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I was in a game just now where our CV waited until all his planes were in the air then sent them all, including the fighter, in a tiny group "behind" him to the back border of the map. Then he followed the back border to the side border, and then to the opposite back border. He hugged the opposite back border all the way along it until he got to the other side border, then went halfway down it, before he spotted the enemy CV. All this took literally half the game. Was he successful in  sinking the enemy CV, who by this time had gotten four attack sorties off and was spotting the whole time with his fighter group? Nope, the enemy CV had an escort cruiser. Our CV lost all of his planes. He learned his lesson, right? Nope he did the exact same thing again. Ironically, just prior to the game ending, he stumbled onto a battleship on the other team who was border hugging himself and managed to get a strike in on it a few seconds before the timer ran out.  

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That tactic is semi-successful at low tiers, where maps are smaller and everyone (including the carriers themselves) has less AA.  Some people don't seem to grow out of it in spite of the falling success rate as they climb the tiers.  Just one way you get these 35% Win Rate carriers that nobody wants on their team!

 

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I've always had more success going straight up the middle to find the CV than doing border hugging. Got an early CV kill yesterday flying straight through B cap, fought off the CV's fighters then went straight where they came from, to the CV, who was hiding behind an island instead of sticking with the fleet heading west.

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29 minutes ago, cometguy said:

I've always had more success going straight up the middle to find the CV than doing border hugging. Got an early CV kill yesterday flying straight through B cap, fought off the CV's fighters then went straight where they came from, to the CV, who was hiding behind an island instead of sticking with the fleet heading west.

Agreed, most snipes are "wow, too much AA that way. I'll go this way. Oh look a stationary cv"... 

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Teammates, stop turning around suddenly without alerting the carrier following you just outside his concealment range or sitting behind an island close to the front, because he's so consumed with managing 6-8 squadrons that chances are he's not fully aware of his surroundings and relying on you to protect him.

 

Also stop whining that he isn't protecting you 100% of the time if you're not willing to even warn him of incoming danger.

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51 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

I was in a game just now where our CV waited until all his planes were in the air then sent them all, including the fighter, in a tiny group "behind" him to the back border of the map. Then he followed the back border to the side border, and then to the opposite back border. He hugged the opposite back border all the way along it until he got to the other side border, then went halfway down it, before he spotted the enemy CV. All this took literally half the game. Was he successful in  sinking the enemy CV, who by this time had gotten four attack sorties off and was spotting the whole time with his fighter group? Nope, the enemy CV had an escort cruiser. Our CV lost all of his planes. He learned his lesson, right? Nope he did the exact same thing again. Ironically, just prior to the game ending, he stumbled onto a battleship on the other team who was border hugging himself and managed to get a strike in on it a few seconds before the timer ran out.  

Lemme guess...was the name WARBEASTY?

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They'll eventually quit the game after they realized their average win rate in CVs are 30%. That's the only way to get rid of them.

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40 minutes ago, cometguy said:

I've always had more success going straight up the middle to find the CV than doing border hugging. Got an early CV kill yesterday flying straight through B cap, fought off the CV's fighters then went straight where they came from, to the CV, who was hiding behind an island instead of sticking with the fleet heading west.

I knew you would be in this one!!!

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Just now, Sweetsie said:

I knew you would be in this one!!!

;)

 

Gotta let off some steam after getting owned learning a new line!

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2 minutes ago, cometguy said:

Gotta let off some steam after getting owned learning a new line!

well, if it makes you feel any better after I looked up your cv stats I had to do a complete 180 on where I had intended my argument to go....Always frustrating to want someone to be bad and find out he is the exact opposite.

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They definitely seem a bit bashful with the CV if they did this without a better reason which we don't have. I will typically move to an area where I have some protection and move based on where I am focusing my attacks as nothing worse than having to wait for your planes to fly across the entire map and then back. Close the traveling gap and get in more attacks. I am a newer player and only in the tier 4-6 levels and I know higher tiers changes considerably but I try to scan the entire map at all times and try to spot as much of the enemy as I can and engage the enemies which I think I can damage. I am not afraid to sink but I will try to fight till the last second. Last night I had a DD closing in on me so I hit him with two bombs and dropped at least 2 sorties of torps at him but he simply dodged them all. He wasn't firing his torpedos very smartly as all but one missed me which is crazy considering the size of a CV. Then he finally got a bit ahead of me and started to turn left to come across in front of me and I thought for sure I'd see an onslaught of torpedos coming to finish me off but it didn't happen. I stayed at full speed and kept adjusting to head straight at him, I turned one last time and hit me head on and sank immediately. I thought I would also sink as I thought all rams kill both parties but I survived with a big ol smile on my face.

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4 minutes ago, Sweetsie said:

well, if it makes you feel any better after I looked up your cv stats I had to do a complete 180 on where I had intended my argument to go....Always frustrating to want someone to be bad and find out he is the exact opposite.

Haha, but you made a solid argument anyway. So I'm glad I didn't face the other.

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At low tier CV play, focusing on t4/t5 ....... if it a single CV game, fighter spotting, and bomber ready to strike at target of opportunity ....... while spotting, look out for "sniper" CV, don't station your CV, CV always on the move (mini map awareness)

If 2v2 CV game, always ask the other CV player to group fighter and strike group together or work together, always spotting and supporting each other/the rest of the fleet, watch out for border snipe CV. This is very easy to spot as 4/5 mins into the game, and you spot no strike group, immediately turn your attention to both border and back (way point patrol/spot), also move your CV depend on the map. It not that rocket science to figure out what the other CV players plans

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I never CV snipe because.......... I need my 28x avg plane kill

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1 hour ago, KiyoSenkan said:

Teammates, stop turning around suddenly without alerting the carrier following you just outside his concealment range or sitting behind an island close to the front, because he's so consumed with managing 6-8 squadrons that chances are he's not fully aware of his surroundings and relying on you to protect him.

 

Also stop whining that he isn't protecting you 100% of the time if you're not willing to even warn him of incoming danger.

As opposed to the times when, say, I maintain screen the carrier from the side the reds are pushing, and continually warn the CV to get moving, and he sits there.  Either we both get sunk as I  (or another player) try to cover their oblivious butt, or I decide to cut the losses, and skedaddle to a more effective part of the map.

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6 minutes ago, Nukelavee45 said:

As opposed to the times when, say, I maintain screen the carrier from the side the reds are pushing, and continually warn the CV to get moving, and he sits there.  Either we both get sunk as I  (or another player) try to cover their oblivious butt, or I decide to cut the losses, and skedaddle to a more effective part of the map.

That's a different situation and a valid complaint.

 

If the carrier is warned and ignores it, that's on them 100%.

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I don't get that strategy. All of my high damage games happened because I camped near the center and just cycled planes super quickly.

Why someone would sit at the back of the map is beyond me.

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1 hour ago, StoneRhino said:

Agreed, most snipes are "wow, too much AA that way. I'll go this way. Oh look a stationary cv"... 

I f--king swear, stationary CVs on my team are the bane of existence.  When bombers show up, it's too late to start maneuvering and they eat every bomb and torpedo dropped their way.  Or if a DD somehow sneaked through, it's too late.  Especially those slow sailing low tier CVs.  Bogue is already slow as it is, being stationary isn't making it harder for the enemy DD.

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2 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

I was in a game just now where our CV waited until all his planes were in the air then sent them all, including the fighter, in a tiny group "behind" him to the back border of the map. Then he followed the back border to the side border, and then to the opposite back border. He hugged the opposite back border all the way along it until he got to the other side border, then went halfway down it, before he spotted the enemy CV. All this took literally half the game. Was he successful in  sinking the enemy CV, who by this time had gotten four attack sorties off and was spotting the whole time with his fighter group? Nope, the enemy CV had an escort cruiser. Our CV lost all of his planes. He learned his lesson, right? Nope he did the exact same thing again. Ironically, just prior to the game ending, he stumbled onto a battleship on the other team who was border hugging himself and managed to get a strike in on it a few seconds before the timer ran out.  

Much as I dislike these border snipes, to be fair, how often do you see cruisers escorting carriers far behind the front lines these days?  Not often at all.  Mind you, that doesn't excuse him border hugging his squadrons, but these days it really is dumb luck to run into an escort cruiser with a carrier.

OTOH, if I'm in a cruiser with great AA (probably a Cleveland or Atlanta) and I don't see the enemy carrier planes for a long time, and I'm fairly near the carrier, I will make a bee line for the CV on the theory that there's a border hugging CV strike inbound.  And more often than not, I've been right.

 

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2 hours ago, StoneRhino said:

Agreed, most snipes are "wow, too much AA that way. I'll go this way. Oh look a stationary cv"... 

This is how I end up with most of my CV kills.  However, what's even more of a riot is you are playing CV for awhile and haven't seen bombers for the first three minutes of the game so you send back a squad of planes for protection.  You then shoot down all his bombers after he wasted 5 minutes to tour the border.

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Kaga is pretty much the last one strike CV killer and then its really only vs a Saipan.

CV killing was the beta way and still quite popular early after release when the seasoned CV drivers knew if one pair did a joint pre emptive kill on an enemy CV, the match was in the bag. The Ryujo with 3 TB squads was particularly good at it. CV killing was so popular early on that the 'panic' AA button was added to CV's T8 and up.

Only the rookies do it now, the math of 'time invested/damage done' comes up very low when compared to striking BB's that are closer with a larger HP pool.

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You just notice crappy CV play a lot more because there are so few of them to spread out amongst all the matches.

Then combine that with the fact it's a really powerful platform and good players get noticed, while suck players get noticed even more...

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