719 [UFFA] SinqueScheiDeMona Beta Testers 3,784 posts 5,102 battles Report post #76 Posted January 13, 2018 @EmperorMaxwell And let me be careful by saying that surving a match is no mean feat for myself. I appreciate the stat advantage that allows. I just feel that tier VIII should be more about: than However this is just me and I'm fairly sure I'm not getting my point across properly and appearing harsher than I mean to be. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,627 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,616 posts 6,118 battles Report post #77 Posted January 13, 2018 6 hours ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: I like it when not-people things wear hats. Ergo, I like this camo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
50,449 [MAUS] LittleWhiteMouse Retired WoWS Community Contributors 13,463 posts Report post #78 Posted January 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, SparvieroVV said: The ship is being listed as good with this rating yet you say: These are the mouth breather take aways, I say this as king of the mouth breathers: Yep, it's almost like synergy was a thing... where a combination of average components could come together and create something bigger than the sum of its parts. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,858 [NMKJT] KiyoSenkan Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,912 battles Report post #79 Posted January 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: Yep, it's almost like synergy was a thing... where a combination of average components could come together and create something bigger than the sum of its parts. I remember something similar happening with Caesare. No particular stat was impressive, but it wound up being extremely strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
719 [UFFA] SinqueScheiDeMona Beta Testers 3,784 posts 5,102 battles Report post #80 Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, LittleWhiteMouse said: Yep, it's almost like synergy was a thing... where a combination of average components could come together and create something bigger than the sum of its parts. Synergy is a thing however synergy usually relies upon positive building upon positive. I validate your being pedantic about my reaction to this obvious positive build up. I get the sarcasm I deserve. Yes I realize in your book meh is A-Ok. As a previous poster just said I obviously have reading comprehension issues. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
719 [UFFA] SinqueScheiDeMona Beta Testers 3,784 posts 5,102 battles Report post #81 Posted January 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, AraAragami said: I remember something similar happening with Caesare. No particular stat was impressive, but it wound up being extremely strong. Which is something I've repeated I expect to happen with Roma from the first time the 11km vis stat was revealed. However every acts as if I've never said such a thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
442 EmperorMaxwell Alpha Tester 2,409 posts 8,275 battles Report post #82 Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, SparvieroVV said: Which is something I've repeated I expect to happen with Roma from the first time the 11km vis stat was revealed. However every acts as if I've never said such a thing. I personally don't expect this because Roma is not facing "average" battleships as its peers, but some of the best in the game. Roma isn't facing duds like New York or Konig, its facing Alabama/Massachusetts and Bismarck. While Cesare may hold up well against tier 7s, Roma is going up against far more dangerous beasts like Conqueror, Yamato and Montana. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
50,449 [MAUS] LittleWhiteMouse Retired WoWS Community Contributors 13,463 posts Report post #83 Posted January 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, AraAragami said: I may have missed it in the review-- or forgot or skimmed past it since I couldn't read it closely while at work. How does she do in tier 10? Considering this is a concern of tier 8 ships. As well as could be expected for most tier 8 battleships. Though, like a destroyer, she gets more dangerous the more the enemy team thins out. With less ships to spot her, she can control engagements much more easily, flank and cause all sorts of issues for the enemy. Like an American battleship in these situations, you want to take a fire angle at least 90º from your allies to force your opponents to choose which of you to face. Roma's accuracy may not be stellar, but it doesn't need to be. You're either getting broadside shots, chipping away at them (and maybe getting lucky with a citadel or three), facilitating the same being done by your allies while tanking /dodging their return fire and hiding when the pressure's on, or forcing the enemy to fall back. The biggest threats Roma faces are in the early parts of the match where enemy fire can come from multiple angles and different sources. I stress that its important for all ships to do their part in thinning out the enemy lolibotes in the early stages. The removal of even one destroyer can provide a huge advantage in Vision Control which can cascade to enormous effect. Roma's high velocity guns lets her snipe at destroyers with surprising ability -- even fast Soviet DDs are almost "easy" to land shots around with that lead time. The other two concerns are being focused by HE shells (AP shouldn't be an issue -- play spot the Yamato and be elsewhere) and aircraft. For the latter, hug an American battleship or cruiser. For the former, abuse your concealment if you get focused and make sure you're using an anti-fire spec. I had some very good games while bottom tier in Roma -- not often, but some very satisfying ones just the same. Her guns will stack the damage if you keep her in the game and they become a real danger to the enemy if can't keep track of you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,135 [SYN] mofton [SYN] Members 9,253 posts 17,739 battles Report post #84 Posted January 13, 2018 Dumbish question - If you could take this ship with 9 of Monarch's guns (same dispersion, ROF pen etc. the 'gun system') or 9 of Amagi's guns (ditto) or 9 of North Carolina's guns (again)... Would you, and which would you prefer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
50,449 [MAUS] LittleWhiteMouse Retired WoWS Community Contributors 13,463 posts Report post #85 Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, mofton said: Dumbish question - If you could take this ship with 9 of Monarch's guns (same dispersion, ROF pen etc. the 'gun system') or 9 of Amagi's guns (ditto) or 9 of North Carolina's guns (again)... Would you, and which would you prefer? I wouldn't because it would get hella boring to have everything the same (Roma's gunnery is fun). If someone forced me to choose, I'd take Monarch's because they're so versatile and brainless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,135 [SYN] mofton [SYN] Members 9,253 posts 17,739 battles Report post #86 Posted January 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: I wouldn't because it would get hella boring to have everything the same (Roma's gunnery is fun). If someone forced me to choose, I'd take Monarch's because they're so versatile and brainless. Thanks, and interesting riposte. Roma's gunnery doesn't look like my cup of tea, I just can't stand seeing well-aimed salvoes splash people too frequently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
71 [-SYN-] TheGreyGhost91 Members 218 posts 4,513 battles Report post #87 Posted January 13, 2018 SPQR Needs a random legionary stashed away as an easter egg somewhere though, or a wolf somewhere. She looks interesting though, one I'll most likely pick up for the collection. Not sold on the secondary camo though, it's a little busy for my taste, but we'll see once I see it in game a few times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11,810 [SALVO] Crucis Members 27,462 posts 36,386 battles Report post #88 Posted January 13, 2018 @LittleWhiteMouse I'm getting a chuckle. I asked you last night in a battle when the NDA was being lifted and you didn't know. What timing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,889 [HINON] Phoenix_jz Members 7,795 posts 2,144 battles Report post #89 Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Crucis said: @LittleWhiteMouse I'm getting a chuckle. I asked you last night in a battle when the NDA was being lifted and you didn't know. What timing! That's an NDA for ya XD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,889 [HINON] Phoenix_jz Members 7,795 posts 2,144 battles Report post #90 Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, EmperorMaxwell said: No, Armor? With that raised citadel that even cruisers will hit, No. *enter extended internet actually here* Actually, that might not quite be the case. While I have to go over a lot of the finer mathematical points, Roma's belt should make her citadel fairly immune to most cruiser AP. I think the smallest shells that can penetrate it period are SHS 8" rounds (Zao, Baltimore, Des Moines). Unless you can break the depression limits of the guns and fire are 0 km into her citadel, the German 203mm (highest pen regular weight 8" AP for now) should be incapable of citadelling Roma. It just lacks the penetration to get through the 40mm bulkhead after going through the main belt. I there around some numbers with the American SHS and I think Baltimore or Des Moines would have to be at least at 2 km before being able to score a citadel (flat broadside, of course). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
627 [MAHAN] AdmiralPiett Beta Testers 1,605 posts 7,195 battles Report post #91 Posted January 13, 2018 It is always nice to see a battleship with a hitable citadel. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10,399 [BLNCE] Taichunger Members 13,459 posts 43,492 battles Report post #92 Posted January 13, 2018 Good work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
15,275 [WOLF5] HazeGrayUnderway Members 35,048 posts 29,087 battles Report post #93 Posted January 13, 2018 The ship is still probably going to serve a good helping of pasta despite these issues. It'll be fine but there will be some performances abruptly cut short in spectacular fashion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
579 [PLPTV] Ulthwey Members 1,457 posts 9,077 battles Report post #94 Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) This ship is going to get murdered in any kind of uptier. It will barely hold its own against equal tier opponents, the tier 9s and Xs will absolutely murder it. Such a shame ... I really wanted to get her, but not in this form :( Hope WG will at least make Gascogne good to make up for Roma. Edited January 13, 2018 by Ulthwey 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
44 [-SOR-] Solis_Obscuri [-SOR-] Members 126 posts 7,497 battles Report post #95 Posted January 13, 2018 So... funky overmatching mechanics. I find it odd when shells which have (according to WG's stats) very good penetration values wind up not actually penetrating very often due to game mechanics valuing shell girth over velocity, mass, and that little kinetic energy thing that results when you multiply them. God forbid we ever get some kind of weaponized beachball, it'll sink everything in the game despite weighing 3oz and traveling at a screaming 2m/s. Overall she's sounding like she has a lot of the same pros (great gun handling, high shell velocities, great top speed, good torpedo protection, good horizontal armor) and cons (big turns, RNG shell dispersion, mediocre AA, overmatch and shell bounce problems) of Dunkerque and much better vertical armor and stealth. But the exceptions of a rear turret (pro?) and really bad HE rounds (con). I can see the lousy HE being a tremendous headache combined with the overmatch problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,544 [PSA] KaptainKaybe Members 5,118 posts 3,738 battles Report post #96 Posted January 13, 2018 Excellent review as always, Mouse. In your opinion, do you feel the drop in sigma from 1.9 to 1.8 was a good idea, or do you feel she'd be better balanced with the old 1.9? The fact that her AP has excellent penetration is nice, but at the same time, they are only 15 inch guns, while having the same sigma as Bismarck or Monarch ... but not the rate of fire of either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,753 goldeagle1123 Members 5,424 posts 3,448 battles Report post #97 Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) Christ that Kobayashi camo is horrendous. Even if I didn't have 60,000,000 credits and was in desperate need, I would never buy it just because it is so atrociously ugly. Edited January 13, 2018 by goldeagle1123 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
173 [WHS] TheBlackWind Beta Testers 1,070 posts 13,286 battles Report post #98 Posted January 13, 2018 57 minutes ago, goldeagle1123 said: Christ that Kobayashi camo is horrendous. Even if I didn't have 60,000,00 credits and was in desperate need, I would never buy it just because it is so atrociously ugly. I have to absolutely agree. It's disgusting and I hope I don't have to see it in game. The dumb Japanese ones are tolerable... I rarely see them anyway... But this is like they're trying to turn the game into cartoons. Oh wait... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,627 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,616 posts 6,118 battles Report post #99 Posted January 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheBlackWind said: I have to absolutely agree. It's disgusting and I hope I don't have to see it in game. The dumb Japanese ones are tolerable... I rarely see them anyway... But this is like they're trying to turn the game into cartoons. Oh wait... Cartoons are more respectable then whatevertheheck that camo is. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
119 [DOSED] BrandonKF Members 594 posts 5,058 battles Report post #100 Posted January 13, 2018 43 minutes ago, TheBlackWind said: I have to absolutely agree. It's disgusting and I hope I don't have to see it in game. The dumb Japanese ones are tolerable... I rarely see them anyway... But this is like they're trying to turn the game into cartoons. Oh wait... While I'm not crazy about the Roma Kobayashi, I do enjoy Kii's by him. To each their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
