3,578 Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 12,690 posts 14,320 battles Report post #1 Posted January 29, 2018 Since we just had Ranked tier VI and Ranked tier VIII I am predicting next season will be tier VII so was looking over data from last time they did Ranked tier VII and am puzzled at how Scharnhorst could do a little better than Gneisenau when Gneisenau can hit harder with its guns, is slightly faster, and has the better AA? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,471 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,610 posts 7,430 battles Report post #2 Posted January 29, 2018 Scharn has better dpm and better accuracy. The Ginny has better AA and speed, but worse turning and is longer. If I had to choose (IE gun to my head) I'd pick Scharn. Yet tier 7 ranked will be filled with Belfasts/Fijis and any other ship that has a stupid high DPM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,169 [SYN] mofton [SYN] Members 9,313 posts 18,914 battles Report post #3 Posted January 29, 2018 There's probably a mix of Scharn's attributes winning out (ROF vs. penetration) but also player base bias towards the premium ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,578 Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 12,690 posts 14,320 battles Report post #4 Posted January 29, 2018 Yeah despite the fact that Scharnhorst is said to have trouble penetrating BB armor you guys do have a point about there being a lot of CAs in tier VII Ranked... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,471 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,610 posts 7,430 battles Report post #5 Posted January 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said: Yeah despite the fact that Scharnhorst is said to have trouble penetrating BB armor you guys do have a point about there being a lot of CAs in tier VII Ranked... Smack the super structures, you can farm serious damage...if not just use HE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
502 [AP] jason199506 Members 1,373 posts 20,488 battles Report post #6 Posted January 29, 2018 i am really not afraid of giving gnei my broadside bow on gnei only has 4 guns, relatively harmless even to broadside cruisers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,140 [MCWF] K1ra_Yoshikage Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 7,026 posts 29,105 battles Report post #7 Posted January 29, 2018 T7 was already pure premium matches. The problem is the balance since you can bring ships like the Belfast, Scharnhorst and Kaga. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,471 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,610 posts 7,430 battles Report post #8 Posted January 29, 2018 I should buy a Saipan and just shut down Kagas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
306 [UDEAD] NCC81701 Beta Testers 994 posts 12,711 battles Report post #9 Posted January 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said: Yeah despite the fact that Scharnhorst is said to have trouble penetrating BB armor you guys do have a point about there being a lot of CAs in tier VII Ranked... 283mm/11 inch guns on Scharnhorst have no problems against other same tier BBs if you know where to aim with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
188 _Big_Lou_ Members 396 posts 13,683 battles Report post #10 Posted January 29, 2018 The lynchpin to wins in ranked is the ability to kill the enemy DDs. Without question, the Scharnhorst is better than a Gneisenau at killing DDs. DPM + 2 more shells (bow on) gives the Scharnhorst the DD killing capability that the Gneisenau lacks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,471 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,610 posts 7,430 battles Report post #11 Posted January 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, _Big_Lou_ said: The lynchpin to wins in ranked is the ability to kill the enemy DDs. Without question, the Scharnhorst is better than a Gneisenau at killing DDs. DPM + 2 more shells (bow on) gives the Scharnhorst the DD killing capability that the Gneisenau lacks. 20 second reload and a tighter turning circle is a BIG deal, when you can avoid torps and swing your secondary battery around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
448 [RCNW3] Panzer1113 Members 2,004 posts 27,016 battles Report post #12 Posted January 29, 2018 Sharn could hunt anything in ranked, including DD, and more fire starting capability. Could put my 19 point Bismarck captain in and set up for secondaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
194 lron_Dog_of_Jutland Members 784 posts 62 battles Report post #13 Posted January 29, 2018 Pick Nagato :-) In Ranked all you need as a BB is striking power and both German BBs lack in this department. Scharnhorst is great fun in random but for ranked clearly inferior to Nagato. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,085 [WOLF2] TheDreadnought Beta Testers 4,720 posts Report post #14 Posted January 29, 2018 Hard to say. They are both good. I can't pick my favorite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,202 [HC] SgtBeltfed [HC] Beta Testers 3,973 posts 13,744 battles Report post #15 Posted January 29, 2018 Whatever tier that gets picked, I hope matches are better than the crap this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
943 [NUWES] Tzarevitch Members 3,849 posts 16,007 battles Report post #16 Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, jason199506 said: i am really not afraid of giving gnei my broadside bow on gnei only has 4 guns, relatively harmless even to broadside cruisers ^This. It's funny watching Gneis fire and see shells go whizzing all over. I wouldn't sit broadside because they do get lucky, but bow-on I don't fear Gneis in a CA. It's dispersion is so bad it will be lucky to hit you. Scharn is a much more consistent performer. Her guns have far less punch but at least she can it. I hated my time in Gneis, so much so I used free xp to get past her after a few weeks. The accuracy combined with 6 guns is just abominable. I've seen Gneisenau's salvos completely bracket an Izumo at 12k for zero hits. Izumo has a freaking Chrysler Building on its back so that takes some work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
108 [BAKED] Dodgy_Cookies Members 918 posts 12,366 battles Report post #17 Posted January 29, 2018 I forsee the scharn being out done by KGV next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,299 [VCRUZ] Xlap Members 4,049 posts 9,180 battles Report post #18 Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) Depends on the meta. If its DD or cruiser heavy Scharnhorst is better. If its BB heavy Gneisenau is better. Scharnhorst strugles a little against BBs due to the small gun calliber. But the better RoF and accuracy makes better against DDs and cruisers. *But If the meta is BB heavy other ships might be better than Gneisenau. Edited January 29, 2018 by Xlap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,578 Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 12,690 posts 14,320 battles Report post #19 Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dodgy_Cookies said: I forsee the scharn being out done by KGV next season. Lol as long as nobody tries using Duke of York Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,578 Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 12,690 posts 14,320 battles Report post #20 Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Xlap said: Depends on the meta. If its DD or cruiser heavy Scharnhorst is better. If its BB heavy Gneisenau is better. Scharnhorst strugles a little against BBs due to the small gun calliber. But the better RoF and accuracy makes better against DDs and cruisers. The meta at least in last couple seasons goes BB Heavy, then swings into DD heavy, then goes CA Heavy, then back to the BBs. Seems to cycle to the next one about every 12 or 24 hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3 atsiv Beta Testers 53 posts 9,503 battles Report post #21 Posted January 29, 2018 next rank battles might be tier 6.with all the tier 6`s they gave out as rewards for the missions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,762 Sir_Davos_Seaworth Members 4,272 posts 5,302 battles Report post #22 Posted January 29, 2018 Very hard to pick really... I like both of them a ton..I run my Sharn more, simply because of the ROF when dealing with pesky DDs....I like to push with my DDs, and the Sharn is much better at it when you load HE... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,206 [PVE] Sovereigndawg Members 12,079 posts 21,321 battles Report post #23 Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) I am hoping for tier 1, 2, or 3 for Ranked, in that order. Edited January 29, 2018 by Sovereigndawg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,578 Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 12,690 posts 14,320 battles Report post #24 Posted January 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, atsiv said: next rank battles might be tier 6.with all the tier 6`s they gave out as rewards for the missions There are a few accidental indications they gave out indicating tier 7, for example the DOY Campain said to use DOY in Co-OP, Randoms, and Ranked. Only problem is DOY is a tier 7, other thing that came to mind with all the tier VI ships they gave us all included +50% XP Camos which means it will be extremely easy to have tier 7 ships in hand by the time next season arrives. I am keeping some tier VI ships ready just in case, but do find that little requirement in DOY campaign intriguing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
376 [ANK-S] SatansOilcan Members 460 posts 21,126 battles Report post #25 Posted January 29, 2018 Oh yes, goodness. I am 10X as effective in my Scharnhorst than the Gneisenau. The Scharnhorst is a "get in close and brawl" battle cruiser which works with 6KM torps and rapid loading small caliber guns. Try getting within 6 km of dds and cvs with the gneisenau and see how fast you turn to ash. I think the Scharnhorst has better synergy with it's weapon systems and allows you to be more effective in a broader variety of situations. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
