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With the departure of Belfast, we really need a new Brit prem cruiser. While you could make one of the many premium Brit BBs work as a trainer, some of the skills you would take for a Brit cruiser don’t work on a BB. 

I have three proposals. The easiest would allow common wealth and RN ships to move captains between them, similar to the way ARP and Japanese ships can. Perth is based on one of the favorite ships in the line, making her more flexible would increase her sales for the company for less than an hour of coding by one guy. (they should do the same for Blyskawica since she fought under the RN flag during the war, but I digress). 

The next would be to intrude a Belfast “light.” By this I mean to reintroduce the Belfast but nerf her a bit. For example remove her radar, reduce her hit points, or make you choose between radar and smoke. Name her “Belfast 1940” or something so we can differtiate between the two. This one would also pretty easy to code since your probably changing values in an xml file or something.

Option three: do both. 

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Commonwealth/British crossovers make perfect sense, and my Vampire captain would be pleased to move into reserve for this purpose. Most of the cruiser captains I've got have a skillset that would suit her anyway.

If you want a slight nerfing of Belfast, use one of the nine-gun Fijis (X turret removed for topweight; extra AA) and nerf smoke/radar/hydro. OTOH, if you really wanted to troll the WG fanbase, you could give the WIP version smoke + the spotting a/c...

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Stay away from Belfast, it'll cause more issues as is to do that. Plus most of us think commonwealth and UK should have some crossover.

That said as options - Bermuda (9 gun version of Fiji, gains HE to compensate for lost turret plus the AA, no other changes)

Jamaica - participated in North Cape, used in the film of the battle in River Plate, escorted CV's striking Tirpitz, etc, any number of changes iincluding late/post war upgrades. 

Trinidad - damaged by own torpedo on PQ-13, lost on return trip after crew scuttling due to bomb hit from 1 of 20 JU-88's sent to attack it.

Maybe Manchester (torpedo tubes were removed from it) with no Radar but HE?

Or just any of the other 8 (counting Manchester) Town class cruisers.

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1 hour ago, SavageTactical said:

With the departure of Belfast, we really need a new Brit prem cruiser. While you could make one of the many premium Brit BBs work as a trainer, some of the skills you would take for a Brit cruiser don’t work on a BB. 

I have three proposals. The easiest would allow common wealth and RN ships to move captains between them, similar to the way ARP and Japanese ships can. Perth is based on one of the favorite ships in the line, making her more flexible would increase her sales for the company for less than an hour of coding by one guy. (they should do the same for Blyskawica since she fought under the RN flag during the war, but I digress). 

The next would be to intrude a Belfast “light.” By this I mean to reintroduce the Belfast but nerf her a bit. For example remove her radar, reduce her hit points, or make you choose between radar and smoke. Name her “Belfast 1940” or something so we can differtiate between the two. This one would also pretty easy to code since your probably changing values in an xml file or something.

Option three: do both. 

Or, option 4, bring in a "County" class heavy cruiser as a premium. I would suggest the Kent sub-class cruiser Cornwall, which was sunk by IJN carrier based planes during the Indian Ocean Raid. Historic ship, died fighting, not currently in game, definite possibilities here!

She sported 8 203 mm main battery guns, 4 single mount 102 mm guns as dual-purpose seccondaries, with 2 single 40 mm guns also. 2 quadruple torp tubes, firing 583 mm torps. Because she was built in the 20's and completed in 1926, she is slow at 31.5 knots, and her armor is, well ... light at 25 mm but with a belt ranging from 50 to 111 mm.

Forget Belfast and get something ... HEAVY!

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Excellent suggestions. One reason I'm hung up on the Belfast is because she still exist and you can go visit her in the Thames. I'm really a big fan of putting museum ships in game, she should be for sale in the shop whether it is in a nerf form or not. I'm hesitant for putting Brit heavy cruisers in as premiums, but only because I would rather see them as silver ships. I really am looking forward to the Brit heavy cruiser line; I'd hate it if they took a few of the ships out of the line and locked a few of the rare classes behind a paywall. Now if they were sister ships that a different story.

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Id like a premium British CL that conforms to the line so I can have a proper captain trainer that doesnt need a specific set of skill to be best taken advantage of.

 

Just give me a clone Edinburgh (Sheffield maybe?) at tier 8... or a clone Fiji at tier 7 (Jamaica?) for all I care. (Im perfectly ok with clone premiums.) If youre against clome premiums for some reason... maybe a Dido at tier 7 or 8? I dunno.

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13 minutes ago, WolfofWarship said:

Whatever boat we get, it has to have this awesome 'camo' I saw recently on a boat in Liverpool:

 

http://www.outputmagazine.com/design/tribute-to-world-war-one-dazzle-camouflage-enlists-contra-vision

What the actual f is that lol

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On 2018-01-06 at 5:47 PM, Umikami said:

Or, option 4, bring in a "County" class heavy cruiser as a premium. I would suggest the Kent sub-class cruiser Cornwall, which was sunk by IJN carrier based planes during the Indian Ocean Raid. Historic ship, died fighting, not currently in game, definite possibilities here!

She sported 8 203 mm main battery guns, 4 single mount 102 mm guns as dual-purpose seccondaries, with 2 single 40 mm guns also. 2 quadruple torp tubes, firing 583 mm torps. Because she was built in the 20's and completed in 1926, she is slow at 31.5 knots, and her armor is, well ... light at 25 mm but with a belt ranging from 50 to 111 mm.

Forget Belfast and get something ... HEAVY!

My opinion.

County class would be a nice tier 6 preimium. Since it doesnt have the speed, armor or guns to compete in t7

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 If a premium UK cruiser is added it should conform to the line and be limited to shortfuse AP only. The issue I have with Belfast is being handicapped without ifhe when training a line Capt.  Ive gotten to the point of just using the same Capt on Belfast and Gallant while using Warspite/Nelson/Hood to train line line Capts.

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On 1/7/2018 at 4:59 AM, SavageTactical said:

With the departure of Belfast, we really need a new Brit prem cruiser. While you could make one of the many premium Brit BBs work as a trainer, some of the skills you would take for a Brit cruiser don’t work on a BB. 

I have three proposals. The easiest would allow common wealth and RN ships to move captains between them, similar to the way ARP and Japanese ships can. Perth is based on one of the favorite ships in the line, making her more flexible would increase her sales for the company for less than an hour of coding by one guy. (they should do the same for Blyskawica since she fought under the RN flag during the war, but I digress). 

The next would be to intrude a Belfast “light.” By this I mean to reintroduce the Belfast but nerf her a bit. For example remove her radar, reduce her hit points, or make you choose between radar and smoke. Name her “Belfast 1940” or something so we can differtiate between the two. This one would also pretty easy to code since your probably changing values in an xml file or something.

Option three: do both. 

I had the rare chance to visit Belfast when I was in London for a holiday, so I would be very mad if I found out she is a rare, unsellable ship in WoWS. Lucky for me, I got Belfast from a supercontainer. Still, I believe others should be able to get her too. WG is very fortunate their decision to permanently retire Belfast from sale didn't turn into another Alabama-gate.

Seeing as Belfast is a museum ship and WG doesn't nerf premiums, my suggestion would be to introduce another Belfast premium similar to the Kamikaze clones. But this time give her only AP rounds and restrict the consumable slot to either hydro, smoke or radar. Problem solved.

I wish Huanghe was a UK premium (after all she is HMS Aurora), but too bad.

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2 minutes ago, Wolcott said:

I had the rare chance to visit Belfast when I was in London for a holiday, so I would be very mad if I found out she is a rare, unsellable ship in WoWS. Lucky for me, I got Belfast from a supercontainer. Still, I believe others should be able to get her too. WG is very fortunate their decision to permanently retire Belfast from sale didn't turn into another Alabama-gate.

Seeing as Belfast is a museum ship and WG doesn't nerf premiums, my suggestion would be to introduce another Belfast premium similar to the Kamikaze clones. But this time give her only AP rounds and restrict the consumable slot to either hydro, smoke or radar. Problem solved.

I wish Huanghe was a UK premium (after all she is HMS Aurora), but too bad.

No hydro/defaa for skycancer, radar/smoke, option for torpedos

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On ‎1‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 9:38 AM, Wolcott said:

I had the rare chance to visit Belfast when I was in London for a holiday, so I would be very mad if I found out she is a rare, unsellable ship in WoWS. Lucky for me, I got Belfast from a supercontainer. Still, I believe others should be able to get her too. WG is very fortunate their decision to permanently retire Belfast from sale didn't turn into another Alabama-gate.

Seeing as Belfast is a museum ship and WG doesn't nerf premiums, my suggestion would be to introduce another Belfast premium similar to the Kamikaze clones. But this time give her only AP rounds and restrict the consumable slot to either hydro, smoke or radar. Problem solved.

I wish Huanghe was a UK premium (after all she is HMS Aurora), but too bad.

This. I think this is a great idea...a Belfast-AP.

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Two ideas:

1) Dido. Make her the British Atlanta in firepower terms, but do not give her radar or a spotter unless she sacrifices her smoke for it.

2) Delhi. Yes, she becomes basically a T6/7 US destroyer in gun armament terms, but you can honour her twin Mk37 director fit by buffing her Sigma/dispersion to undreamed-of heights, give her HE, and make her laser-accurate. Again, no combined radar/smoke/spotter tricks should avoid any of Belfast's issues.

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The easiest would to release HMS Newfoundland at T6, as a no-gimmick 9-gun cruiser.  No smoke, Belfast guns, done.

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11 hours ago, crzyhawk said:

The easiest would to release HMS Newfoundland at T6

Says the closet Newfie, perchance? :Smile_teethhappy: (I live there; I'd grind for one if they let us.)

Some might claim that's OP for UK Tier 6, but she'd only have one more gun barrel than Leander and one fewer turrets. If Cleveland can sit at T6 without people screaming in execration, this probably could too.

Others might scream "UK cruiser with no smoke is cannon fodder", but if a seal-potato like me can score 58K damage in a no-smoke Fiji then this thing you propose should be viable (and having HE should level the playing field a little). She'd also have better AA, which would be an additional carrot.

Not a bad suggestion.

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No, but I did pick that one as a bone for Canadians who have been kind of left hung out to dry so far.  I live in Old Virginia.

As far as being OP, Leander is only worthy of being a T5 without the smoke.  There are a fair amount of 9 barrel cruisers at T6 and none of them are overpowered.

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I like the suggestions here. We definitely need a new one. 

Id prefer the commonwealth approach as i have a perth but if not then as suggested perhaps a heavy cruiser are mid tiers that isnt as OP as the Belfast. (Have one and its OP even vs t9)

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Hey

I like the idea of a RN heavy cruiser premium since all we have are light cruisers now; just don't make them like the Indianapolis for goodness sake, one shark bait is too many.

 

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On 1/6/2018 at 12:59 PM, SavageTactical said:

they should do the same for Blyskawica since she fought under the RN flag during the war, but I digress). 

I think they should hold out for a Pan-Europe line to include ships from all the European countries that don't have navies big enough on their own. Poland, Sweden, Netherlands (you there Lert?) Belgium , Spain, Greece, Austria-Hungary, Switzerland,:cap_haloween: etc. Probably end up having the some of the same hand-me-down ships the Pan Asians do to fill in voids at higher tiers.

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On 2/7/2018 at 7:19 PM, crzyhawk said:

No, but I did pick that one as a bone for Canadians who have been kind of left hung out to dry so far.  I live in Old Virginia.

As far as being OP, Leander is only worthy of being a T5 without the smoke.  There are a fair amount of 9 barrel cruisers at T6 and none of them are overpowered.

The irony here would be that during the World Wars, Newfoundland was an independent Dominion in her own right; she only formally became part of Canada after the Second World War.

 

12 hours ago, Sabot_100 said:

I think they should hold out for a Pan-Europe line to include ships from all the European countries that don't have navies big enough on their own. Poland, Sweden, Netherlands (you there Lert?) Belgium , Spain, Greece, Austria-Hungary, Switzerland,:cap_haloween: etc. Probably end up having the some of the same hand-me-down ships the Pan Asians do to fill in voids at higher tiers.

Yes and no. Some of the boats would be hand-me-downs, yes, but many would not. Quite a lot were direct purchases - "designed and built for" rather than "given to" - and some (particularly the Austro-Hungarians) were "built by". IIRC the Spanish Dreadnoughts (what few there were) were built by British companies operating in Spain, i.e. in Spanish yards.

The only problem with a Pan-European line is that some of those nations stopped existing after the First World War, while others only started existing in their own right after that point. Most of what could be called the "Austro-Hungarian tech tree" has its roots in the mid 19th Century before ending just before WW1, and while it's interesting and fascinating and actually quite well fleshed out, it effectively sits in Tier minus-three or thereabouts to Tier 4 at best. The same can be said about a lot of nations - if WOWS ever got stale, all they'd have to do is go back in time to about 1875 and start from there; the presence of sails on some of the ships isn't a problem, since after that time all the major fleets would have fought their battles under steam power; the sails were only ever used to save coal on extended deployments, and they eventually became redundant as the efficiency of steam engines improved.

The REAL issue with making a WOWS spinoff in that era is that a significant proportion of the ships were designed to fight more or less broadside (or with significantly restricted angles on some of their guns for ahead fire), and the combat ranges were on the order of a few kilometres at best, with snail-like rates of fire and godawful dispersion.  Compare a broadside or central-battery ironclad with the turret ships and you'll soon see what I mean. The broadside/central battery ships DID have some degree of gun traverse, but the turret ships beat them hands down. On the other hand, the rate of fire and turret rotation on some of these things would make an Orion look like a Minotaur, so there are some compensations for the broadside crowd.

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I did say the hand-me-downs would fill in higher tiers. Lots of low - mid tier ships to go around. Probably still just be DDs with a few premium cruisers as I don't think there are nearly enough to cruisers or (especially) BBs to make a full line. What would the Pan-Europe gimmick be??

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Would very much like to see the HMS Exeter, County-Class B heavy cruiser.  This ship had a distinguished history and , like most British ships in the game, was sunk in battle in the Indian Ocean in 1942.

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