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Least played T10 BB in the last two weeks?  I don't see them much anymore, did they get a big nerf that I missed?

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You must realize the most people playing her, even now freed/payed to play her right? It takes a while to actually grind to get her.

 

Tho... I have seen some people playing her this evening that were completely clueless, ONE GUY WAS SHOOTING AP!!!!!????

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No nerf other than time between heals shortly after release. It was never as OP as some people thought. I imagine people moved on to other ships.

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Certainly does seem less popular in the last two weeks. Then again, people have had time to grind out the other three BB lines to tier 10 for quite some time, so that number of games played  may just be representative of the number of actual Conquerors in the game.

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1 hour ago, this_might_be_slak__ said:

You must realize the most people playing her, even now freed/payed to play her right? It takes a while to actually grind to get her.

 

Tho... I have seen some people playing her this evening that were completely clueless, ONE GUY WAS SHOOTING AP!!!!!????

whats wrong shooting AP at burning ships..whats wrong shooting ap at broadside ships? dang you must experience lot more battle and see more to understand uk bb works..not just HE is good, but AP works too

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It feels cheep. In 34 games with it I probably have 4 of 5 of my top all time damage games compared to 9000 other games. I am all for winning but would prefer a harder ship to play and do well than spam talentless shots at people. I hit one with four torps in my Benson once and he repaired and healed and was stronger for the experience...total [edited].

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41 minutes ago, bandits86 said:

whats wrong shooting AP at burning ships..whats wrong shooting ap at broadside ships? dang you must experience lot more battle and see more to understand uk bb works..not just HE is good, but AP works too

This guy gets it...

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Haven't bought her yet, need credits badly. Been grinding on a different game though, for a while.

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I want her, but not for her 12 guns, I'll be using the 457s because I quite literally do not want to play a Larger Zao. (I anyway don't wanna play Zao.)

But also people realized she's not as OP anymore and moved on. There's a reason to why Montana is the go-to ship for CW.

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20 hours ago, Ramsalot said:

Least played T10 BB in the last two weeks?  I don't see them much anymore, did they get a big nerf that I missed?

Conk can't carry. She piles up gaudy damage numbers, but she doesn't win. Check the NA server stats: in solo battles the last two weeks she is third among the four T10 BBs in win rates. In two-ship divisions she is the leader, but in three-ship divisions she is third again in overall win rate. The good players have already figured out that they can carry in Montana or GK, but not in Conk, so they play her less. I seldom play my Conk, because I know if I play my Montana I will usually meaningfully affect the outcome of the game. Monty has really improved since her citadel is lowered... my own view is that 150K in Conk damage has the same effect as 100K of Monty damage...

Now if only I could figure out Yammy.....

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Don't forget that in addition to nerfing time between heals, WG also nerfed fire duration on DDs and CAs.  That's an indirect nerf to HE slinging ships like...  the entire UKBB line :)

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The ship is pretty horrendous to fight against. The ship had too many advantages and few weaknesses. I guess there is only so much people can play before they tire of her.

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It's also unrewarding. Hitting something at range with my Yamato is awesome and brawling with Grober Kurfurst is awesome. I don't have the Montana but she seems the same way, fun.

 

CQ has horrible dispersion at range and even sort to close. It's kind of a sneak around for good shots ship. Just not that fun.

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Conq no one scared anymore, Montana if play accuracy long reload, GK play secondaries but long reload, Yamato ok maybe except sometime rng not on your side. shoot and pray get high damage while waiting another 26s -30s to shoot again..mehh play dd or cruiser lot fun more agile more too shoot..

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3 hours ago, bandits86 said:

whats wrong shooting AP at burning ships..whats wrong shooting ap at broadside ships? dang you must experience lot more battle and see more to understand uk bb works..not just HE is good, but AP works too

 

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I can think of three reasons....
 

1. It's just not that fun or engaging of a ship to play.  Good for a laugh every now and again, but by and large a very simple play style.  I personally would just prefer to play a real BB(Yamato) or go find a proper cruiser.  

2. The nerf actually had a significant impact on the ship.  For me the greatest joy of playing the Conqueror when it first came out was to charge forward and act as a damage sponge, living life on the edge and abusing the crap out of AR.  Now that the heal cool down is so long, it's more than possible to overwhelm a Conqueror's damage repair and kill it before it can get its 2nd heal.  This is turn forces Conquerors to play more passive, which only exacerbates my first point.

3.  The fire prevention captain's skill massively reduces the Conqueror's effectiveness, and more and more people are running it.  It's hard to get those "lol-burn" triple fire volleys on a ship with fire prevention, which in turn means it takes far longer to actually burn down a BB with a Conqueror, which in turn makes the Conqueror even more of a useless damage farmer.  

 

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I still enjoy the Conqueror and take mine out from time to time when I just want a relaxing high damage game or if I need to farm more fire flags, but it's not what it used to be and for sheer entertainment value I think there are better options 

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I think it's just not fun. Spam HE at range? BORING. I think skilled players can use the concealment and proper ammo to really be a threat, but there's not many who can play that way.

 

RN BBs in general aren't great for carrying. I know in Ranked I hated having a Monarch on my team, and didn't worry about one on the enemy team. They all sat way back and spammed HE, doing nothing for the objective. Didn't worry about them because at worse you were going to get hit with a couple of HE salvoes and set on fire. You can put up big numbers with RN BBs, and be annoying to the point of death to enemy ships (cruisers IMO have it worse, angle doesn't matter, you're going to take a bunch of damage, lose steering, engine, or both, and probably get lit on fire). However, they can't swing a game the way a broadside of AP can.

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17 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

I think it's just not fun. Spam HE at range? BORING. I think skilled players can use the concealment and proper ammo to really be a threat, but there's not many who can play that way.

 

RN BBs in general aren't great for carrying. I know in Ranked I hated having a Monarch on my team, and didn't worry about one on the enemy team. They all sat way back and spammed HE, doing nothing for the objective. Didn't worry about them because at worse you were going to get hit with a couple of HE salvoes and set on fire. You can put up big numbers with RN BBs, and be annoying to the point of death to enemy ships (cruisers IMO have it worse, angle doesn't matter, you're going to take a bunch of damage, lose steering, engine, or both, and probably get lit on fire). However, they can't swing a game the way a broadside of AP can.

The Monarch isn't really comparable with the Lion or Conqueror, it has neither of the two main advantages of the tier 9/10 - the super heal and the ridiculous fire starting %.  When I was in the Monarch I shot 50/50 because the AP was anemic at long range, unlike the AP from a North Carolina or Alabama that is always a threat at range.

A lot of people "bought" the Conq by paying with free xp to rush the line, a lot of them were bad or mediocre.  Once the heal got nerfed, they started dying early because they couldn't time out their damage mitigation between heals.  As someone mentioned, a lot of people started using Fire Prevention for CB builds and kept them like that for random play.  This further reduced the value to certain players and they moved on to the next new flavor of the moment.  The ship is actually balanced now, and when used properly can be just as effective as any of the tier 10 BB's.

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26 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

I think it's just not fun. Spam HE at range? BORING. I think skilled players can use the concealment and proper ammo to really be a threat, but there's not many who can play that way.

 

RN BBs in general aren't great for carrying. I know in Ranked I hated having a Monarch on my team, and didn't worry about one on the enemy team. They all sat way back and spammed HE, doing nothing for the objective. Didn't worry about them because at worse you were going to get hit with a couple of HE salvoes and set on fire. You can put up big numbers with RN BBs, and be annoying to the point of death to enemy ships (cruisers IMO have it worse, angle doesn't matter, you're going to take a bunch of damage, lose steering, engine, or both, and probably get lit on fire). However, they can't swing a game the way a broadside of AP can.

Its how the WG made the UK bb line , better at sniping and burn burn..Try brawling in it, so damn easy to get damage even when in bow, back to back row , heal and spam HE back..its been like that snce they introduce UK bb line.wont change anytime soon unless they put mega heavy upgrade on secondaries or other stuff. maybe or ..not..uk bb line easy to collect dreadnought flag..

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2 hours ago, Hunter_Steel said:

I want her, but not for her 12 guns, I'll be using the 457s because I quite literally do not want to play a Larger Zao. (I anyway don't wanna play Zao.)

But also people realized she's not as OP anymore and moved on. There's a reason to why Montana is the go-to ship for CW.

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The 457mm guns are trash on the Mongqueror. I tried them for a few games and was very disappointed. The dispersion is awful, and with fewer guns on top of that, good luck making use of that large caliber.

You would be much better off (and happier) playing the Yamato if you want to play with LOLPEN guns. 

I don't spend a lot of time in the Mongqueror anymore because it's a pretty boring ship to play. It can be pretty troll, but it teaches bad habits. 

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17 minutes ago, DOCTOR_CITADEL said:

I would be much better off (and happier) playing in the finals. 

 

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6 hours ago, this_might_be_slak__ said:

You must realize the most people playing her, even now freed/payed to play her right? It takes a while to actually grind to get her.

 

Tho... I have seen some people playing her this evening that were completely clueless, ONE GUY WAS SHOOTING AP!!!!!????

The RN BB's have been out long enough for the hard grinding high win rate players to get there. I think the reason we are not seeing as many is it is a one trick pony or at least most think that completely forgetting about the 2 key.

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