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One thing that has bugged me about radar.

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Why do i see ships without radar dishes that have the radar consumable and so many that do have radar dishes without it? Like the Fushun has 2 spinning radar dishes on it yet no radar. 

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Well giving a destroyer like the Fushun radar would be ridiculous for all the destroyers that would have to face her. Trust me, we don't need any more mini USS Blacks running around. :cap_haloween: Sadly, not everything modeled on a ship can be usable in game. If that were the case, then every boat would most likely get Hydro. There has to be some limitations to keep balance within the game, even if it may seem silly.

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The one thing that bothers me most about radar (and hydro, to a lesser extent) is that it magically sees through islands.

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3 minutes ago, Jarink said:

The one thing that bothers me most about radar (and hydro, to a lesser extent) is that it magically sees through islands.

This whole game should bother you then, because there are plenty of things that happen magically. 

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Almost all american and british ww2 era ships had radar of some kind ranging from air radar to surface radar.

It's more of a matter of game balance over giving literally every ww2 era ship a radar. 

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1 hour ago, SteelClaw said:

Like the Fushun has 2 spinning radar dishes on it yet no radar. 

Dish network...they are stealing premium programming...

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Everything bugs me about radar.  Especially BB's with radar that can light up and one shot DD's with effing AP.  Because BB's counter is DD's right.  :)

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2 minutes ago, LastSamurai714 said:

 Because BB's counter is DD's right.

It's really not Rock, Paper, Scissors that would be a bit simple.

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Just now, Sovereigndawg said:

It's really not Rock, Paper, Scissors that would be a bit simple.

I understand it's an oversimplification.  Just being dramatic because we all know it's dumb AF.

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1 minute ago, LastSamurai714 said:

I understand it's an oversimplification.  Just being dramatic because we all know it's dumb AF.

Well it definitely was a bad thing today, I did like ten games at tier 5 and was uptiered every single time and usually the only tier 5 in the battle on my team. Do I need to say that there was usually a radar ship or 3. Tier 5 definitely does not handle radar well. I of course was playing Emerald and Fujin or Kamikaze.

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2 hours ago, SteelClaw said:

Why do i see ships without radar dishes that have the radar consumable and so many that do have radar dishes without it? Like the Fushun has 2 spinning radar dishes on it yet no radar. 

 

1 hour ago, bigalow87 said:

Dish network...they are stealing premium programming...

 

I spent six years working on radar systems, and learning the way they operate and all this other crap. Let me make one thing perfectly clear...

RADAR SETS DO NOT HAVE "DISHES". RADAR SETS HAVE ANTENNA.

Despite what slang says, no professional refers to the parabolic antenna as a dish- it's an antenna. The fastest way to trigger a radar tech is to call it a dish. (Insert me REEEing here.)

Just for your information. Please resume your radar debate while I go hunt down my bottle of rum.

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2 minutes ago, Smallfuzzykitten said:

 

 

I spent six years working on radar systems, and learning the way they operate and all this other crap. Let me make one thing perfectly clear...

RADAR SETS DO NOT HAVE "DISHES". RADAR SETS HAVE ANTENNA.

Despite what slang says, no professional refers to the parabolic antenna as a dish- it's an antenna. The fastest way to trigger a radar tech is to call it a dish. (Insert me REEEing here.)

Just for your information. Please resume your radar debate while I go hunt down my bottle of rum.

Unless I'm mistaken, WWII-era radar sets didn't use the kind of parabolic antenna we think of today anyway.  I think?

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2 minutes ago, Harv72b said:

Unless I'm mistaken, WWII-era radar sets didn't use the kind of parabolic antenna we think of today anyway.  I think?

Incorrect, sir!

USN used parabolic antenna in their S and L band radar sets, the Royal Navy had an ASW radar set that was parabolic, and Germany had a ton of parabolic antenna sets for both the Navy and the Wehrmacht. The use of parabolic antenna is widespread throughout the 2nd WW.

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1 minute ago, Smallfuzzykitten said:

Incorrect, sir!

USN used parabolic antenna in their S and L band radar sets, the Royal Navy had an ASW radar set that was parabolic, and Germany had a ton of parabolic antenna sets for both the Navy and the Wehrmacht. The use of parabolic antenna is widespread throughout the 2nd WW.

I appreciate the correction! :Smile_honoring:

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5 minutes ago, Harv72b said:

I appreciate the correction! :Smile_honoring:

Hey, thanks for listening to a grumpy little radar tech who is still twitchy about the word 'Dish'! 

 

Fun fact : During the Dieppe raid, a radar tech, escorted by Canadian commandos, attacked a radar station trying to understand the German radar sets and how they operated. The radar technician, Jack, carried a cyanide pill (and his unit was under orders to kill him if capture was imminent, since radar technology was in its infancy) in this engagement. Despite not breaking into the station, Jack cut a bunch of telephone wires, forcing the German station to broadcast via radio. The interception of these transmissions helped the Allied forces understand where German radar stations were and influenced them to work on techniques to jam and avoid radar. 

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1 hour ago, Smallfuzzykitten said:

 

 

I spent six years working on radar systems, and learning the way they operate and all this other crap. Let me make one thing perfectly clear...

RADAR SETS DO NOT HAVE "DISHES". RADAR SETS HAVE ANTENNA.

Despite what slang says, no professional refers to the parabolic antenna as a dish- it's an antenna. The fastest way to trigger a radar tech is to call it a dish. (Insert me REEEing here.)

Just for your information. Please resume your radar debate while I go hunt down my bottle of rum.

A parabolic antenna is an antenna that uses a parabolic reflector, a curved surface with the cross-sectional shape of a parabola, to direct the radio waves. The most common form is shaped like a dish and is popularly called a dish antenna or parabolic dish. All three are acceptable terms, but parabolic antenna is the proper technical term. 

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2 hours ago, LastSamurai714 said:

Everything bugs me about radar.  Especially BB's with radar that can light up and one shot DD's with effing AP.  Because BB's counter is DD's right.  :)

In WW2 BB’s faced DD’s too and they got radar too..

The only BB right now in the game that has radar is Missouri

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This is an arcade game.  You really do not want to see what happens if we go "Realistic, Historical" with naval warfare.  Most people would be disappointed if this game was more "realistic" and less ships would be viable and competitive.

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7 hours ago, Smallfuzzykitten said:

 

 

I spent six years working on radar systems, and learning the way they operate and all this other crap. Let me make one thing perfectly clear...

RADAR SETS DO NOT HAVE "DISHES". RADAR SETS HAVE ANTENNA.

Despite what slang says, no professional refers to the parabolic antenna as a dish- it's an antenna. The fastest way to trigger a radar tech is to call it a dish. (Insert me REEEing here.)

Just for your information. Please resume your radar debate while I go hunt down my bottle of rum.

http://www.radartutorial.eu/06.antennas/Parabolic Antenna.en.html

  1. The parabolic dish antenna is the form most frequently used in the radar engineering of installed antenna types of. Figure 1 illustrates the parabolic antenna. A dish antenna consists of one circular parabolic reflector and a point source situated in the focal point of this reflector.

    The term dish is used along with parabolic in many places that describe Radar Antennas or even just dish antenna.

    Parabolic dish antenna
    A parabolic antenna is an antenna that uses a parabolic reflector, a curved surface with the cross-sectional shape of a parabola, to direct the radio waves. The most common form is shaped like a dish and is popularly called a dish antenna or parabolic dish. The main advantage of a parabolic antenna is that it has high directivity.

    and by the way in case anyone didn't know this already.

    Plural of antenna
    The Latin plural is antennae and the English plural is antennas. When referring to a structure such as a radio antenna, the plural is antennas. In Zoology, when referring to insect anatomy, the plural is antennae.

 

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6 hours ago, Venac said:

A parabolic antenna is an antenna that uses a parabolic reflector, a curved surface with the cross-sectional shape of a parabola, to direct the radio waves. The most common form is shaped like a dish and is popularly called a dish antenna or parabolic dish. All three are acceptable terms, but parabolic antenna is the proper technical term. (Emphasis from SFK)

 

22 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

http://www.radartutorial.eu/06.antennas/Parabolic Antenna.en.html

  1. The parabolic dish antenna is the form most frequently used in the radar engineering of installed antenna types of. Figure 1 illustrates the parabolic antenna. A dish antenna consists of one circular parabolic reflector and a point source situated in the focal point of this reflector.

    The term dish is used along with parabolic in many places that describe Radar Antennas or even just dish antenna.

    Parabolic dish antenna
    *snip*

 

While people outside the field refer to them as dishes, it was quite literally a punishable offense to refer to them as such while working on or around them when I was enlisted. Not only for the Air Force, but also for the Navy, Marine, and Coast Guard technicians I worked with at one time or another. The engineers from Raytheon, who literally designed and built radar sets, would get downright salty if you called them dishes. I can recall many times in the schoolhouse doing push ups because a classmate messed up the terminology.

This is just a twitch from a technician who spent years working on radar. It's been beaten into my head so much that I'll always twitch when I see it. 

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5 minutes ago, Smallfuzzykitten said:

This is just a twitch from a technician who spent years working on radar. It's been beaten into my head so much that I'll always twitch when I see it. 

It is true that when on board the ship and they were testing or cycling the radar, they did not ever use the word dish in the warning broadcast on board the ship. It can cook you pretty easily. I was a Boatswains mate so a layman where the radar was concerned.

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24 minutes ago, Smallfuzzykitten said:

 

While people outside the field refer to them as dishes, it was quite literally a punishable offense to refer to them as such while working on or around them when I was enlisted. Not only for the Air Force, but also for the Navy, Marine, and Coast Guard technicians I worked with at one time or another. The engineers from Raytheon, who literally designed and built radar sets, would get downright salty if you called them dishes. I can recall many times in the schoolhouse doing push ups because a classmate messed up the terminology.

This is just a twitch from a technician who spent years working on radar. It's been beaten into my head so much that I'll always twitch when I see it. 

I have been in the Navy 23 years and have never seen one sailor, civilian tech or any other person reprimanded for using the word dish. Is it the proper name no, but punished for using it... never once. Are they corrected sure, but other than that... no. 

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