Why do so many people not use camo?

[GregL385]

It really should not come as a surprise at this point but I just still am amazed that people to this day do not use just even base camos when playing. It truly is something I will never understand. I just would like to know from people who do not use camo what your reasoning for it is? Money? The looks? Just dont want to waste them? What is the reason because I swear people who do not use camos are usually your bottom of the barrel tier players who refuse to help your team in something so simple. 

Can anyone give a real reason?

[A_Crying_Hipster]

Same reason why people do this... 

Stupidity is as hard to understand as it is for some to master. 

[Feminist]

There's not much point in using it. Camo makes what, a 3% difference? If you suck without camo, camo isn't going to magically make you better. Good players don't need camo to perform well. 

[Snargfargle]

Some camo can bring in a lot of credits when sold. Many use it as a source of income. I play a lot of ARP ships, which have no camo and do OK in them. The only ship where camo is a necessity is a DD as without it a camoed DD of the same type and configuration will spot you before you spot it.

I bought permanent camo for my Cleveland and really like it. I got the doubloons for it in a supercontainer.  Several other ships also have permanent camo, thanks to winning it in various contests.  

[pyantoryng]

It costs silver. Therefore bad.

[Brhinosaurus]

Camo will not make a bad player good, and a good player can be good without it, but for those of us fighting it out in the middle of the pack it's hard to justify going without.  I don't know how much the dispersion increase really matters, but if you're playing a ship where detection counts, knocking a few tenths of a km off your detection range could be a life or death difference.

[Colonel_Potter]

Some people would rather use their credits or doubloons, or even real life money, for more important things than camo.   Plus, paying the amount in credits even for the base camo may be too expensive for some people if they ever want to upgrade their ships, or get new ones.  Not everyone is a Unicum ya know, and don't make the kind of credits Unicums do.  Or they don't have any premium ships to make extra credits.  So yeah, not everyone can even afford to put on the base camo.

[GregL385]

1 minute ago, Colonel_Potter said:

Some people would rather use their credits or doubloons, or even real life money, for more important things than camo.   Plus, paying the amount in credits even for the base camo may be too expensive for some people if they ever want to upgrade their ships, or get new ones.  Not everyone is a Unicum ya know, and don't make the kind of credits Unicums do.

Are you playing so poorly you cant afford a simple 7500 silver camo?

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Camo for the concealment buff is important to me, for lots of ships, even Battleships.  Personally, I view non-camo players as idiots and it typically holds true in a match.  The worst?  When you see Non-RU DDs without camo.  What a POS.

[Colonel_Potter]

4 minutes ago, GregL385 said:

Are you playing so poorly you cant afford a simple 7500 silver camo?

I admit, I am not a great player.  And I honestly don't care.  But I never said me.  I always have camo on my ships unless I forget to put a new one on after one of the reward camos run out.  Anyway,  I know there are worse players out there than I.  Was just making a point.  Not everyone wants to put credits towards camo if they're trying to get a new ship or upgrades.

[GregL385]

2 minutes ago, Colonel_Potter said:

I admit, I am not a great player.  And I honestly don't care.  But I never said me.  I always have camo on my ships unless I forget to put a new one on after one of the reward camos run out.  Anyway,  I know there are worse players out there than I.  Was just making a point.  Not everyone wants to put credits towards camo if they're trying to get a new ship or upgrades.

The idea is that camo can help you in game which can boost your performance which in turn gets you more credits. 

To not wear camo at all just results in your team at the very start just having players who are incapable of grasping basic game mechanics. 

[Colonel_Potter]

Well, you were asking why, I provided a reason why.  I didn't come here to debate with you, just gave what you asked for.  Anyway, have a nice day finding someone else to debate the ethics of not using camo.  I have a game to play, free XP weekend, and I am wasting my time on the forums. 

[Wombatmetal]

Has anyone ever gone into a training room and scientifically tested to see if camo has real benefits? If it does you should be able to quantify it

[GuntherPrein]

1 hour ago, GregL385 said:

It really should not come as a surprise at this point but I just still am amazed that people to this day do not use just even base camos when playing. It truly is something I will never understand. I just would like to know from people who do not use camo what your reasoning for it is? Money? The looks? Just dont want to waste them? What is the reason because I swear people who do not use camos are usually your bottom of the barrel tier players who refuse to help your team in something so simple. 

Can anyone give a real reason?

If they do gud and have no camo they probably using a mod I call dodge shells god mode engaged

[Kizarvexis]

4 minutes ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said:

Has anyone ever gone into a training room and scientifically tested to see if camo has real benefits? If it does you should be able to quantify it

 

For the Detectability you can do the math. If you have a 10km detect range and you put on 3% camo, you are now detected at 9.7km. It is not much, but it can mean the difference for some people. For some ships, it is the difference in stealth torping or not.

[Feminist]

4 minutes ago, Kizarvexis said:

 

For the Detectability you can do the math. If you have a 10km detect range and you put on 3% camo, you are now detected at 9.7km. It is not much, but it can mean the difference for some people. For some ships, it is the difference in stealth torping or not.

The sidebar shows change in detection distance as you equip camo.

[m373x]

1 hour ago, Feminist said:

There's not much point in using it. Camo makes what, a 3% difference? If you suck without camo, camo isn't going to magically make you better. Good players don't need camo to perform well. 

This. Camo or no camo I do well in any ship (DDs included). Why would I use my hard earned credits on camo when it gives so little. It's an open secret among unicums that camo is just a credit sink and a placebo.

[shiroko_prpr]

For destroyers, especially non-Russian destroyers, even the slightest of detection advantage matters. 

 

And if it cost pennies to give yourself an advantage, why wouldn't you? 

[Horama]

I usually don’t use camo in Randoms, but I certainly do in Ranked.  For me, it is a looks thing.  I play a lot of IJN and I think their camos (excluding perm camos which actually look quite nice IMO) look awful.  As for the other nations, I just tend to prefer the look of the ship without camo.  Basically, I like almost every perm camo and run them on whatever ships I have them for but don’t tend to like the look of other camos.  In ranked, I take the stat increase over looks, obviously, and always mount camo.

[GregL385]

1 minute ago, Horama said:

 For me, it is a looks thing.

So why dont you just get a mod that cleans up how certain camos look?

Also if you have Yamamoto collection done you can switch the camo from green to blue. You deliberately hurt your team through personal preference. Randoms and Ranked are the same thing essentially...one just offers you rewards for more suffering. 

[Horama]

8 minutes ago, GregL385 said:

So why dont you just get a mod that cleans up how certain camos look?

Also if you have Yamamoto collection done you can switch the camo from green to blue. You deliberately hurt your team through personal preference. Randoms and Ranked are the same thing essentially...one just offers you rewards for more suffering. 

I understand that being a team player is important, but at the end of the day, I play for my own enjoyment.  As for mods, I ran a camo replacement mod for a while actually, before I got a strike for it.  No way am i running mods again.

edit: I don’t have Yamamoto campaign or collection complete.

[puxflacet]

Maybe because they cant stand looking at them

 

[SireneRacker]

1 hour ago, GregL385 said:

It really should not come as a surprise at this point but I just still am amazed that people to this day do not use just even base camos when playing. It truly is something I will never understand. I just would like to know from people who do not use camo what your reasoning for it is? Money? The looks? Just dont want to waste them? What is the reason because I swear people who do not use camos are usually your bottom of the barrel tier players who refuse to help your team in something so simple. 

Can anyone give a real reason?

I play a lot of ships without camo, though if I have a permanent camo I will use it. 

Reason is that I don‘t need the camo to do well, or Premium Consumables, or Signal Flags. So I save them for Competitive play and use them there, because there I want to be as strong as possible.

[awildseaking]

I actually wonder if some players just don't know you can buy camo with silver. It's too important not to take the detection reduction, especially for dds. You literally cannot contest other dds without it.

[Snargfargle]

44 minutes ago, awildseaking said:

I actually wonder if some players just don't know you can buy camo with silver. It's too important not to take the detection reduction, especially for dds. You literally cannot contest other dds without it.

As poorly some people play high-tier ships, I think that they are family members playing someone else's account. Either this or some gaming cafes have shared accounts that people play just as a "pew pew pew" game.