3,748 NoZoupForYou Members 1,695 posts 9,087 battles Report post #1 Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Yes, yes... we all now know about the issue with the Musashi and CCs. I might be one of the few that doesn't really care. Honestly, as CCs, we all have the chance to ask questions and gain information in our own CC discord chat. The more we hang around or take part, the more we know. I've never felt that we have been given a lack of info by WG. Last minute changes have always happened. In this case the XP wasn't a change even. Someone ran with wrong unconfirmed info. It's that simple. But I digress. This video is merely my views on Musashi as she will be released and my belief that this iteration is worth it. The one before wasn't. Edited January 15, 2018 by NoZoupForYou 12 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
523 [SYN] Spooooooooooooooooooooon Beta Testers 1,280 posts 17,050 battles Report post #2 Posted January 15, 2018 Thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,520 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,134 posts 42,510 battles Report post #3 Posted January 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, NoZoupForYou said: Yes, yes... we all now know about the issue with the Musashi and CCs. I might be one of the few that doesn't really care. Honestly, as CCs, we all have the chance to ask questions and gain information in our own CC discord chat. The more we hang around or take part, the more we know. I've never felt that we have been given a lack of info by WG. Last minute changes have always happened. In this case the XP wasn't a change even. Someone ran with wrong unconfirmed info. It's that simple. But I digress. This video is merely my views on Musashi as she will be released and my belief that this iteration is worth it. The one before wasn't. Good grief. They're not "work in progresses". They're "works in progress". 1 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,615 [-K-] Edgecase [-K-] Members 6,121 posts 28,553 battles Report post #4 Posted January 15, 2018 So I'm still not clear, are people saying Musashi doesn't print credits because its credit-earning coefficient is lower than Missouri's, because it doesn't do as much damage, or both? And if it's the former, where does the coefficient fall compared to tech tree, T8 premium (say Tirpitz), and Missouri? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,347 Chaos_EN2 ∞ Members 4,203 posts Report post #5 Posted January 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, NoZoupForYou said: This video is merely my views on Musashi as she will be released and my belief that this iteration is worth it. The one before wasn't. Thanks Zoup, and BTW I did not get a chance to watch your twitch, how did go show the sister in law the game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
502 [AP] jason199506 Members 1,373 posts 20,488 battles Report post #6 Posted January 15, 2018 you seem to not care about the huge sigma difference at all..... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,023 [HINON] Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi Alpha Tester 3,666 posts 8,087 battles Report post #7 Posted January 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, NoZoupForYou said: Great Video as usual Zoup! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #8 Posted January 15, 2018 Yeah, the only killer on the original configuration was the 35s reload with 1.8 sigma Now that it has 30s reload and 1.8 sigma, it is more threatening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,748 NoZoupForYou Members 1,695 posts 9,087 battles Report post #9 Posted January 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, Crucis said: Good grief. They're not "work in progresses". They're "works in progress". Sometimes we talk faster than our minds can keep up, now don’t we? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,748 NoZoupForYou Members 1,695 posts 9,087 battles Report post #10 Posted January 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chaos_EN2 said: Thanks Zoup, and BTW I did not get a chance to watch your twitch, how did go show the sister in law the game? She sank a ship... lol. It really was a good highlight of how difficult it is for a straight up beginner. And she had someone helping her! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,088 [WOLFG] Colonel_Potter Members 1,297 posts 22,401 battles Report post #11 Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Not gonna bother with it if it doesn't make decent credits. That's why I want the Missouri. I am always running out of credits. Plus, I can just stick my 17pt. Iowa captain into the Missouri. Edited January 15, 2018 by Colonel_Potter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,748 NoZoupForYou Members 1,695 posts 9,087 battles Report post #12 Posted January 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, Edgecase said: So I'm still not clear, are people saying Musashi doesn't print credits because its credit-earning coefficient is lower than Missouri's, because it doesn't do as much damage, or both? And if it's the former, where does the coefficient fall compared to tech tree, T8 premium (say Tirpitz), and Missouri? LWM was heading up that research. I believe it’s the coefficient... I think WG just had it too high for MO and learned from that. This is hypothesizing though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,347 Chaos_EN2 ∞ Members 4,203 posts Report post #13 Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, NoZoupForYou said: She sank a ship... lol. It really was a good highlight of how difficult it is for a straight up beginner. And she had someone helping her! Cool, what was she using? At least she had (IMO) a good teacher, would love to seen it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,748 NoZoupForYou Members 1,695 posts 9,087 battles Report post #14 Posted January 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, jason199506 said: you seem to not care about the huge sigma difference at all..... No. It needs to be that way. If you take a Yammie exact clone into a T7 round bad things happen. Very bad things. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,748 NoZoupForYou Members 1,695 posts 9,087 battles Report post #15 Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Chaos_EN2 said: Cool, what was she using? At least she had (IMO) a good teacher, would love to seen it. We stuck to T1 and T2 random battles. Black swan but I think she got the kill in a T2 Chicuma. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
183 [SPTR] Rusty_Python Members 2,319 posts 3,792 battles Report post #16 Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, NoZoupForYou said: We stuck to T1 and T2 random battles. Black swan but I think she got the kill in a T2 Chicuma. Uh Zoup? It's Chikuma. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,347 Chaos_EN2 ∞ Members 4,203 posts Report post #17 Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, NoZoupForYou said: We stuck to T1 and T2 random battles. Black swan but I think she got the kill in a T2 Chicuma. Cool thanks for the info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,748 NoZoupForYou Members 1,695 posts 9,087 battles Report post #18 Posted January 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, _Maho_Nishizumi_212 said: Uh Zoup? It's Chikuma. I’m typing on a phone with a mind of its own... Siri loves the autocorrect Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
183 [SPTR] Rusty_Python Members 2,319 posts 3,792 battles Report post #19 Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, NoZoupForYou said: I’m typing on a phone with a mind of its own... Siri loves the autocorrect I know that one. It sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #20 Posted January 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, NoZoupForYou said: No. It needs to be that way. If you take a Yammie exact clone into a T7 round bad things happen. Very bad things. It's just basically +/-3 MM all over again The days when Colorado could see Yamato... Gone forev.....er HAVE RETURNED! RIP Colorado. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
838 [-YK-] Akeno017 Members 2,238 posts 11,340 battles Report post #21 Posted January 15, 2018 Why does she still sound like Iowa! Wheres that sweet 460mm gun sound. WG plx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,520 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,134 posts 42,510 battles Report post #22 Posted January 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, NoZoupForYou said: LWM was heading up that research. I believe it’s the coefficient... I think WG just had it too high for MO and learned from that. This is hypothesizing though. I don't know, but it seems to me that, except for wanting the Missouri for completeness or historicity or you want an Iowa class BB named Missouri, etc., what's the point of getting the Missouri unless it prints credits? After all, you could get the Alabama for a whole lot less money (if you were buying the gold for free XP conversion) and probably have just as good a trainer. Sure, I suppose that they could make a T9 premium into an awesome trainer if it had a large commander's XP bonus, rather than a high credits earning coefficient. Regardless, it seems like, given either the real money cost or the extreme amount of free XP required to get it for free, tier 9 free XP premium ships need to have some sort of benefit that goes above and beyond those of otherwise regular premiums at tier 8 or below. It just seems to me that a big draw for the Missouri was its credit earning potential. At least it was that way for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,258 [WIB] Midnitewolf Alpha Tester 3,978 posts 2,472 battles Report post #23 Posted January 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, jason199506 said: you seem to not care about the huge sigma difference at all..... 2.1 to 1.8 is about a 17% difference. It is significant but not so much that it is going to be useless and we are talking a Tier 9 ship here as opposed to a Tier 10 so it has got to have its damage toned down a bit in order to not be OP. Think of it this way if a Yamato can average 95k damage which I think is about its global Average, then they Musashi will still be averaging 78k damage which compared to the global averages of Tier 9 BBs should be near the top. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
502 [AP] jason199506 Members 1,373 posts 20,488 battles Report post #24 Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Midnitewolf said: 2.1 to 1.8 is about a 17% difference. It is significant but not so much that it is going to be useless and we are talking a Tier 9 ship here as opposed to a Tier 10 so it has got to have its damage toned down a bit in order to not be OP. Think of it this way if a Yamato can average 95k damage which I think is about its global Average, then they Musashi will still be averaging 78k damage which compared to the global averages of Tier 9 BBs should be near the top. first, is sigma linear? then i get that musashi needs to be nerf to not be game-breaking-OP at T9, but i hate uncontrollable guns..... i mean, izumo and fredrich are already driving me nuts with their 1.8 sigma, i'd honestly prefer 35sec/2.1 over 30sec/1.8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,615 [-K-] Edgecase [-K-] Members 6,121 posts 28,553 battles Report post #25 Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Midnitewolf said: 2.1 to 1.8 is about a 17% difference. Sigma is not linear as the current theory suggests it refers to bounds on a Normal curve. This comparison will be very misleading. Edited January 15, 2018 by Edgecase 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
