Keelhaul Me: Confessions of an Elitist

[BBsquid]

12 hours ago, MaxL_1023 said:

It improved mine. I have only ever learned from being insulted in one way or another - must be a mental illness or something. 

Glad you said it so we didnt have to. If you only ever learn by being insulted...that my friend should tell you that you have severe mental issues. I would suggest seeking professional help but if you get this worked up over a fantasy digital recreation of a bygone era of floaty boat combat, I dont think there's anything anyone can do to help you. You are most definitely a broken toy.

[Skpstr]

8 hours ago, MaxL_1023 said:

You have the right to your opinion, but if you are unqualified you objectively have a less valuable perspective. Otherwise why would qualifications exist to begin with?

To be fair though, it's the same thing with a true elitist. Your perspective will be skewed towards whatever benefits those with similar talents. You either won't care about the majority, or will assume that if it's good for the elite, it's good for the rest.

An example would be an F1 driver advocating the raising of the speed limit on the interstate to 100mph. Most modern vehicles are capable of sustaining that speed, road design and technology are up to the task, and anyone who doesn't already have training to drive at fast speeds can get it.

The reality is, the majority of people would be untrained, vehicles would be improperly maintained, people would drive too fast for conditions, road rage, etc., and it would be a horrible idea.

[BBsquid]

8 hours ago, Cruiser_Fiume said:

Funnily enough, I agree with you on that. I think any dollar wasted on PvE is, frankly, squandered. It's ridiculous to cater to a crowd of people playing a platform specifically designed for PvP, who nevertheless insist on huddling in a corner, covering their ears, and screaming at the top of their lungs (to make the bad men go away).

Is it really specifically designed for PvP? Anything in the EULA or its like that states that? If so I must have breezed passed it. Im more thinking that they developed a multi-mode IP to cater to the broadest player base possible...much like the Battlefield and CoD IPs. There is a PvP element for subset A, a campaign/Story/Coop mode for subset B. What many people fail to grasp I think is that this IP is already a niche genre; if you eliminated the coop side of the equation you would likely kill this game sooner rather than later. 

As to those you refer to that are huddling in a corner...are you referring to coop or PvP players? Both maybe, as the description seems rather apt for both groups that get this worked up over a video game.

That said, I will agree with Max's broad theme...without a doubt the players that are unquestionably in the upper class of ability in-game should receive correspondingly better rewards. Extra effort (or a natural affinity) deserves recognition. While I don't place  a lot of weight on virtual accomplishments (I'm more in tune with things that will better me in the non-virtual world), I respect the feeling. 

 

[Skpstr]

8 hours ago, Cruiser_Fiume said:

Funnily enough, I agree with you on that. I think any dollar wasted on PvE is, frankly, squandered. It's ridiculous to cater to a crowd of people playing a platform specifically designed for PvP, who nevertheless insist on huddling in a corner, covering their ears, and screaming at the top of their lungs (to make the bad men go away).

What's ridiculous is to not cater to them, for no other reason than personal disdain, if they spend an appreciable amount of money.

Emotion has little place in business.

[enderland07]

9 minutes ago, BBsquid said:

That said, I will agree with Max's broad theme...without a doubt the players that are unquestionably in the upper class of ability in-game should receive correspondingly better rewards. Extra effort (or a natural affinity) deserves recognition. While I don't place  a lot of weight on virtual accomplishments (I'm more in tune with things that will better me in the non-virtual world), I respect the feeling. 

 

 

I'd argue that they do receive better rewards - easier to grind, more credits/game, more flags (because of achievements), and easier to accomplish ingame campaigns etc.

 

Even some of the new emblems would be very hard for potato players to get. Course they are of questionable value..

[Carrier_Lexington]

13 hours ago, MaxL_1023 said:

If you want to play in a competitive environment, accept that you will run into competitive people. We are human, we get angry, we might attack your play. It is text on a computer screen - just ignore it and move on. If it is unjustified, we are in the wrong - take that knowledge and go to the next battle. 

   No. Sorry, but no. Just because you get angry doesn't give you an excuse to go be toxic to everyone around you, or bully someone you think is "lower quality" than you.

I'm sorry your "precious feelings" were hurt by such a bad player ruining this game that you spend money on maintaining and... oh, wait. It's free to play. Nevermind, you don't pay a cent for it unless you choose to.

  You say that you should be allowed to say whatever you want and anyone who doesn't like it should ignore it, because it's" just text on a screen" and you don't want to feel responsible.

  I think that the game is just pixels on a screen and you shouldn't derive so much of your self-worth from it.

 

  You say that, when your claims about someone you attack are unjustified, that person should just ignore it because they know you are in the wrong.

   I think that you should take a loss or "bad play" as not reflective of you, and go to the next battle secure in your skill, without having to attack someone else to feel better about your insecurities. 

 

   You say that it is human to get angry at someone and attack their play, but let me tell you, sunshine, that it's just as human to repay anger with anger.  It's also wrong in both cases. Two Wrongs don't make a right, but one wrong is not in the right either.

      In my view, if you go off on someone and start attacking them in chat, you should be chat-banned. If you followed them out-of-battle, you deserve to be game-banned.The game is a privilege, and you abused that privilege in a way that harms someone else.You made the informed choice to give-up your privilege of playing or chatting to spout hate at someone. Now you live with the consequences.

 

I refute your ideas that unicums should be entitled to Power Assertive and Anger Retaliatory behavior while the "lesser peoples" should all submit, and instead I support that everyone be held to the same standard of civility and self-regulation required in a functioning community.
 

 

[Skpstr]

15 hours ago, MaxL_1023 said:

 

If you want to play in a competitive environment, accept that you will run into competitive people. We are human, we get angry, we might attack your play. It is text on a computer screen - just ignore it and move on. 

Sage advice. Why is it so hard to follow, for either side of the issue?

Basically, each side claims the other should ignore something that negatively impacts their gaming experience, while retaining the right to their own negative behaviour.

[Psicopro]

15 hours ago, awiggin said:

Riddle me this Mr elitist....

Why would elitists play a game that's filled with casual players?

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Because my Nikolai needs targets, duh.

[Malcontint]

16 hours ago, MaxL_1023 said:

It is text on a computer screen - just ignore it and move on.

 

 

 

16 hours ago, Fog_Battleship_NCarolina said:

but would you call someone you met on the street sh*t? No. Why?

hmmm, no random on the street, but irl if somebody is bad, then yes, that's gonna get addressed.

10 hours ago, Slyguy3129 said:

For real, get over yourselves.

Seems a lot of posters here just need to recognize their failure to follow their own advice. Do as you say and you will enjoy this more perhaps? Before getting hateful, or taking any action for that matter, ask yourself: what good will come of this? If there is none, save your time and energy. Perhaps the only good that will come is it will make your feel better. Sure, if you are hateful than behaving accordingly will make you feel better. But own that for what it is.

While I can't stands people who get in a competitive environment and then perform as if they don't really care about the results, I think some of y'all are taking those performances personal. Step back and recognize the crapplayer wasn't playing like that as a personal affront to you, that's just how they roll. That's just a part of battles labeled Random. It's just bad play from a random person, ignore it and move on. I'm new to this game, but isn't there other outlets for more competitive atmosphere? Clan wars, tournaments, ranked battles?

[Fishrokk]

11 hours ago, MaxL_1023 said:

I am just mad that people have been using elitist as a slur, when technically all it means is respecting people who have qualifications. I want to learn from people better than me, and then pass on whatever I can once I reach the level where I can do so.

The problem is that is not what elitist means at all.  You get into real trouble when you start using a word that you have your own definition for in your head - because (most) everyone else is using the dictionary definition.  So, despite using the same word in the conversation, unbeknownst to each other you are both using it with different meaning.  (Yeah, I really couldn't find a better word than 'unbeknownst'.)

You end up with a fundamental misunderstanding.  Even though misunderstanding fueled the plot of every episode of Three's Company, it's not a good thing in real life.

Elitist (and 'elitism') has always had a connotation of an "I'm better than you", condescending attitude.

The biggest problem with elitism is that the elite are not infallible, nor are the non-elite incapable of success.

[BiggieD61]

45 minutes ago, Fishrokk said:

 

You end up with a fundamental misunderstanding.  Even though misunderstanding fueled the plot of every episode of Three's Company, it's not a good thing in real life.

 

Well played Fishrokk, in retrospect the writers for that show were not as creative as I had thought in my youth!

[enderland07]

I like being good at this game.

I try to get better, learning from my mistakes and from others.

I don't rub it in the face of others though. I also understand that many people play this game for fun and their version of fun doesn't involve winning and in many cases involves things that aren't fun. 

[DiddleDum]

13 minutes ago, BiggieD61 said:

Well played Fishrokk, in retrospect the writers for that show were not as creative as I had thought in my youth!

Indeed! and kudos to Fishrokk for the Three's Company reference.    At first, I figured less than half the forumites would even understand that reference.   Since the player demographic is a bit older for WoWS, it probably was understood as intended.

 

But these kids, I tell ya.     Had my son (27) and his fiance (30) over a few weekends ago.  We live out in the country, and were talking about the local police - the typical Barney Fifes.     They sat silent and stared.  They had no idea who Barney Fife was.

[BiggieD61]

Mayberry 4 lyfe!

Don Knots and the entire supporting cast of that show really fit together well.  The fact that there was no adultery, teen pregnancy, or "identity" issues over it's run is a blessing.

[Soylent_Red_Is_Tomato]

17 hours ago, surratus said:

Is Elitism a good thing for this game?  Any game?

12 hours ago, SteelClaw said:

Elitism seems to be the way WG is going with the game and i like it.

World or Warplanes, before 2.0, is a perfect example; folks were either purple or they gave up/got driven away, to the point where on average less than 500 folks across North & South America were playing on a regular basis.

 

But that being said, Warships already lost yet another middle of the road player from daily randoms tired of both sides of the ''l33t/not l33t'' fence; me, there are other games I can be playing and things I can be doing.

 

 

1 hour ago, Malcontint said:

While I can't stands people who get in a competitive environment and then perform as if they don't really care about the results, I think some of y'all are taking those performances personal. Step back and recognize the crap-player wasn't playing like that as a personal affront to you, that's just how they roll. That's just a part of battles labeled Random.

Indeed,

 

''Have a perfect PC, or get out of my game.''

''Have a perfect connection, or get out of my game.''

''Have perfect capability & focus, or get out of my game.''

''Play only the best for the meta units and nothing else, or get out of my game.''

''Spend more time practicing the game than playing the game, or get out of my game.''

 

Are all sentiments that in the long run never, ever, do any gaming title any good whatsoever.

 

[Wyngs_2015]

12 hours ago, Kombat_W0MBAT said:

Too many elitists aren't actually "elite". That's the Dunning Kruger affect for ya. Even in the presence of elite performance, elitism isn't something to be proud of. 

^^^ This. And coming from someone who really is a great player, not an elitist.

 

For the OP,  Dude, this is a game. Its entertainment. If you think that being good at this is somehow a life accomplishment or in any way important or indicative of someone's character, I pity you. Clue you in on something, Your Highness the Finest. People have to be allowed to make mistakes. Thats how we learn. Constructive criticism is great, but belittling "salt" does nothing but make things worse. I would suggest you take a deep breath and get over yourself. You're only making yourself miserable by thinking this way. BTW, Randoms is NOT competitive. For that, I would suggest team play and Ranked....................

[Carrier_Lexington]

8 minutes ago, Wyngs_2015 said:

For the OP,  Dude, this is a game. Its entertainment. If you think that being good at this is somehow a life accomplishment or in any way important or indicative of someone's character, I pity you.

Yep. I entirely agree. It's pixels on a screen. Whatever "besmirched stats" will all be gone in a couple battles... if you really are the "elite." If they aren't, then I don't think its one player you meet in one game that's "hurting your precious stats."

Also...

9 minutes ago, Wyngs_2015 said:

Your Highness the Finest.

I am totally stealing this phrase. 

[Carrier_Lexington]

Double Post Daemons snuck-up on me. Had to eradicate 'em. Sorry.

[HayabusaZ]

19 hours ago, MaxL_1023 said:

I am an Elitist.

I believe that if you are better at WoWS, you should get rewarded. More wins, more credits and exp, more flags and special consumables, and access to additional content such as pennants, premium camouflages and event rewards. 

1. No problem with this statement, better players "earn" their rewards, including any special content available for completing missions.  It's not that they deserve these rewards more than others, just that they will finish the tasks earlier than others and receive their rewards before others unlock them.  There are exceptions, one being something like getting to rank 1 in Ranked and the rewards that come with it, but still some non-elite players make it just not nearly as quickly.

I believe that if you choose to play a competitive game mode (Randoms, Ranked and CB) you implicitly accept any criticism of your play, whether valid or not. You should always make an effort to improve, considering any and all advice, weighting it based on the source and results it brings. 

2. Maybe you need to work on how you give your feedback for others, then instead of being "that player" who comes off as an Elitist, you could be considered a coach and mentor.

I believe that if you wish to play in an environment where performance expectations do not exist, you should play Co-Op battles and Training Rooms. Operations count as random battles, as significant rewards and penalties to earnings exist based on success and failure. 

3. Here is the crux of the matter, you seem to feel these players are in your way, not helping you as you wish they would.

If you want to play in a competitive environment, accept that you will run into competitive people. We are human, we get angry, we might attack your play. It is text on a computer screen - just ignore it and move on. If it is unjustified, we are in the wrong - take that knowledge and go to the next battle. 

4. See #2 above.

If you make a mistake, accept it, acknowledge it and learn from it. If you don't think you made a mistake, look at the results. If they win more games than you, they are probably right. Results matter in the end, and with a large enough sample size statistics  converge to the true result of your play.

5. No issue with the first part, but just winning more games doesn't necessarily mean much.  It can, but a destroyer main isn't necessarily the best to give CV advice for instance.  So you still have to filter the advice you receive.

If you don't want to improve, take advice, or honestly believe you are not subject to the above - there is nothing I can do. I will keep criticizing your play within the limits of the terms and conditions of the community. These ships fought in SALT water after all. 

Elite players earn their rewards and accolades. Everyone gets the same chance, plays the same game in the same ships. If you accomplish more, you deserve more. Everyone gets enough to enjoy the game anyways, so what is the problem?

Aside from your blood pressure when someone doesn't play "properly", nothing.  The sooner you accept that some of your teammates are drinking beer while playing or letting their little brother (or sister) have fun shooting things, the better you'll like your time spent in the game.  No pressure or anything, some days I wish I had better teammates (every day really), and I am definitely not an elite player.

This makes me an Elitist. Keelhaul me.