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Who wants a 26-gun Italian premium cruiser?

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Greetings all,

 

Stumbled upon this design last night...

 

Here's the quick and dirty of it all...

 

During WWI ze Germans had a light cruiser named Graudenz...

 

Graudenz

 

 

After WWI the ship was ceded to the Italians as war reparations. The Italians modified her to better suit their needs and renamed her Ancona....

 

(notice the new bow)

Ancona

 

 

In 1932 the Ancona was beginning to show her age and was decommissioned but kept around for spare parts. In the Spring of 1936, 10 million Lira (the cost of a new Oriani type destroyer) was allocated towards the rebuilding, repurposing, and recommissioning of the Ancona as an Anti-air cruiser for the defense of naval bases. The final estimate for the reconstruction was 17,469,300 lira, far exceeding the original 10,000,000 lira budget. For this reason the project was cancelled and Arcona was scrapped the next year.

 

Arcona as an AA cruiser

Ancona

 

 

Stats

Displacement - Approx 7,000t

Length - 147m

Width - 13.8m

Depth - 6m

Main Battery - 13x2 100 mm (8 turrets or 16 guns can be fired to a broadside)

AA Battery - 13x2 100mm, 2x2 13.2mm

Armor - 60 mm belt, 40 mm turtleback, 40mm deck, 40mm transverse bulkheads

Speed - 27kn

 

The twin 100mm mounts are nothing new to us. In-game they have a reloading time of 6 seconds, an HE Alpha damage of 1,500, fire at a velocity of 850mps, and the HE shells have a 6% chance to start a fire. Over 1 minute of firing 16 guns to a broadside that's 240,000 max potential damage and a 960% of starting a fire (96% chance per broadside). Ancona's 13 twin 100mm turrets grant her 85.8 dps in the long-range AA role. Ancona has no medium-range AA. For short range AA only 8.2 dps is provided by her two twin 13.2mm machine guns. For a low-mid tier light cruiser, her armor is respectable and her citadel is at or below the waterline thanks to the turleback (Ancona's protection scheme is mostly identical to the Karlsruhe's in-game). Hitpoints are average and a top speed of 27kn is pretty slow for a mid-tier light cruiser.

 

I'd buy one! :Smile-_tongue:

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Just now, Lionel92 said:

St. Louis on steriods?

 

Well, Ancona would probably be tier 4 or tier 5. And Ancona lacks the huge hitpoint pool that St. Louis has. The larger guns of St. Louis are more versatile as well, with only 100mm guns Ancona will live and die on her ability to start fires and keep 'em burning. But I see where you are coming from, both a are relatively slow, well-armored cruisers with lots of guns. Ancona would probably play more like a tier 4/5 Atlanta than a St. Louis, though. :)

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Edit: Did some math wrong. Stand by.

 

Edit: Fixed. Was calculating dpm for 6rpm instead of 6s reload.

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So it's sort of like the Atlanta, except with Akizuki-sized guns.  The captain would need IFHE to do decent damage, and the ship would be slow and vulnerable.  Probably be quite difficult to play in WoWS, but it would be amusing and pretty unique.

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2 minutes ago, dseehafer said:

 

Well, Ancona would probably be tier 4 or tier 5. And Ancona lacks the huge hitpoint pool that St. Louis has. The larger guns of St. Louis are more versatile as well, with only 100mm guns Ancona will live and die on her ability to start fires and keep 'em burning. But I see where you are coming from, both a are relatively slow, well-armored cruisers with lots of guns. Ancona would probably play more like a tier 4/5 Atlanta than a St. Louis, though. :)

Well we don’t know what tomorrow will bring… so probably 100 dollars for a tier 4-5 with a special flag ?:Smile_hiding:

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Just now, Vaidency said:

So it's sort of like the Atlanta, except with Akizuki-sized guns.  The captain would need IFHE to do decent damage, and the ship would be slow and vulnerable.  Probably be quite difficult to play in WoWS, but it would be amusing and pretty unique.

 

It wouldn't be too vulnerable. She shares the same armor scheme as Karlsruhe, the best-armored cruiser at tier 4. And her turtleback will keep the citadel at or below the waterline. Even at tier 5 she's better protected than Konigsberg. Sure she's no tank like St. Louis, but she's by no means extraordinarily vulnerable to shellfire.

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9 minutes ago, Vaidency said:

So it's sort of like the Atlanta, except with Akizuki-sized guns.  The captain would need IFHE to do decent damage, and the ship would be slow and vulnerable.  Probably be quite difficult to play in WoWS, but it would be amusing and pretty unique.

id disagree there.

its t4 maybe 5. if we go by whats happened in the past with ships that have come from the german navy to another, we can assume 1/4 pen, and if the armor is like the karlsrhue, itl be fine

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1 minute ago, Hanger_18 said:

id disagree there.

its t4 maybe 5. if we go by whats happened in the past with ships that have come from the german navy to another, we can assume 1/4 pen, and if the armor is like the karlsrhue, itl be fine

I don't see why it would have German pen mechanics if it's a German hull that has been refitted with a battery of Italian DP guns.

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47 minutes ago, Vaidency said:

I don't see why it would have German pen mechanics if it's a German hull that has been refitted with a battery of Italian DP guns.

actually OP messed up, after the refit, it was rocking 15cm either way its enough to pen any battleship it meets.

 

also the guns are german before and after the refit

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If they were to add her, I suspect that she’d be shoehorned in at Tier VI, regardless of how appropriate that might be. 

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13 minutes ago, Hanger_18 said:

actually OP messed up, after the refit, it was rocking 15cm either way its enough to pen any battleship it meets.

 

also the guns are german before and after the refit

 

No, the refit in question never happened. It would have been too expensive. The 100mm guns are Italian weapons. They are also on Cesare and Aosta. I certainly did not mess up. You and I are talking about two completely different refits. You are talking about her 1915 refit when her 105mm guns were switched out for 150mm guns, I am talking about her 1936 refit which never happened due to budget restraints.

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1 minute ago, Incendiary_Tanker said:

That Bow though 

 

It had to be elongated to fit a catapult.

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Wouldn't it only have a 16 guns broadside?

Unless they are like the rear guns on Svetlana that has a small opportunity to fire between other turrets.

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1 minute ago, MrDeaf said:

Wouldn't it only have a 16 guns broadside?

Unless they are like the rear guns on Svetlana that has a small opportunity to fire between other turrets.

 

Yes, I said as much. Read the statistics listing under "Main Battery". 26 guns total, 16 guns able to fire to a broadside.

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No torps at a tier when everybody else has them and the guns will require she get close.

What would the shell arcs be? Could she fill the Atlanta role in hiding behind islands?

May be include smoke as a consumable?

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Yeah, that was my thought.  Not buy as a gunship but as a mobile No-Fly Zone.

 

If WG could keep it rare, it might be fun.

 

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41 minutes ago, Seadog_Supreme said:

This ship would make Langley and Hosho useless. Not a good idea.

 

No more than Kirov does, she'd be very slightly ahead of the latter in full AAA build.

 

EDIT: Slight semi-error above, Texas is a closer comparison, but again thats with full AAA build, not that Texas and Kirov are that far apart ofc.

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