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Roma's "Beer Can" Camo and national respect

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Hello all,

First, I am not Italian...:)

Second, I have a pretty open mind and I can understand the fun and interest behind all the manga girls and other fantasy elements introduced in warships.

But, I can not understand why Roma has an inverted beer can on top of its main mast.

We need to remember that real people lived, fought and died on-board of all these warships we drive around trying to achieve our best, which in a way helps to maintain their memory alive and contributes to the overall knowledge of naval history.

But some limits have to be respected. After all, this game models real ships and invokes their history.

An inverted beer can on top of the main mast is beyond these limits, as much as the creative freedom must be supported, if I was Italian I would be very sad and disgusted, specially if one of my family members had served and died on-board Roma.

Thank you and best regards.

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Honestly, I agree. I made the point yesterday that I couldn't understand why WG felt it needed to ruin one of the most beautiful BB's built. The camo with its...beer can...on top is hideous, and wrecks the beauty of the Littorio class. I can also see Italians and relatives of those who served on Roma being quite upset at what WG has done.

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I'm likely going to be completely wrong, but since this is Kobayashi I can take a guess. I haven't kept up with the Yamato anime since the original and only remember like the bare bones of its plot, but I would imagine that the idea would be earth has to wage war on invading aliens but is strap for resources and/or safe places to build stuff. So they're forced to fish up old warships and retrofit them to be space worthy (imagining that they sunk in one piece and junk). Cue show title. 

Its not meant to be a beercan without reason, but since I doubt WG wants to do a complete model makeover for the camo, and since it isn't a Yamato collab so they can't sell it as a separate ship I guess, they have to make do with this. A light remodel and skin meant to be a kickass spaceship but is forced to somewhat be its historic self.  

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It's a sci-fi design element for a sci-fi camo from a sci-fi artist that is totally optional and which you can shut off and not look at others using.  

Please don't play the "people died on these ships" card. /That/ is disrespectful. Using their sacrifice to justify displeasure in an optional design choice. 

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I doubt the designer intended it to be a beer can, considering the origin I'd wager they were going for a Tech-noir anime vibe if anything.  GiTs, MGS and other franchises have a lot of vehicles with that aesthetic.  In addition we already had the Space mode way back in CBT, the Halloween events, the ARP, Dragon and HSF content were they dressed up ships with all sorts of odd appearances.   I think its a overblown to get up in arms over a paid for add on that users have the option to suppress in their settings. 

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Even EVE online would laugh themselves silly over this..  I agree with OP completely.  Nothing that this guy has produced should be in a game about Warships from WW1 to WW2 (and a bit) and the fact they are wasting resources on this is a good sign that they have run out of ideas for the main game.

Seriously, If I want fantasy Space ships, I'll play EVE which has a lot more interest than WoWs currently has. 

Having been here since Alpha, I have seen a lot of changes, but this is starting to push me to look at other games finally.

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5 minutes ago, TTK_Aegis said:

It's a sci-fi design element for a sci-fi camo from a sci-fi artist that is totally optional and which you can shut off and not look at others using.  

Please don't play the "people died on these ships" card. /That/ is disrespectful. Using their sacrifice to justify displeasure in an optional design choice. 

Horse pucky. The problem is that this camo has bonuses that don't exist on the standard Roma camo.  Players who want those bonuses shouldn't have to turn off this disgusting camo and have their ship look nekkid or even BE nekkid (i.e. actually have no camo or camo bonuses) just because they don't want to look at it.

I don't particularly like the rest of the camo either (i.e. not including the "beer can"), though I don't  completely hate it.  IMO, it looks silly for an Italian ship to have a bunch of Japanese graffiti on it.  I don't care if it's a Japanese artist.  He should be putting a more Italian themed bizarre camo on an Italian ship!!! And no Japanese graffiti.  

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I'll admit that the new design looks out of place. However, you have to keep in mind that the people worked quite a bit on the ship (go Makoto Kobayashi!) Plus, there is still the option to use the standard premium camo (historical) or turn the viewing of ships with the camo off. It's that simple.

And there's also the fact that the Roma with the fancy bridge design is available only in the ultimate bundles. If you don't like it, don't spend $100 on it or if you don't want to see it, just turn it off with the checkbox in your port. Want the Roma by itself without the fancy camo? The cheapest version comes with just historical, perfectly fine ship and camo without the cylinder on top.

I'm pretty sure that some people do like it. Some liked the bright skins from the Arpeggio of Blue Steel ships. Others didn't. It's as simple as hitting a checkbox and not wasting money on a ship you don't want.

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Plus, coming from World of Tanks, at least you get such options and versatility, instead of being forced to see "historical" green/blue/red colored all mixed together tanks with scorpions emblazoned upon them running around...

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41 minutes ago, Bl4ckBaron said:

We need to remember that real people lived, fought and died on-board of all these warships we drive around trying to achieve our best, which in a way helps to maintain their memory alive and contributes to the overall knowledge of naval history.

But some limits have to be respected.

No. 

 

Let's not indulge World of Warships with importance far beyond its stature.  This is not a tool for respecting and commemorating the service of real naval veterans.  It's a fast-paced videogame where we cruise around and blow each other up for points.  I don't have to stand up and solemnly salute every time I sink an enemy ship and it's not an issue of "national respect" to give certain ships ahistorical (and completely optional) paint jobs.

 

If you really want to make a big deal out of honoring the sacrifices of veterans, find a better way to do it than gripe about how a videogame depicts a historical ship.

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Folks I'm going to ask we first keep things about the ship itself and not any political or national ramifications surrounding it and also you ask you help us consolidate feedback by using an existing Roma thread to discuss this.

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