177 LastSamurai714 Members 513 posts 10,245 battles Report post #1 Posted January 31, 2018 And a perfect example of why MM is broken. This is why you will lose players WG. Wonder how this game turned out? 1 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,941 [BOTES] pikohan [BOTES] Members 3,641 posts 18,962 battles Report post #2 Posted January 31, 2018 Sorry man, unless I'm missing something this really isn't that bad. Worst thing is they have a radar advantage and a DD advantage, but it's only one of each. There's no cancer division on the other team, the CVs aren't imbalanced, and you're top tier with mostly T7s. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,947 battles Report post #3 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) I'm guessing the team with the Sims, since Sims is a rockstar cap fighter, especially with low-concealment cruisers like Neptune to back him up. You did back up your Sims knowing he'd have to fight an Akizuki, right? You wouldn't leave your destroyer to fight an Akizuki and a Mahan by himself, would you? No, those would be the actions of a bad cruiser captain. Edited January 31, 2018 by KiyoSenkan 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,557 [KSF] BiggieD61 Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 1,732 posts 21,674 battles Report post #4 Posted January 31, 2018 You felt compelled to start a thread over THAT? That MM is balanced as all get out. You get more tier 8 cruisers, they get an additional DD and tier 7 BB. There is nothing wrong with it. if that MM causes you to quit, then bye bye. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,387 [R-F] Brhinosaurus Members 1,787 posts 10,867 battles Report post #5 Posted January 31, 2018 If I saw this matchup in my Sims I'd be pretty chill. One less radar but that's not too bad. Carriers equal (without checking the stats of the players). No divisions on either team, no super clans (apologizes if your clan is depicted above and you're awesome and I just don't know it!). Load 'em up and let's fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,443 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,821 posts 26,880 battles Report post #6 Posted January 31, 2018 Another voice for the 'seems good to me' crowd. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,790 [MUTNY] SilverPhatShips Members 4,644 posts 24,259 battles Report post #7 Posted January 31, 2018 I was in a game this morning that had much the same match up except the other side had 4 radar Cruisers and we had none The red team supported their 1 Destroyer where my team decided to sit back and snipe at long range thinking that was the best way to support their dd needless to say after radar had had its fill the carrier finish the job with a permanent spot on the Destroyer yes it did not end well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
215 VonSmallHausenn Members 817 posts 9,071 battles Report post #8 Posted January 31, 2018 Compare it to this one :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
580 [PLPTV] Ulthwey Members 1,457 posts 9,077 battles Report post #9 Posted January 31, 2018 52 minutes ago, LastSamurai714 said: And a perfect example of why MM is broken. This is why you will lose players WG. Wonder how this game turned out? Play this game long enough and eventually you'll see that this particular matchmaking is nothing. It gets A LOT worse than this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,524 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,136 posts 42,527 battles Report post #10 Posted January 31, 2018 Another voice for the OP's MM really wasn't that bad. Heck, I was in a battle a couple days back where my team was down 1 radar ship to FOUR on the enemy team, and my team had more DD's, i.e. more DDs to be spotted by that radar. And yes, it was a route for the other team. The OP's MM was not all that bad. Yes, the other team had 1 more radar, but it also had more DDs. And if you're at a disadvantage in radar ships, I'd think that not being reliant on DDs vs that radar would be a good think. About the only ships on the OP's team that might have found the radar annoying were the Sims, and the OP's own Neptune. I can somewhat agree with the OP on the principle of radar ship imbalances, but his example was an incredibly poor one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #11 Posted January 31, 2018 You never know though. Had a T10 game yesterday, Tears of the Epicenter. We had 1 less DD, and the enemy had 4 radar ships to our 0. We won by kills, 12-6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
502 [AP] jason199506 Members 1,373 posts 20,488 battles Report post #12 Posted January 31, 2018 .........what? what am i missing? i see you are top tier, and one of the only 4 tier9s in the whole match, so what are you complaining about? when i click on this thread i was expecting you to be one of the only 4 tier 8s in a whole room of tier 9s and 10s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,555 [GWG] AVR_Project Members 8,019 posts 15,941 battles Report post #13 Posted January 31, 2018 I snapped a shot of a real sad MM... Yeah.. Mission was over in 6 minutes. They got all three caps and wiped us out. After battle roster showed they were all but two in ranked -- 2/3 of the team below rank 10. I was the best out of 3 rank players on my team at rank 15. So MM is helping to pad the unicum stats by doing this? Laughing Out Loud !!!! It's all a commie plot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
289 Stampz Beta Testers 903 posts 8,366 battles Report post #14 Posted January 31, 2018 Don't really see an imbalance in the OP's pic. Someone explain it to me as I just don't see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
313 Psicopro Members 1,243 posts 5,495 battles Report post #15 Posted January 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, Skpstr said: You never know though. Had a T10 game yesterday, Tears of the Epicenter. We had 1 less DD, and the enemy had 4 radar ships to our 0. We won by kills, 12-6. On that map you need to be gunshy in a cruiser till you work out where all the BB's are. That's probably as much of a factor as anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,499 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 29,309 posts 15,806 battles Report post #16 Posted January 31, 2018 59 minutes ago, VonSmallHausenn said: Compare it to this one :-) That looks more like your team face planted and gave the match away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #17 Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Psicopro said: On that map you need to be gunshy in a cruiser till you work out where all the BB's are. That's probably as much of a factor as anything. That, and our DDs played it safe at the start. They weren't hiding, but doing a lot of spotting work while the enemy DDs were trying to cap the centre. Two of their 4 got almost instagibbed in the first few minutes. Plus, 2 of their radar ships were Missouris, and one of those played sniper. That's the thing though. Our team was pretty pessimistic before match start, and it all worked out. The matchup doesn't tell you the whole story, unless you throw in the towel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
313 Psicopro Members 1,243 posts 5,495 battles Report post #18 Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Skpstr said: That, and our DDs played it safe at the start. They weren't hiding, but doing a lot of spotting work while the enemy DDs were trying to cap the centre. Two of their 4 got almost instagibbed in the first few minutes. Plus, 2 of their radar ships were Missouris, and one of those played sniper. That's the thing though. Our team was pretty pessimistic before match start, and it all worked out. The matchup doesn't tell you the whole story, unless you throw in the towel. Sounds like you had DD's that understood not to just run into a cap, smoke to let the cruisers know where they are, and sit there waiting to be deleted. I'm jealous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
116 [REBCO] LB_Binghamton Members 354 posts 4,268 battles Report post #19 Posted January 31, 2018 The OP's game made me feel better. I'm usually a T5 with a bunch of T7's, it was nice to see the 7's out tiered by 2. Turnabout and all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,273 [BOTES] awildseaking Members 2,399 posts 10,643 battles Report post #20 Posted January 31, 2018 That could go a lot of ways. I don't mind the 1v2 radar matchup because Baltimore and Atlanta are squishy, but I hate unequal DD matchups. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that when 0.5.8.1 came out back in July '16, the new tops system made it physically impossible for there to be a DD mismatch like that. Back then, you could get a matchup where one team has an Iowa and the other doesn't have a single T9 BB. I know you can have a different number of DD per team, but I don't think that allowance is supposed to make it possible for a T8 CA to be considered a top tier for a T8 DD. Either way, I don't like the DD allowances and I have always felt the number of DD should be equal. I'm fine with variations where one match has 1v1 and another has 4v4, but within each match, each team should be equally equipped to compete. DDs should also be nation balanced to account for differences in role between DD types. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #21 Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Psicopro said: Sounds like you had DD's that understood not to just run into a cap, smoke to let the cruisers know where they are, and sit there waiting to be deleted. I'm jealous. TBH, one didn't, and died quick. Other two were in a div, and though I didn't recognise the clan, they played well. Didn't do a ton of damage, but the spotting was excellent. It wasn't until near the end of the match any of us went into the centre, but a lot of enemy ships died there lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
177 LastSamurai714 Members 513 posts 10,245 battles Report post #22 Posted January 31, 2018 Extra BB Extra DD Radar advantage Noooooo nothing wrong with that at all. The cv spotted the Sims and dropped him within the first 2 minutes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
328 [SWOB] K538 [SWOB] Alpha Tester 1,147 posts 6,651 battles Report post #23 Posted January 31, 2018 Hon hon hon! Seriously though, there's nothing impossible about that MM draw. The quality of the players on each team are going to be far more important than the ships. The only time I scratch my head is when MM either puts hugely imbalanced divisions on the teams or when it barfs and puts more than a +/- 1 spread of destroyers on the teams. Complaining about losing a Sims to a carrier when you're driving a Neptune is interesting. I see a T7 carrier when I'm in a Neptune and I'm going to be rubbing my hands in glee following a DD to the cap myself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,260 cometguy Members 2,992 posts 5,204 battles Report post #24 Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, LastSamurai714 said: Extra BB Extra DD Radar advantage Noooooo nothing wrong with that at all. The cv spotted the Sims and dropped him within the first 2 minutes. Sure, but if the Baltimore and Atlanta have radar, then they don't have nearly as much AA as you guys do. Planes are radar that don't quit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
177 LastSamurai714 Members 513 posts 10,245 battles Report post #25 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Yeah I forgot the forums are full of players with all the answers. Its [edited] from the start. Period. Their CV was dead in the first 5 minutes. So were 5 of our cruisers. Maybe that bb advantage had something to do with that...Just guessing. Stats wise I did fine, but the overall composition of the game is complete crap. Edited January 31, 2018 by LastSamurai714 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
