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Duca d'Aosta Feels Like an Anemic Super Model

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The ship's elegant, fast, and did I mention elegant?

 

But something just feels so horrifically odd. The spotter plane's CD is bloody almost 4 min, so superintendent is a complete waste on the ship. The base range of the ship is ok because speed is her shield. But the guns are just ... Feels like playing Akizuki without IFHE. This cruiser needs at least a 14 point captain, and probably 16 points to make it truly on par with other things. The torpedoes are great, not because of the range, but due to the firing angle; 16000 base torp damage also packs a mighty punch.

 

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Just now, NeutralState said:

The ship's elegant, fast, and did I mention elegant?

 

But something just feels so horrifically odd. The spotter plane's CD is bloody almost 4 min, so superintendent is a complete waste on the ship. The base range of the ship is ok because speed is her shield. But the guns are just ... Feels like playing Akizuki without IFHE. This cruiser needs at least a 14 point captain, and probably 16 points to make it truly on par with other things. The torpedoes are great, not because of the range, but due to the firing angle; 16000 base torp damage also packs a mighty punch.

 

I thought all supermodels were anemic?

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18 minutes ago, NeutralState said:

The ship's elegant, fast, and did I mention elegant?

 

But something just feels so horrifically odd. The spotter plane's CD is bloody almost 4 min, so superintendent is a complete waste on the ship. The base range of the ship is ok because speed is her shield. But the guns are just ... Feels like playing Akizuki without IFHE. This cruiser needs at least a 14 point captain, and probably 16 points to make it truly on par with other things. The torpedoes are great, not because of the range, but due to the firing angle; 16000 base torp damage also packs a mighty punch.

 

The duca is superb but the game right now is not so.

Thats the issue with so many awesome ships right now.

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If water tissue paper for ammo ends up being the Italian Cruisers “national flavor”, then they will be the first cruiser line I won’t go up.

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4 minutes ago, EmperorMaxwell said:

If water tissue paper for ammo ends up being the Italian Cruisers “national flavor”, then they will be the first cruiser line I won’t go up.

Have you seen the velocity of the duca ap ammo its amazing.

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3 minutes ago, EmperorMaxwell said:

And? Have you forgotten that velocity also bleeds out like a severed jugular vain outside of 10km?

Yeah, you use AP on the Duca the same as you do on the Yorck but boy oh boy can she dance.

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9 minutes ago, EmperorMaxwell said:

And? Have you forgotten that velocity also bleeds out like a severed jugular vain outside of 10km?

The duca brawls at under 5 km.

The ap to a broadside ship is a killer.

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1 hour ago, EmperorMaxwell said:

If water tissue paper for ammo ends up being the Italian Cruisers “national flavor”, then they will be the first cruiser line I won’t go up.

Depends on which ships they choose. Abruzzi should've had great armor but WG doesn't model decapping in-game, and, unlike with Roma, they didn't fuse the belts together to give her something in compensation. The 30+100mm armor scheme on Abruzzi was considered equal to the 150mm belts of the Zara-class, but in-game not-so-much :/

 

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The AP velocity is interesting but ultimately useless since the shells bleed so much speed and penetration over distance.  The HE is anemic without IFHE and the DPS for both HE and AP is abysmal.  The good gun traverse, speed and maneuverability scream brawler but the tissue paper hull and slow torpedoes say otherwise.  It is a ship full of contradictions that really do not mesh well.  That said I do enjoy the ship but it could use some quality of life improvements.

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6 hours ago, NeutralState said:

The ship's elegant, fast, and did I mention elegant?

 

But something just feels so horrifically odd. The spotter plane's CD is bloody almost 4 min, so superintendent is a complete waste on the ship. The base range of the ship is ok because speed is her shield. But the guns are just ... Feels like playing Akizuki without IFHE. This cruiser needs at least a 14 point captain, and probably 16 points to make it truly on par with other things. The torpedoes are great, not because of the range, but due to the firing angle; 16000 base torp damage also packs a mighty punch.

 

Russian DD's have better range and hit harder LOL. Eff the Duca it hasn't left Port since I got it after it was first released, the thing is garbage. U can do way more damage and be more impactful on a match in the tier 5 Podvoisky that has only slightly less range. Duca is decidedly un-fun.

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won her in a cracker, shes wonderful except she doesn't do any dmg lol got a ten point captain with her switched out concealment for ifhe and it seems to have helped.

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My tips:

- The AP is wonderful on the Duca. Wait for those broadsides, especially on Furutakas and Nurnberg! Aim for the base of the superstructure for BBs. 

- Equip IFHE + Demolition expert, aim for the superstructure. Your fire chance goes down, but due to the gun accuracy, you will keep landing hits, and the fires will come. 

- Torpedo whenever you can! The torp stealth and damage are fantastic. Be careful of friendly DDs in front of you though. You will hit things here and there. 

- Use your high speed and quick rudder to dodge incoming shells. Eventually you will be hit, but you shoild distract the enemy enough.

Good luck and enjoy! 

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On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 12:13 PM, EmperorMaxwell said:

If water tissue paper for ammo ends up being the Italian Cruisers “national flavor”, then they will be the first cruiser line I won’t go up.

It's similar to the French. A lot of the earlier cruisers were small and thinly armored. The later ones got bigger with better armor and were much more functional ships. I'll look forward to the Zaras for example. They aren't true treaty cruisers because the Italians cheated, but they were well-designed ships and should be fun to play. 

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One of my favourite ships.

Think of it as russian DD (nice guns, fast, horrible concealment) with 12km torps that can be a true troll sometimes.

Good DD hunter and escort, a cap defender and even a makeshift DD if nothing else is at hand.

As captain try to get concealment, AAA and fires.

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3 hours ago, Patosentado said:

One of my favourite ships.

Think of it as russian DD (nice guns, fast, horrible concealment) with 12km torps that can be a true troll sometimes.

Good DD hunter and escort, a cap defender and even a makeshift DD if nothing else is at hand.

As captain try to get concealment, AAA and fires.

The MM tier is really pissing on the ship, if it has preferential MM and only encounter + -  1, or just + 1, it'd perform great.

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Duca may be representative of Italian light cruisers, but they aren't at all reflective of their extremely heavily armored (later) heavy cruisers. 

If the line is a hybrid light cruiser/heavy cruiser tree akin to the German one, I expect the early parts will feel familiar, and the later ones more akin to Americans with worse AA, better AP, and similar tankiness.

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On 1/18/2018 at 11:13 AM, EmperorMaxwell said:

If water tissue paper for ammo ends up being the Italian Cruisers “national flavor”, then they will be the first cruiser line I won’t go up.

If we shoot them enough, their ship will be covered in wet paper and capsize. Brilliant!!!

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16 minutes ago, Cruiser_Fiume said:

Duca may be representative of Italian light cruisers, but they aren't at all reflective of their extremely heavily armored (later) heavy cruisers. 

If the line is a hybrid light cruiser/heavy cruiser tree akin to the German one, I expect the early parts will feel familiar, and the later ones more akin to Americans with worse AA, better AP, and similar tankiness.

The 10, 11 incher cruisers with heavy armor and moves at 35 knots. That's a dream right there. If WG gives them torps, Italian heavy cruisers will be the most powerful ships (except CV cancers) in game.

 

 

also... who necro-ed this thread?

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30 minutes ago, NeutralState said:

The 10, 11 incher cruisers with heavy armor and moves at 35 knots. That's a dream right there. If WG gives them torps, Italian heavy cruisers will be the most powerful ships (except CV cancers) in game.

 

 

also... who necro-ed this thread?

I dunno. That being said, only one design uses big guns, a 3x3 10" design that would be best suited for tier X.

Tier I-IV would have armor you'd expect, tier V would be slightly less armored than d'Aosta but half a knot faster (37 knots). Tier VI and VII's most likely candidates will have thin armor (70mm belt), but ought to be 35 and 36 knot 8" gun ships. Tier VIII+ is the heavily armored stuff, the first will be a drop to 34 knots and probably the slowest cruiser of the Italian line (tier III and below excluded obviously) but with a 150mm belt + 30mm upper belt. It will lack torps. The next is a repeat but with a 3x3 layout instead of 4x2 and improved guns... and goes 37 knots.

Tier X's armor is unknown (almost certainly better than the prior cruisers though), but has 3x3 10" railguns... and goes 37 knots.

It's a shame this line didn't get the speed boost, it certainly would've been more useful than it is on the French cruisers XD

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Well if you think about it WG can almost do a split line for Italy with what they have done.

Garibaldi VII, Ciano VIII, Spanish Ansaldo 152 IX, Spanish Ansaldo 203 variant TX
Bolzano VII, Zara VIII, Spanish Ansaldo early variant TX, Ansaldo 254/55 BC TX.

 

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