

  • Mainly the gun range and reload speed are brokenly awful
  • The AA, top speed and HP pool are also lackadaisical
  • The only thing Kagero has going for it is concealment

The 20km DWT that can only hit BBs and carriers is gonna be ultra crap, unless Asashio gets some further buffs to things like concealment or consumables.

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1 minute ago, MrDeaf said:

I think the problem is that Kagero isn't well balanced, it's kinda crap, and WG thinks that they can make a balanced ship by cloning this badly balanced ship.

 

Hint: Kagero is kinda crap

  • Mainly the gun range and reload speed are brokenly awful
  • The AA, top speed and HP pool are also lackadaisical
  • The only thing Kagero has going for it is concealment

The 20km DWT that can only hit BBs and carriers is gonna be ultra crap, unless Asashio gets some further buffs to things like concealment or consumables.

What I find interesting is, Asashio's inital base concealment of 6.66km(exact same as Shiratsuyu, since it is basically just a modified Shiratsuyu class) would have given her better concealment than Kagero and Harekaze.

If WG wants Asashio to be balanced, they're going to need to first drop the stupid gimmicks and copy Kagero's stats, then buff it a bit from there.

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How about we give the IJN DD's the ability to change their torpedo type in match with an increased reload penalty? 

 

Now that would be cool! 

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1 minute ago, GhostSwordsman said:

drop the stupid gimmicks and copy Kagero's stats, then buff it a bit from there.

Oh, so you mean they will have to take another look at Kagero and properly fix up her stats so they aren't the ancient copy-pastas from when she was T9 and had access to -16% torpedo reload speed mod?
as well as have a look at how the IJN DDs lose range going from Fubuki to Akatsuki to Kagero, then suddenly go back up to 12km at Yugumo?

Yeah right. I'll eat my hat if WG does that this year.

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Am I reading right?  No, no I wasn't.  Move along, nothing to see here.

 

 

 

 

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I think Asashio might be a precursor to a change for the japanese DDs. If performance with the deepwater torpedos is not broken they might make it so that the japanese have a choice of running with normal or deepwater torpedos with the deepwater having stats to pre-nerf japanese torpedos in the game. Thats my guess.

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11 minutes ago, Admiral_Franz_von_Hipper said:

Why DWTs? Couldn't they just unnerf IJN DD torps?

Because WG are way too proud of their gimmick ideas.

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Wow so a dedicated BB / CV hunter DD? That's... kinda weird... but I'm not totally /against/ the idea. Hunting BBs is my favorite thing to do in an IJN DD anyway. Hmm... You'd really need RPF though to avoid contact with literally everything else. 

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@Wolcott Your link is broken as I post this, and your post seems sort of corrupted.

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9 minutes ago, TTK_Aegis said:

Wow so a dedicated BB / CV hunter DD? That's... kinda weird... but I'm not totally /against/ the idea. Hunting BBs is my favorite thing to do in an IJN DD anyway. Hmm... You'd really need RPF though to avoid contact with literally everything else. 

I think it will severely struggle if it cannot fight back against its T8 counterparts.

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1 hour ago, MrDeaf said:

I think the problem is that Kagero isn't well balanced, it's kinda crap, and WG thinks that they can make a balanced ship by cloning this badly balanced ship.

 

Hint: Kagero is kinda crap

  • Mainly the gun range and reload speed are brokenly awful
  • The AA, top speed and HP pool are also lackadaisical
  • The only thing Kagero has going for it is concealment

The 20km DWT that can only hit BBs and carriers is gonna be ultra crap, unless Asashio gets some further buffs to things like concealment or consumables.

Dude, 20km torps at a decent speed might be borderline OP at tier 8. They hit cruisers too you know... If they hit DD's too, then it would be blatantly OP.

 

slap on torpedo acceleration, 67knots at 16km??  sounds fun... north carolina's are going to hate this ship

EJ

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Asashio is an odd one, you're giving up any anti-cruiser or destroyer torpedo threat, but you're also on a platform that says 'huh, you thought Kagero had firepower so let's knock that down to 6.7 RPM from Kagero's 8.5 RPM' - so you can't torp destroyers, and you're worse than Kagero at gunnery?

I kind of hope that the DWT's might be more 'experimental' and that this is not a very serious attempt, maybe something similar to Graf Zep being a test bed for all kinds of ideas. IJN DD getting DWT has been mooted on Reddit QnA's previously.

 

Cossack was a disaster, they've tried a buff which isn't that sensible - ever increasing stealth, gimmick hydro - and may not be that useful in game. I'll wait and see, but to a great extent ships are defined by firepower and Cossack still lacks it. WG have never seemed to remodel ships during balance, so the 4th gun mount is probably not on the table.

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just buy t-61 before they discontinue it when realizing how good it is

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Deeper water torps? nope, no thank you. Hated them on the GZ test, put them on a IJN weak gunned ship is even worse of an idea. 

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9 minutes ago, HorrorRoach said:

Dude, 20km torps at a decent speed might be borderline OP at tier 8. They hit cruisers too you know... If they hit DD's too, then it would be blatantly OP.

 

slap on torpedo acceleration, 67knots at 16km??  sounds fun... north carolina's are going to hate this ship

EJ

You didn't read, did you?

They only hit BBs and CVs

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55 minutes ago, Admiral_Franz_von_Hipper said:

Why DWTs? Couldn't they just unnerf IJN DD torps?

That would mean they would have to admit they were wrong about nerfing them.

 

WG is too proud and arrogant for that.

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