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Any DD's worth playing anymore that aren't premiums?

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Plenty of them are.

If you really wanna just seal club, stick a 19pt into Clemson.

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USN DDs can do everything.  Better torpedo boats then the IJN Torpedo boats, and better gunboats then the Russian DDs and can maneuver better them all of them.  Play them.

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I am really liking the z46/52  and   chungmu.     just lot of fun in different way.

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Ummmmmmm.... the entire US DD line? Fletcher is my current favorite.

I've been having a lot of fun with the Pan Asia line too.

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Fletcher, Benson, Clemson

Akizuki, Hatsuharu, Shiratsuyu

Gadjah Mada

Kiev, Tashkent, Udaloi, Ognevoi, Khabarovsk

V-25, Z-46, Z-52

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Fletcher, Gearing, ChungMu, YueYang, Gadjah Mada, Udaloi, Khabarovsk, Benson B Hull, Kiev.....

If you can't have fun playing those boats well I can't help you. 

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Except Mahan, that bote is ship.

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I always play the Gremy, my other DD's are one trick ponies.

...and I like the Sims

...and these aren't regular boats

 

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What Premiums do you believe are so amazing in the DD range?

For me you have the Leningrad as a good performing ship all-around, but then you have others that specialise (Kidd) or need very good Captains to work well (Harekaze). For me you have as many ships in the Tech Tree that are just as good (already listed above in other posts).

 

It also depends on your playstyle - MrDeaf states the Mahan is 'not so good', yet I scored my best damage game with her (230k). She is one of my stronger performing DDs on average - Everyone is different.

 

@NorCal60 Why do you feel you are limited to Premiums?

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1 minute ago, _WaveRider_ said:

What Premiums do you believe are so amazing in the DD range?

For me you have the Leningrad as a good performing ship all-around, but then you have others that specialise (Kidd) or need very good Captains to work well (Harekaze). For me you have as many ships in the Tech Tree that are just as good (already listed above in other posts).

 

It also depends on your playstyle - MrDeaf states the Mahan is 'not so good', yet I scored my best damage game with her (230k). She is one of my stronger performing DDs on average - Everyone is different.

 

@NorCal60 Why do you feel you are limited to Premiums?

The Kamikazi R.  It's a one trick money that didn't have it's one trick nerfed.  Anytime I play it, I feel like a Submarine captain from Battlestations Pacific, hunting down surface ships.

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7 minutes ago, Sventex said:

The Kamikazi R.  It's a one trick money that didn't have it's one trick nerfed.  Anytime I play it, I feel like a Submarine captain from Battlestations Pacific, hunting down surface ships.

Unfortunately no longer available. Yet 7 ships score higher damage at that tier and also have a K/D range within 0.3.

However @NorCal60, none of the other type ships in the that group have been removed - so 'OP' is obviously subjective depending what ship you play. :Smile_Default:

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1 hour ago, NorCal60 said:

Thoughts?

Yes ... vast majority of tech tree DDs are great, in every nation. American tier 4 is a seal clubber. Tier 8-X are excellent ships. IJN are all good, tier 4+ on both lines. Germans are great above tier 5.

There arent that many premium DDs that are good anymore, most fell to power creep.

- Blysk and Leningrad have been greatly affected by loss of stealth fire. Also introduction of Ghaja became a problem for them because it can outgun both of them if you are not careful. 

- Gremy fell to power creep pretty hard, the ship itself is as good as its always been but now it's constantly matched against tier 7 DDs that absolutely murder it in any kind of gunfight.

- Galant is ... well its not bad, but its not all that great either.

- Sims is a piece of sh*t like its always been.

- Harekaze is nothing special, very similar to tech tree ship.

- Cambletown is a bit of a joke at lower tiers.

- Kamikaze/Fujin are the only DDs that may be considered a bit OP for their tier, but not many people play them anymore. 

- Shinonome is similar enough to Fubuki, maybe a bit better, but not by enough to warrant b*tching about it.

In conclusion, there arent many premium DDs that are worth playing over the tech tree ships. There is a surprisingly fair balance between DDs in the game - and no, IJN are not underpowered like people keep b*tching all the time.

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I don't feel limited to Premiums.

Other than ship stats, I feel the Premiums have a better algorithm.

 

 

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One more vote for the US line.  Clemson is a low-tier beast, Farragut & Mahan are still solid, and Benson, Fletcher, & Gearing are monsters.

The Soviet line plays different but is a lot of fun as well.  If you have/like the Leningrad, it's tech tree counterpart is the T8 Kiev (pretty much identical save for worse concealment).  Ognevoi is a massively underrated ship at T8, and of course the Khabarovsk seems incredible every time one demolishes my Trashkent.

There's still some gems left in the IJN line as well.  Umikaze is still great for the dedicated seal clubber, Yugumo is vastly underappreciated, and the Shimakaze is insane when played well.  Probably some others, but I haven't played many from that tree recently (Shiratsuyu I remember as being a lot of fun).

The Gaede is a heap of fun in the German line, once you equip her cruiser-wrecking 150mm guns.  Maass is also a very solid DD that I generally enjoy playing...haven't gotten further down that tree yet, but the reviews seem strong on the high tier KM destroyers, too.

Gadjah Mada has been very enjoyable so far in the PA line.

So, yeah....there are plenty of good non-premium destroyers in the game right now. 

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12 minutes ago, _WaveRider_ said:

Unfortunately no longer available. Yet 7 ships score higher damage at that tier and also have a K/D range within 0.3.

However @NorCal60, none of the other type ships in the that group have been removed - so 'OP' is obviously subjective depending what ship you play. :Smile_Default:

Doesn’t need to be OP.  It offers a unique style of gameplay no longer available with it’s fast reloading stealth firing torpedoes and best concealment.  That makes it worth playing, beyond the potential for seal clubbing.  Like I mentioned, the ship is reminiscent of submarine combat, which makes it interesting.

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Not really, no.

 

Gearing and Khaba were it, Udaloi and Fletcher. But WG has murdered them all. Get used to team play with high level DDs. The days of a high tier Destroyer carrying have been limited.

 

Is it possible, sure, to carry hard in a high level DD. It doesn't happen often, spot, smoke and cap. Pass up damage and let the BBs do damage.

 

Yay

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The Fletcher is one of the best DDs in the game. I was in a tier X match with mine earlier today and sunk both a Montana and a Yamato, capped three caps, and came in second on the winning team. It was a heck of a match and we were down two two DDs versus their DD and a battleship right at the last but we pulled off the win when we sunk the Yamato and I caped the final cap. Unfortunately, I have my system set to automatically delete replays at the end of each day and I forgot to save it or I'd post it here. 

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Fletcher, Gearing, Gadjah, Yueyang, Khaba, Z-52

These are much better than any premium DD. 

In fact, as a DD main, I find the implied statement about premiums kind of silly... 

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Khaba, Shima and Gearing are a shell of what they were.

There was a time when players killed themselves to grind out these DDs, because they were so great. Better than any Premium, that was the point, you killed yourself (or spent $$$ to free them) to get to these amazing boats. WG killed it.now... it's pointless.

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29 minutes ago, this_might_be_slak__ said:

Gearing and Khaba were it, Udaloi and Fletcher. But WG has murdered them all. Get used to team play with high level DDs. The days of a high tier Destroyer carrying have been limited.

 

Is it possible, sure, to carry hard in a high level DD. It doesn't happen often, spot, smoke and cap. Pass up damage and let the BBs do damage.

 

Yay

A good player can carry every game in his TX DD, that is not a faceroll. 

Khaba and Gearing are still amazing, and if you can't play them, it is on you. 

And seriously, Fletcher?! That thing is too good. 

 

11 minutes ago, this_might_be_slak__ said:

Khaba, Shima and Gearing are a shell of what they were.

There was a time when players killed themselves to grind out these DDs, because they were so great. Better than any Premium, that was the point, you killed yourself (or spent $$$ to free them) to get to these amazing boats. WG killed it.now... it's pointless.

So which premium is better then? 

Shima is debatable, but Khaba and Gearing?! There is nothing better... 

Btw, to the guys who think Khaba was murdered: take double rudder shift

 

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4 minutes ago, Helmut__Kohl said:

Pfffff. 

A good player can carry every game in his TX DD, that is not a faceroll. 

Khaba and Gearing are still amazing, and if you can't play them, it is on you. 

And seriously, Fletcher?! That thing is too good. 

 

Cool bro, no. Khaba is no longer amazing and Gearing is garbage. They have been minimized to make BB players happy. But ok, pffffff, it's a game and WG is balancing it. Towards. Battleships.

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1 minute ago, this_might_be_slak__ said:

Cool bro, no. Khaba is no longer amazing and Gearing is garbage. They have been minimized to make BB players happy. But ok, pffffff, it's a game and WG is balancing it. Towards. Battleships.

Yeah I had removed that pffff already. 

But to be honest, these ships are amazing. You just need more experience, if you don't see that. 

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