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Ranked Rewards Nerfed- why?

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Rank 4- Hydroaccoustic mod and FIVE Red Dragon flags- count em, FIVE

Rank 3- Radar Mod and once again FIVE Ouroboros flags

Rank 2- Engine Boost and our five measly Wyvern flags

Rank 1- same as we always got, but now only 50 ranked camos. Every season I've won before yielded 100 camos. Why nerf the payout this year? Is the long arduous grind to R1 going to be half as easy this season?

Still going to grind it out so I can finally get a Flint, but what's with the totally lame rewards this year?

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The rewards have been lackluster the past 2 seasons. WG is just continuing to make us work harder for less. Outstanding business model, that.

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I just want historically accurate camos for my Flint and Black, but the new alternate camos seem like they’ll just be more show-off based on their icons. Also, I was hoping Salem would be a reward ship for 7 rank 1s.

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18 minutes ago, Th3KrimzonD3mon said:

The rewards have been lackluster the past 2 seasons. WG is just continuing to make us work harder for less. Outstanding business model, that.

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Given their logic if you don't participate at all in Ranked you should get free botes, premium time and free XP.

 

 

 

I recall being sick one day back in Marketing 101.  That must have been the day they taught us to  take your regular, loyal customers for granted, but always reward the ones who leave because reasons...

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1 hour ago, Ju87s said:

Rank 4- Hydroaccoustic mod and FIVE Red Dragon flags- count em, FIVE

Rank 3- Radar Mod and once again FIVE Ouroboros flags

Rank 2- Engine Boost and our five measly Wyvern flags

Rank 1- same as we always got, but now only 50 ranked camos. Every season I've won before yielded 100 camos. Why nerf the payout this year? Is the long arduous grind to R1 going to be half as easy this season?

Still going to grind it out so I can finally get a Flint, but what's with the totally lame rewards this year?

I win the flint this time too. Seems like a good reward to me. I always see you out there. Hopefully we end up on the same team. 

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Signal Flags are a step up from mostly useless "Special Ship Modules". 

I'm just looking at the rewards and thinking "If I can stick out till I get the Black".

But the feeling of "Another Crap season of Rank is back" is growing.

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I don't value the mods that much. At least give Ranks 4-2 more flags - say, 15 -  and the mods too. The Rank 6 reward looks to be the only improvement over last season, as you get Dragon flags in addition to camo. The Rank 1 reward actually got worse this season.

Rank Season 7 Season 8
10 Second League Flag (-10% cost) First League Flag (-10% cost)
9 15x Halloween '16 Camo 15x “Commander Day” camo
8 15x Restless Fire Camo 15x “Hunter” camo
7 15x WoWS Birthday Camo 15x “Sparks of Victory” camo
6 15x Type 3 Halloween 'Camo 15x “Battle Hardened” camo
5x “Dragon” flags*
5 First League Flag (-20% cost) Premier League Flag (-20% cost)
4 15x Valentine Camo Hydroacoustic Search Mod. 1
5x “Red Dragon” flags
3 15x St. Patrick Camo Surveillance Radar Mod. 1
5x “Ouroboros” flags
2 15x GamesCom Camo Engine Boost Mod. 1
5x “Wyvern” flags
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100x Ranked Camo

2,500 Doubloons

"Jolly Roger" Flag

50x Ranked Camo

2,500 Doubloons

"Jolly Roger" Flag

 

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We're continuing to refine the Ranked season process which includes the rewards.  If you aren't a fan of these, please do tell us why!

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12 minutes ago, TheDreadnought said:

What are the -10% cost things about?  Is that to the refit cost of your ship after battle?

That's correct. It's pretty cool considering that it can be used on all ships in all match types during the duration of the Ranked season. 

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3 minutes ago, guns_at_last_light said:

That's correct. It's pretty cool considering that it can be used on all ships in all match types during the duration of the Ranked season. 

Oh it only lasts during ranked?  That explains it.   I thought after the Military Month flag they were never going to do that again.  Lol

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59 minutes ago, IronWolfV said:

Once again hit 15, get my free flag, move along.

Yep, I'll be using my same strategy from last season.

First goal: Rank 15 (-5% flag and the season flag)

Second goal: Rank 11 (250 doubloons)

Third goal: Rank 10 (-10% flag)

 

I could use a couple of those mods, but I'm not sure it is worth the grind.

Finally, I have no faith that I can get a Flint or a Black because I cannot count on the rules not changing before I get there.

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6 minutes ago, Radar_X said:

We're continuing to refine the Ranked season process which includes the rewards.  If you aren't a fan of these, please do tell us why!

Well, I'm not sure if you guys yourselves play the ranked mode you put out there for us, and grind yourselves to rank 1, but it is a very grueling, frustrating, often times rage-inducing process. The first season I ranked out, it took me almost 600 games. Some people grind through over 1000 games. The amount of time, effort, and psychological health that is sacrificed to make it far in ranked deserves decent rewards. Maybe some people would be thrilled to get those special mods, but a lot of us including myself aren't interested. They were given out in ranked 2 seasons ago and are common in super containers. I'm all set with special ship mods. So the special signals would be good motivator for the 5-2 rewards, but you get only 5 each... we're talking hundreds of battles for a mere 15 flags. And finally for ranked one, you got the ranked camos in half. You're saying you're refining the rewards, but what was the reason for this? Why do you guys think 100 camos was too much?

 

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52 minutes ago, Feminist said:

The sense of entitlement is strong.

You're a great player. Unlike you, I and the vast majority of other players can't make rank 1 in less than 100 battles. In my best season so far, it took me about 225. Ranked is miserable grind. You don't think players should be entitled to something better than 5 signal flags and a special ship mod for making it to R2?

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For the amount of grinding you have to do.. and frustration with the win/lose a star model.. the rewards shouldn't be nerfed more and more every season.  It takes a unicum player roughly 100 battles to reach rank 1... the average player 300-500'ish battles... for what - 50 camos and 2500 gold - why the continue nerf on rewards?   Which by the way 2500 gold barely pays for respeccing a captain to your tier 8 ships you intend to play (provided you haven't already purchased a $40+ premium).  

The fundamental issue with the rewards.. for example ranks 9-6... which require what 4 stars to complete?  For the average player that is like 25 battles (14 wins 12 losses with 3 stars saved for example) ... thus you have to play more games than the camo even lasts.  So what's the reward?  If you were going to offer a reward.. give 25+ camo's..  then by the time you play like 25 battles and get your 4 stars (for the average player) you at least maybe break even in camo's and get some bonuses for playing which for argument sake can be considered a "REWARD."  

25 minutes ago, Radar_X said:

We're continuing to refine the Ranked season process which includes the rewards.  If you aren't a fan of these, please do tell us why!

Requiring the same amount of grinding every season... for less rewards...  it doesn't take much to figure out that your player base will have negative feelings to that.  If you would for example, require less grinding for Rank 1.. and offered the current rewards- that would balance out.  

Giving out modules that many players already have... ok fair enough - why not modules, camo's, credits etc??  Why not include a mixture of rewards so that it may benefit MORE players...  I have 5 EXTRA Hydro Modules within inventory.. so my motivation for Rank 4 isn't exactly that high.  Why not give the hydro module, 10 red dragon flags, 1 million credits, and 25 camo's?   Now that may be a reward and achievement worth grinding for.  

   

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3 minutes ago, Simers72 said:

Giving out modules that many players already have... ok fair enough - why not modules, camo's, credits etc??  Why not include a mixture of rewards so that it may benefit MORE players...  I have 5 EXTRA Hydro Modules within inventory.. so my motivation for Rank 4 isn't exactly that high.  Why not give the hydro module, 5 red dragon flags, 1 million credits, and 25 camo's?   Now that would be a reward and achievement worth grinding for.  

   

Even a "choose your reward" type thing would be great. Options: credits, camos, signals, special mod.

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30 minutes ago, Radar_X said:

We're continuing to refine the Ranked season process which includes the rewards.  If you aren't a fan of these, please do tell us why!

I basicly fill out every seasons evaluation questionnaire. And each time I try to explain why the current matching mechanic (rank mm groupings vs fallback points) is mathematicaly and statisticaly quite a bit of a problem. Especially if you are mostly limited to play during off hours... Aparently I fail each time but then again I never learned math and statistics in english in school and university ;)

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48 minutes ago, Radar_X said:

We're continuing to refine the Ranked season process which includes the rewards.  If you aren't a fan of these, please do tell us why!

It seems that Wargaming thinks that playing Ranked is fun....  which it is.. for about 50 games.   THEN IT BECOMES A GRIND... a boring, same ships... SAME MAPS... 7v7... win some.. lose some.. play 10 battles (2.5 hours) and remain at the same spot when you started... GRIND.  For what?   craprewards?  I think the ranked system is absolute trash... the win/lose a star is awful, the fact that it is the same tier the WHOLE SEASON is awful.. the fact that it is ONLY 6 maps is so STALE and BORING after a while... and the rewards.. yes -  what is this refining for?  So you can try to skimp on the economy system jus ta bit more, to make a bit more $ next year.  

Reward the players who put themselves through this awful grind.  I would much rather the system change.. and would be more then happy to lay out my thoughts on these.  Stop making RANKED about GRINDING..(isn't that what randoms is for??)  if your going to call it ranked - reward players for playing well.. not often.   Cap the number of games to 100 (removes the grind) and reward based on how many wins you are able to accumulate.  If you win 65+ games Rank 1, 60+ Rank 2, 57+ Rank 3, 55+ Rank 4 etc... something of this nature.   Don't wanna limit the number of games?  ok - just remove the lose a star crap.. and require more stars to be gained.   If you lose? ok you didn't get a star..  but at least you didn't lose one.. talk about bringing more FUN into ranked and in theory much less negativity.  The last thing this games needs is more salt and negativity..  this is promoted because of the SYSTEM you are employing.      

Why 6 maps... why is that enough maps to play 300+ games on in the same ships..?   Why can you not make it 10 or 15 maps...   Why is not having enough maps ALWAYS the problem with this game?  I come from games where there are 100, 200+ maps... and strategy on the fly is rewarded...  not - oh yeh played this map 1000 times and I am going to go to d7 island EVERYTIME.  

 

Here's an idea Radar_X and for others on the Wargaming team... have each of you grind to Rank 1 (or if you don't reach Rank 1, give it your best effort, ie at least 40 games per week).. and at the end of it - let us know if you think the Rewards were "worth the grind."  After you have done your own FIRST HAND research, then you can report back to us on your findings and "refine" from there.   

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32 minutes ago, Radar_X said:

We're continuing to refine the Ranked season process which includes the rewards.  If you aren't a fan of these, please do tell us why!

As a end content player, i do not care about camos and the really insulting 5 flags per rank. The reward for repeatable getting rank 1 was a good idea. But I do not like the super camos for Black and Flint. Black doesn´t feel good playing as, because of the torpedoes and against because of smoke + radar combo. Flint is ok, but i do not like the skill level on T7.

 

The rank 1 league is even worse. Only the two best get a reward. Other would get better rewards in ranked. There are not many rank 1 player and there is a real trouble to get this games going on. Just reward a container with a around 700-800 base exp and all will be happy. It is not like there will be many games giong on.

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