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Scharnhorst vs Gneisenau Ranked?

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Since we just had Ranked tier VI and Ranked tier VIII I am predicting next season will be tier VII so was looking over data from last time they did Ranked tier VII and am puzzled at how Scharnhorst could do a little better than Gneisenau when Gneisenau can hit harder with its guns, is slightly faster, and has the better AA?

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Scharn has better dpm and better accuracy. The Ginny has better AA and speed, but worse turning and is longer. If I had to choose (IE gun to my head) I'd pick Scharn.

Yet tier 7 ranked will be filled with Belfasts/Fijis and any other ship that has a stupid high DPM. 

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There's probably a mix of Scharn's attributes winning out (ROF vs. penetration) but also player base bias towards the premium ship.

 

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Yeah despite the fact that Scharnhorst is said to have trouble penetrating BB armor you guys do have a point about there being a lot of CAs in tier VII Ranked...

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1 minute ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

Yeah despite the fact that Scharnhorst is said to have trouble penetrating BB armor you guys do have a point about there being a lot of CAs in tier VII Ranked...

Smack the super structures, you can farm serious damage...if not just use HE. 

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i am really not afraid of giving gnei my broadside

bow on gnei only has 4 guns, relatively harmless even to broadside cruisers

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T7 was already pure premium matches. The problem is the balance since you can bring ships like the Belfast, Scharnhorst and Kaga.

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I should buy a Saipan and just shut down Kagas. 

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19 minutes ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

Yeah despite the fact that Scharnhorst is said to have trouble penetrating BB armor you guys do have a point about there being a lot of CAs in tier VII Ranked...

283mm/11 inch guns on Scharnhorst have no problems against other same tier BBs if you know where to aim with them. 

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The lynchpin to wins in ranked is the ability to kill the enemy DDs. Without question, the Scharnhorst is better than a Gneisenau at killing DDs. DPM + 2 more shells (bow on) gives the Scharnhorst the DD killing capability that the Gneisenau lacks.

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3 minutes ago, _Big_Lou_ said:

The lynchpin to wins in ranked is the ability to kill the enemy DDs. Without question, the Scharnhorst is better than a Gneisenau at killing DDs. DPM + 2 more shells (bow on) gives the Scharnhorst the DD killing capability that the Gneisenau lacks.

20 second reload and a tighter turning circle is a BIG deal, when you can avoid torps and swing your secondary battery around. 

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Sharn could hunt anything in ranked, including DD, and more fire starting capability.  Could put my 19 point Bismarck captain in and set up for secondaries. 

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Pick Nagato :-)

In Ranked all you need as a BB is striking power and both German BBs lack in this department. Scharnhorst is great fun in random but for ranked clearly inferior to Nagato.

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Whatever tier that gets picked, I hope matches are better than the crap this season.

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1 hour ago, jason199506 said:

i am really not afraid of giving gnei my broadside

bow on gnei only has 4 guns, relatively harmless even to broadside cruisers

^This. It's funny watching Gneis fire and see shells go whizzing all over. I wouldn't sit broadside because they do get lucky, but bow-on I don't fear Gneis in a CA. It's dispersion is so bad it will be lucky to hit you. Scharn is a much more consistent performer. Her guns have far less punch but at least she can it. I hated my time in Gneis, so much so I used free xp to get past her after a few weeks. The accuracy combined with 6 guns is just abominable. I've seen Gneisenau's salvos completely bracket an Izumo at 12k for zero hits. Izumo has a freaking Chrysler Building on its back so that takes some work.  

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Depends on the meta. If its DD or cruiser heavy Scharnhorst is better. If its BB heavy Gneisenau is better. Scharnhorst strugles a little against BBs due to the small gun calliber. But the better RoF and accuracy makes better against DDs and cruisers. 

 

*But If the meta is BB heavy other ships might be better than Gneisenau.

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2 minutes ago, Dodgy_Cookies said:

I forsee the scharn being out done by KGV next season.

Lol as long as nobody tries using Duke of York :Smile_teethhappy:

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2 minutes ago, Xlap said:

Depends on the meta. If its DD or cruiser heavy Scharnhorst is better. If its BB heavy Gneisenau is better. Scharnhorst strugles a little against BBs due to the small gun calliber. But the better RoF and accuracy makes better against DDs and cruisers. 

The meta at least in last couple seasons goes BB Heavy, then swings into DD heavy, then goes CA Heavy, then back to the BBs. Seems to cycle to the next one about every 12 or 24 hours.

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next rank battles might be tier 6.with all the tier 6`s they gave out as rewards for the missions

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Very hard to pick really... I like both of them a ton..I run my Sharn more, simply because of the ROF when dealing with pesky DDs....I like to push with my DDs, and the Sharn is much better at it when you load HE... 

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I am hoping for tier 1, 2, or 3 for Ranked, in that order.

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16 minutes ago, atsiv said:

next rank battles might be tier 6.with all the tier 6`s they gave out as rewards for the missions

There are a few accidental indications they gave out indicating tier 7, for example the DOY Campain said to use DOY in Co-OP, Randoms, and Ranked. Only problem is DOY is a tier 7, other thing that came to mind with all the tier VI ships they gave us all included +50% XP Camos which means it will be extremely easy to have tier 7 ships in hand by the time next season arrives.

I am keeping some tier VI ships ready just in case, but do find that little requirement in DOY campaign intriguing.

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Oh yes, goodness.  I am 10X as effective in my Scharnhorst than the Gneisenau.  The Scharnhorst is a "get in close and brawl" battle cruiser which works with 6KM torps and rapid loading small caliber guns.  Try getting within 6 km of dds and cvs with the gneisenau and see how fast you turn to ash.  I think the Scharnhorst has better synergy with it's weapon systems and allows you to be more effective in a broader variety of situations.

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