593 [BS] HorrorRoach Members 2,044 posts 12,778 battles Report post #1 Posted January 19, 2018 While I was playing last night, I couldn't help but notice the Roma's deleting Clevelands... Is it due to the shell mechanics and Cleveland being a little wider then the usual cruiser? EJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
136 RealNewDeal Members 698 posts 1,081 battles Report post #2 Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, HorrorRoach said: While I was playing last night, I couldn't help but notice the Roma's deleting Clevelands... Is it due to the shell mechanics and Cleveland being a little wider then the usual cruiser? EJ Most likely the Roma kept getting lucky and hitting the bacon strip of armor. The Roma's guns tend to overpen cruisers closer than 13km. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,085 battles Report post #3 Posted January 19, 2018 More players I'd say. That and IIRC 15 inch guns can overmatch the Cleveland. I think. I'd have to double check. But Roma is one SNEAKY BB. I haven't played mine yet but I saw the stats. She has cruiser level detection. Meaning she can bushwack almost any cruiser she wants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,516 Wye_So_Serious Members 2,406 posts 39,326 battles Report post #4 Posted January 19, 2018 Let's revisit this after the USN line split. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
136 RealNewDeal Members 698 posts 1,081 battles Report post #5 Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, IronWolfV said: More players I'd say. That and IIRC 15 inch guns can overmatch the Cleveland. I think. I'd have to double check. But Roma is one SNEAKY BB. I haven't played mine yet but I saw the stats. She has cruiser level detection. Meaning she can bushwack almost any cruiser she wants. The only issue with close in bushwhacks is the low angles and high pen give nothing but overpens unless you open up some distance or dunk the shells a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,894 [HINON] Doomlock [HINON] Wiki Lead, Beta Testers, Privateers 6,801 posts 5,248 battles Report post #6 Posted January 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, IronWolfV said: More players I'd say. That and IIRC 15 inch guns can overmatch the Cleveland. I think. I'd have to double check. Cleveland can be overmatched by the 11" guns of Graf Spee and Scharnhorst. Roma is just overkill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,085 battles Report post #7 Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, RealNewDeal said: The only issue with close in bushwhacks is the low angles and high pen give nothing but overpens unless you open up some distance or dunk the shells a bit. Not an issue with Roma Vs Cleveland. Overmatch her bow and drop her shells right into the citadel. Or just aim at the waterline at the back 1/3 if broadside. Watch Cleveland go boom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
136 RealNewDeal Members 698 posts 1,081 battles Report post #8 Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, IronWolfV said: Not an issue with Roma Vs Cleveland. Overmatch her bow and drop her shells right into the citadel. Or just aim at the waterline at the back 1/3 if broadside. Watch Cleveland go boom. Well I'll know for sure today, as I'm purchasing her later today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,085 battles Report post #9 Posted January 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, RealNewDeal said: Well I'll know for sure today, as I'm purchasing her later today. I have mine. Just haven't patched yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,761 Sir_Davos_Seaworth Members 4,272 posts 5,302 battles Report post #10 Posted January 19, 2018 All I know is that I got dang lucky while in my Martel yesterday.... a Roma came out of a smoke screen about 10km from my juicy broadside, and my first thought was "game over" He hit me just a touch forward, but all he did was overpen me... "whew." RNJesus was with me, but the Cleveland just might have been unlucky... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
79 [WTFS] Th3KrimzonDemon [WTFS] Members 190 posts 795 battles Report post #11 Posted January 19, 2018 Seems we're hearing a lot about her o'erpens on cruisers. I'm wondering if due to that, within say 10km, it might be a good idea to switch to HE for those cruisers. Overpens are like nothing, the HE would at least give steadier damage. Between dispersion and overpens, those guns are looking less and less attractive, and certainly not worth 56+ dollars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
136 RealNewDeal Members 698 posts 1,081 battles Report post #12 Posted January 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, xDiaboliquex said: Seems we're hearing a lot about her o'erpens on cruisers. I'm wondering if due to that, within say 10km, it might be a good idea to switch to HE for those cruisers. Overpens are like nothing, the HE would at least give steadier damage. Between dispersion and overpens, those guns are looking less and less attractive, and certainly not worth 56+ dollars. The HE is Tirpitz bad. Don't discount the ship, it has a lot of pros that outweight the cons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
289 Stampz Beta Testers 903 posts 8,366 battles Report post #13 Posted January 19, 2018 Cleveland wasn't behind an island?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
105 [PSV] madmikey77 Members 536 posts 22,368 battles Report post #14 Posted January 19, 2018 I had a triple cit dev strike on a Cleveland in the only Roma game I played last night. I think it's the concealment range of the Roma. When you pop on a broadside Cleveland at under 12K there's not much the Cleveland can do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
363 [AAA] Filthy_Pelican Members 724 posts 35,098 battles Report post #15 Posted January 19, 2018 I wrecked every cruiser I engaged with it last night. None of them stood a chance especially if I caught them on a broadside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11 Pentalope Members 8 posts 10,516 battles Report post #16 Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, madmikey77 said: I had a triple cit dev strike on a Cleveland in the only Roma game I played last night. I think it's the concealment range of the Roma. When you pop on a broadside Cleveland at under 12K there's not much the Cleveland can do. Not to mention the double cit on the NO on the very next salvo. Lel. Edited January 19, 2018 by Pentalope Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,463 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,598 posts 7,430 battles Report post #17 Posted January 19, 2018 I deleted a Kutuzov with a lucky hit in the rear...so...hey! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
242 Super_Splash_Bro Beta Testers 284 posts 6,218 battles Report post #18 Posted January 19, 2018 Would you say that when Roma wears her chef hat camo, she eats enemy cruisers for breakfast... and right now she's very hungry? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #19 Posted January 19, 2018 3 hours ago, HorrorRoach said: While I was playing last night, I couldn't help but notice the Roma's deleting Clevelands... Is it due to the shell mechanics and Cleveland being a little wider then the usual cruiser? EJ Roma sees Cleveland? I thought it only saw Yamatos, Midways, and Montana. T8 best tier. (3/3 games bottom tier in Roma last night. Fun and engaging) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,761 Sir_Davos_Seaworth Members 4,272 posts 5,302 battles Report post #20 Posted January 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, Dr_Venture said: I deleted a Kutuzov with a lucky hit in the rear...so...hey! Lewd!!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,463 [SALVO] Dr_Venture Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,598 posts 7,430 battles Report post #21 Posted January 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Super_Splash_Bro said: Would you say that when Roma wears her chef hat camo, she eats enemy cruisers for breakfast... and right now she's very hungry? You're the favorite mod now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
105 [PSV] madmikey77 Members 536 posts 22,368 battles Report post #22 Posted January 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, Pentalope said: Not to mention the double cit on the NO on the very next salvo. Lel. Lol. Actually it was the double on the York first, double on the NO, double on the Alabama, then the triple on the Cleveland. I should retire the ship because I won't get another match like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
999 [4HIM] Morpheous [4HIM] Beta Testers 2,285 posts 19,644 battles Report post #23 Posted January 19, 2018 I saw only one T8/7 match, and did well, in the up tier matches, 35k dmg and just tried to stay alive, because once you fire, everyone shoots at you. A couple of issues I have with Roma, and should be addressed, with limited game play mind you. 1) Dispersion needs to be tightened up, I feel like I am shooting a tier 4 BB, yeah you might be a CA killer, but I have bracketed far too many CAs vs landing solid hits. And having a longer spotter does not compensate for this one bit, if you can't hit anything at spotter plane ranges. 2) Secondary guns need an upgrade. The Italian 152 fired TWICE as fast as the German 150 Bismark secondaries and fired FURTHER. Not advocating German secondaries here, but at least 7k range. or their t9s and 10s BBs will look very silly. (plus it gives a reason to maybe make a secondary build, right now there is no reason 3) AA should be upgraded a bit with some range. The Roma 90mm AA was equal to or BETTER than the German 88', it was one of the very few good guns the Italians had for anti tank or AA, and the Germans used everyone of them they could get their hands on. Roma feels like a poor twin of the Monarch in general firepower. PLUS side and find good. Torpedo belt mirrors some historical data and is justified. Speed and Maneuver are good. Concealment, well if that what the Italians get thats fine, but it has its limitations, once spotted, its game on. I did find the armor pretty good, so no complaints there. Historically this ship should beat the pants off a , KGV, Nagato, and good chance to beat Bismark, North Carolina, roughly all her class. From data I have read she was a very fine ship in all regards, and probably give an Iowa and a Yamato a run in a historical duel. NOTE: Roma sunk by one of the first radio guided bombs, very devastating even back then. I have waited a long time for the Roma class, as you can see by my avatar. I am not upset, its a good ship, but should have some upgrades mentioned. I read LWM review and its overall fairly negative, but comes up with gud boat rating, and I agree its gud if its not up tiered AND its in the hands of a VERY capable player. This is not a ship for average to below average players. And as a CA killer, you better hope the dispersion is in your favor..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
313 Psicopro Members 1,243 posts 5,495 battles Report post #24 Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Super_Splash_Bro said: Would you say that when Roma wears her chef hat camo, she eats enemy cruisers for breakfast... and right now she's very hungry? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
242 Super_Splash_Bro Beta Testers 284 posts 6,218 battles Report post #25 Posted January 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Psicopro said: YES! Somebody got it! Way to Psicopro... or should I call you Sully? LOL Just trying to have some fun and keep it light on a Friday. 3 hours ago, Dr_Venture said: You're the favorite mod now. Thanks Venture. I like giving everyone a little chuckle but I really appreciate the comments and feedback about the Roma's camo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
