173 [COB45] skull_122_steel Members 1,011 posts 3,472 battles Report post #1 Posted January 23, 2018 Is the Graf Spee a good buy I know everyone says its bad but why when I watch games with it they always seem to do good I may buy it after I get the Roma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,894 [HINON] Doomlock [HINON] Wiki Lead, Beta Testers, Privateers 6,801 posts 5,248 battles Report post #2 Posted January 23, 2018 I've enjoyed my Graf Spee, she's quite fun to punish other cruisers with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,233 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,705 posts 26,569 battles Report post #3 Posted January 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, skull_122_steel said: everyone says its bad Then 'everyone' is lying. While not OP by any stretch it still outperforms all T6 cruisers in winrate and most in DPG. Read Mouse's review. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
607 Ghostdog1355 Members 2,857 posts 9,224 battles Report post #4 Posted January 23, 2018 I like the ship. I play mostly BBs so when do play the Spee I have to remind myself that she's not a small BB and does have torps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
448 [RCNW3] Panzer1113 Members 2,002 posts 26,475 battles Report post #5 Posted January 23, 2018 Well worth the get for a tier 6 cruiser, especially if you are looking for German captain trainer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
54 [BB-57] My_no_no_spot Members 201 posts 23,338 battles Report post #6 Posted January 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, skull_122_steel said: Is the Graf Spee a good buy I know everyone says its bad but why when I watch games with it they always seem to do good I may buy it after I get the Roma A cruiser with BB size guns, 20 second reload and good torps. Oh and a nice heal option.....get her! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
900 [KILL] WES_HoundDog Members 1,444 posts 15,214 battles Report post #7 Posted January 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Lert said: Then 'everyone' is lying. While not OP by any stretch it still outperforms all T6 cruisers in winrate and most in DPG. Read Mouse's review. It is bad. The only reason it's got higher stats than every other tier 6 is because everyone that started playing the game played those tier 6's when they were still bad. Graf came out after they got better and just bsk the newbies in it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,233 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,705 posts 26,569 battles Report post #8 Posted January 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, WES_HoundDog said: It is bad. The only reason it's got higher stats than every other tier 6 is because everyone that started playing the game played those tier 6's when they were still bad. Graf came out after they got better and just bsk the newbies in it. Riiiiiiiight. And chickens fly, pigs can talk and Mozambique is a world leader in nuclear power development. 2 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
173 [COB45] skull_122_steel Members 1,011 posts 3,472 battles Report post #9 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) Edited January 23, 2018 by skull_122_steel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
173 [COB45] skull_122_steel Members 1,011 posts 3,472 battles Report post #10 Posted January 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, WES_HoundDog said: It is bad. The only reason it's got higher stats than every other tier 6 is because everyone that started playing the game played those tier 6's when they were still bad. Graf came out after they got better and just bsk the newbies in it. that doesn't seem to help the duca any but hey what do I know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
264 [LOS] Sinton Members 864 posts 19,782 battles Report post #11 Posted January 23, 2018 A year and a half ago I started buying tier 6 premiums. Graf was my least favorite at that time. Reload was slow, shot pattern seemed alll over the place, she was ponderous... a disappointment to be sure. The French De Grasse was my early favorite and I love her still, BUT... Graf has become my go to favorite Tier 6 cruiser. I have grown to love her guns, her speed is deliberate and with those wonderful heals she is a beautiful baby. A fine trainer! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,463 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,598 posts 7,430 battles Report post #12 Posted January 23, 2018 The people who primarily own the regular Graf Spee were already well seasoned cruiser captains: meaning they could exploit the ships strengths and mitigate its major weaknesses. It's really one of those "play if you have a skills" ships. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
938 [NUWES] Tzarevitch Members 3,848 posts 15,800 battles Report post #13 Posted January 23, 2018 It is a great ship. It is a slow CA with 6x BB guns and that's exactly how it plays. Plus it's Graf Spee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3 [SCF] fierymountain Members 67 posts 14,706 battles Report post #14 Posted January 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, skull_122_steel said: Is the Graf Spee a good buy I know everyone says its bad but why when I watch games with it they always seem to do good I may buy it after I get the Roma I eat cruisers and DDs for snacks. Right up until I meet the gun boat DD that kites me. This is all based on my aggressive charging forward play style. I also on a few occasions chased BBs. And if I angle it right, there is a good probability that I can charge close enough to launch my torpedoes within 4km range. Just be mindful that if the BB is in relative good health, your single torpedo broadside of 4 torpedoes usually won't be able to sink it. It will come close. This is most definitely true against the USN BBs. They can take torpedo damage much better than other nations. If you manage it right, between your fighter plane and sonar, you can almost keep up an around the clock torpedo spotting zone. You can try a secondary built. The range will end up at 6km. Overall, a fun and solid ship. But will have problems against fast firing ships and needs to be extra mindful when bringing your rear gun turret around to fire, least you will show too much side and for too long of a time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
725 [NEUTR] NeutralState Members 2,207 posts 11,692 battles Report post #15 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) It's not for everyone, just like all other premiums. The biggest downside is the gun. 1x 3 front, 1 x 3 aft, so usually the ship only has 1 turret firing. if you do miss a salvo from any turrets, immediate 50% decrease in potential damage. Edited January 23, 2018 by NeutralState Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,573 Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 12,680 posts 14,320 battles Report post #16 Posted January 23, 2018 Graff Spee is 1 of only 2 Heavy Cruisers at tier VI, 1 of them is Graff Spee and the other is Aoba. All other tier VI Cruisers are Light Cruisers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,712 [PSP] Snargfargle [PSP] Members 19,325 posts Report post #17 Posted January 23, 2018 I got my first Kraken in the Spee. I couldn't quite figure it out and wasn't doing so well playing it until I figured out its secret -- it's a battleship. Sure, its a short-range, very squishy battleship but if you play it as such then you will do well in it. Run AP and wait in hiding, when you see a cruiser go broadside then let those big shells fly. If someone comes round the island to get you then torpedo them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 R35T_NO_MORE Members 50 posts 617 battles Report post #18 Posted January 23, 2018 She's a fun ship. Works great when paired with a BB if using hydro. Support early on then hunt down and sink damaged ships in the mid-late stages of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
272 [-AGW-] NashW8 Members 1,159 posts 23,959 battles Report post #19 Posted January 23, 2018 I thought I was a BB main until I got the Graf Spee in the event for it. It's a great earner and trainer for the German BB as well as cruiser lines. Don't make the mistake to play it like a BB though and travel in straight lines. I like using islands to close the distance, get the scout plane up and then kite away at the reverse angle on the other side. Make the most of it's guns by shooting at everything in sight and not singling out any one ship unless it's a squishy cruiser. Spread the damage around. The speed is not great (speed flag helps a lot) but it has good agility for a CA. If the guns don't turn fast enough for your liking turn the ship to make the shot. This ship will really benefit from you learning to maneuver by minimap while zoomed in and the occasional right-click to keep track of your surroundings. Fire and forget. As for the torps I see many making the mistake of launching them too soon. Bow into your target and use that agility and great arcs to fire them at the last second when you can't miss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
788 Rocketpacman Members 1,374 posts 7,142 battles Report post #20 Posted January 23, 2018 It's different. Anyone telling you it's straight up bad is very wrong. It can suffer quite a lot depending on the matchmaking. It can really do nothing against battleships smart enough to angle and not let you rush them down with torpedoes. Sometimes the dispersion is frustrating. But in the right circumstances it can absolutely shine. If you want a premium that can consistently do well the Graf Spee isn't it. If you want a unique experience that can be surprisingly fun at times it's worth getting. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,137 [WOLF5] Khafni [WOLF5] Members 6,534 posts 29,623 battles Report post #21 Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Lert said: Riiiiiiiight. And chickens fly, pigs can talk and Mozambique is a world leader in nuclear power development. Mozambique? I never knew... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,916 [WOLF1] paradat Beta Testers 16,276 posts 23,577 battles Report post #22 Posted January 23, 2018 Graff Spee is great! Not sure why someone would think it is bad. It is one of the most versatile ships in the game. Yes get it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
14 [COUP] SFM_Hobb3s Members 68 posts 19,684 battles Report post #23 Posted January 23, 2018 I play mine like the Spanish Inquisition. No DD expects to suddenly lose 5k HP when I appear! It's a very fun cruiser to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
349 [PVE] Jim_Byrnes [PVE] Members 1,333 posts 8,606 battles Report post #24 Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr_Venture said: The people who primarily own the regular Graf Spee were already well seasoned cruiser captains: meaning they could exploit the ships strengths and mitigate its major weaknesses. It's really one of those "play if you have a skills" ships. Not sure I'd go that far but I agree with most of it. She does require thoughtful play and positioning. Let's not forget those torps and their arcs which are nice. She just plays a bit differently from her peers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,551 [EGO] CaptainTeddybear Banned 4,105 posts 16,276 battles Report post #25 Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) Clumsy for a T6 Cruiser Slow for a T6 Cruiser Low ROF for a T6 Cruiser Only 6 guns Good dispersion for a BB but bad dispersion for a Cruiser Well armored for a T6 Cruiser but doesn't help much if you get uptiered which is most of the time. 15" and 16" shells will hammer it pretty hard even if angled perfectly. That said the guns will put up respectable damage if you can stay alive. The heal is very helpful. The torpedos arcs and torpedos are excellent. If you end up in close quarters against a BB you can usually take him out if you have a decent amount of health. TLDR: Great ship hurt by matchmaking and Cruiser issues in general. Edited January 24, 2018 by CaptainTeddybear 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
