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Really tired of players who use cheating softwares!

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Emphasize First: The point is that "odd things happen frequently after December 1st".

Since the beginning of this month I've met cheaters so often.

Hit my ship without a missing at a long distance even when I was speeding up, slowing down or turning left/right as if they could know my next action! When I fired back they always dodged or just disappeared right at the moment my shells hit their location.

Torpedoes could also hit me directly even though I was using a destroyer changing my speed and direction frequently, while many enemy ships, both destroyers and cruisers, easily dodged my torpedoes very often. Enemy ships also hid themselves very often while I was always detected even I was in the smoke.

And even for the battles my team won, the victory seemed strange. Often won either after my ship sank early or before my ship met any enemies. 

If these happened once or twice, I'd say enemy team had a veteran player or they were  just too lucky. But this happened too often after November, and much more often so suddenly. What's more, these never happen before the end of November, when I both hit enemies and got hit by enemies.

So I suspect that some sort of cheating software were released recently in December. None of these replies below explains why the odd things didn't happen until December. Veteran players suddenly joined the game in December, and most players I met before December were newbies as me? I don't think so. So cheating seems much more possible.

I here must tell players that the game is for fun. If you are using cheating software to let you win more battles, the game loses its meaning. 

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Cheat software that can predict the ships next action... I'd like to know how that could be done.  A good player however, can predict in some cases the next action.

OP simply needs more experience and a better understanding of the game.

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None of your example sound like cheating. Sounds like being outplayed. Predicting people's moves and locations is a important skill many players cultivate.  

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As you get more games under your belt you'll find that you too can do the things that you now consider cheating. Continuing the circle of life as a different newbie down the road will think you're cheating. In fact that's how you'll know you've made it as a WoWS player; the first time you get accused in chat of cheating.

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I guess I'm a cheater. 

After all, what would you call someone who does all those things with relative ease? 

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16 minutes ago, Red_Tornado_Striker said:

Since the beginning of this month I've met cheaters so often.

Hit my ship without a missing at a long distance even when I was speeding up, slowing down or turning left/right as if they could know my next action! When I fired back they always dodged or just disappeared right at the moment my shells hit their location.

Torpedoes could also hit me directly even though I was using a destroyer changing my speed and direction frequently, while many enemy ships, both destroyers and cruisers, easily dodged my torpedoes very often. Enemy ships also hid themselves very often while I was always detected even I was in the smoke.

And even for the battles my team won, the victory seemed strange. Often won either after my ship sank early or before my ship met any enemies. 

If these happened once or twice, I'd say they were  too lucky. But this happened too often after November. What's more, these never happen before the end of November, when I both hit enemies and got hit by enemies.

So I suspect that some sort of cheating software were released recently in December.

I here must tell players that the game is for fun. If you are using cheating software to let you win more battles, the game loses its meaning. 

Some is skill , some is luck.

The other day I took a potshot at a cruiser from 20km away right at the beginning of the game.   Landed 2 citadel hits, nearly killed it in one shot.

I was shocked.   I'm sure that guy thought I was using some kind of aim hack, but really just led him properly and got lucky on dispersion.

If that happened to you a few times in a short space of time, it might feel like people are cheating.  But really it's just a run of bad luck for you.   It happens.  

Of course you don't notice all the times where somebody targeting you is right on with the shots and lands almost nothing or misses entirely.

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Well none of the replies got the point: the time when the strange things start to happen: the Beginning of December.

So I need to emphasize: I also got hit often before December, but I could also hit enemies, too, during that time. And I don't believe that many veteran players suddenly joined the game in December and most players I met before December were newbies same as me.

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OP, enable replays and critically evaluate your and you opponents' actions. I think that if you do this you will find that they are simply good players.

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Just now, Snargfargle said:

OP, enable replays and critically evaluate your and you opponents' actions. I think that if you do this you will find that they are simply good players.

This ^^

 

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My guess is the beginning of December is when you “graduated” from protected match making and joined general match making.

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3 minutes ago, Red_Tornado_Striker said:

Well none of the replies got the point: the time when the strange things start to happen: the Beginning of December.

So I need to emphasize: I also got hit often before December, but I could also hit enemies, too, during that time. And I don't believe that many veteran players suddenly joined the game in December and most players I met before December were newbies same as me.

No, but new ships were added, including a bunch of DD's that had missions for them,meaning a lot of veteran players were burning up the low tiers.

Dude, some players are good enough to predict your moves from minimal info.

It's not software cheats, dude - and I'm sombody who has been having a losing December, I've dropped nearly .5% WR overall, but I'm not blaming cheats.

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6 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

OP, enable replays and critically evaluate your and you opponents' actions. I think that if you do this you will find that they are simply good players.

Yep this is a great idea, I know lordzath is always happy to review them and give commentary on how to improve gameplay. This is one of the best ways to get better as a player.

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10 minutes ago, Red_Tornado_Striker said:

Well none of the replies got the point: the time when the strange things start to happen: the Beginning of December.

So I need to emphasize: I also got hit often before December, but I could also hit enemies, too, during that time. And I don't believe that many veteran players suddenly joined the game in December and most players I met before December were newbies same as me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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Just now, Nukelavee45 said:

No, but new ships were added, including a bunch of DD's that had missions for them,meaning a lot of veteran players were burning up the low tiers.

Dude, some players are good enough to predict your moves from minimal info.

It's not software cheats, dude - and I'm sombody who has been having a losing December, I've dropped nearly .5% WR overall, but I'm not blaming cheats.

Dude, I lost many battle, too, before December. I didn't blame cheating, either. And whether cheating exists or not, it never change the rate of victory. Because cheating players could also be my teammates.

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You've literally been playing the game 1 month. As you go up in tiers, you're going against players that have more experience. You should expect to be hit more often if your game hasn't improved as you buy higher tier ships and go up against even higher tiers. 

Under Tier III,  you're playing against new players since most campaigns and missions have to be T-IV higher. Once you hit T-V you're going to be going against people that may have 10+ times the number of battles you have and easily hit 35-40% of their shots. 

Now if you're talking Co-Op battles, yes WG tweaks the bot behavior slightly each patch. And yes, you would have gotten one update since November 19th. 

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Oh you just had to do it.

Now will come the hordes screaming that cheats can't exist in their precious game because that would mean that maybe their friend isn't really as good as he appears to be, to say nothing of casting doubt onto how many of their "victories" might be the result of "allies" using less than legal means. They always get so angry the moment someone dares to imply that maybe not every player is honest.

As to what he saw. Its called aim bot plus wall hack, maybe with an ESP cheat thrown. Seen it very recently (by a member of that clan which Wargaming refuses to let us name). The wall hack means they always know where you are even through smoke, terrain, or not even spotted. Pretty big advantage right there. The aim bot is obvious but also makes it impossible for them to not see if you're changing direction, plus where to aim to hit even if they can't see you at all (aka the classic 15km+ repeated hits from behind an island even when moving). And the ESP hack gives them the same warning that the coop bots have - they know when you're turrets are pointing at them (instead of just "someone is pointing at you"),  how long until impact, and if they're on a collision course with torpedoes or not. Pretty useful stuff, especially when its not prone to lapses due to error or fatigue. And those are just the common ones - no one actually knows exactly how many different types of cheats for just this game are out there.

And if you think Wargaming cares, I've got ocean front in Montana to sell you. They're consistent lack of actions against cheaters, exploiters, and clans who push rules to the breaking point and beyond speaks of a profound lack of giving two [edited] as long as the money keeps coming in. The only time that they seem willing to take action are:

A) The cheater got caught in such a public manner that if they don't take action the resulting shitstorm will result in their name going down the toilet faster than EA's did.

B) The cheater is a whale at the top of the tiers, so they know if they ban them now (after they've gotten all their toys) they will be back to buy tomorrow to rebuy their toys plus flags and premium time to get back to the top.

 

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It's worth recognizing that in most boats speeding up/slowing down can be easily seen from the smokestacks...

Good players will see it.

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3 minutes ago, Red_Tornado_Striker said:

Well none of the replies got the point: the time when the strange things start to happen: the Beginning of December.

So I need to emphasize: I also got hit often before December, but I could also hit enemies, too, during that time. And I don't believe that many veteran players suddenly joined the game in December and most players I met before December were newbies same as me.

I found the game itself goes into 'mess with your mind' mode right around your first ship at tier 8.

It repeats again on your first ship at tier 9.

I just bought a Kidd for my second account, so those battles on that account are now Co-Op only until this clears off.  All random matches are miraculous losses there for the time being (at all tiers).

As I practiced my Kutuzov in Co-Op in April 2016, things got really weird -- like Killer Co-OP.  I was LOSING at Co-Op..  even worse at Random.

Same thing happened when I got the Missouri, my first T9..  Killer Co-Op for the first 20-30 battles.  Heck, Atago's were wiping me out while my guns were ineffective at full broadside.  I thought..   Noooo...  I'm going to keep at this in Co-Op until I stop losing.  Daren't go into Random like this.

Other ops have seen the same pattern.  I suspect it's a training thing...

I think this might be what's happening to you.

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That being said....

Are there real cheaters??   Um..  ABSOLUTELY.  Are there real cheaters playing right now??  I would say YES.

I would assume there is a sizable army of software crackers, working on new ways to fool the system, and cheat detection systems.

Are you describing the activities of cheaters in this post??   Um...  I find it doubtful.  I think the game is messing with you by giving you really crappy RNG chances.  I'm sure the programming staff has psychologists on retainer to come up with methods to force people into a love/hate relationship to this program they are constantly tweaking.  That expressed emotion forms a strong bond, and keeps you coming back.

That's not a cheat.  That's just a business trying to make money.

 

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7 minutes ago, Red_Tornado_Striker said:

That's your best comeback?

Here's another one for you then... 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

Now, whether you choose to accept it or not. NOTHING has changed in the timeline you described. 

There are no cheats that predict the future. 

If you WASD, then you are doing it so predictably that it's easy to resolve. Here's a hint, I always shoot torps volleys in pairs. One at where you're going and one at where you'll be going if you see my first set and turn. 

I learned, via lots of practice, to hit ships firing from smoke. I've killed two minotaurs in the last three days who were stationary in smoke. Not with torps, but with direct fire. It's awesome to get citadels on cruisers who think that they are invisible in smoke. It's not a hack. It's training. 

You've had a rough run. But until you acknowledge that people are good players and that you have a lot to learn, you will never / can never get better.  

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Just now, AVR_Project said:

I found the game itself goes into 'mess with your mind' mode right around your first ship at tier 8.

It repeats again on your first ship at tier 9.

I just bought a Kidd for my second account, so those battles on that account are now Co-Op only until this clears off.  All random matches are miraculous losses there for the time being (at all tiers).

As I practiced my Kutuzov in Co-Op in April 2016, things got really weird -- like Killer Co-OP.  I was LOSING at Co-Op..  even worse at Random.

Same thing happened when I got the Missouri, my first T9..  Killer Co-Op for the first 20-30 battles.  Heck, Atago's were wiping me out while my guns were ineffective at full broadside.  I thought..   Noooo...  I'm going to keep at this in Co-Op until I stop losing.  Daren't go into Random like this.

Other ops have seen the same pattern.  I suspect it's a training thing...

I think this might be what's happening to you.

.....................................

That being said....

Are there real cheaters??   Um..  ABSOLUTELY.  Are there real cheaters playing right now??  I would say YES.

I would assume there is a sizable army of software crackers, working on new ways to fool the system, and cheat detection systems.

Are you describing the activities of cheaters in this post??   Um...  I find it doubtful.  I think the game is messing with you by giving you really crappy RNG chances.  I'm sure the programming staff has psychologists on retainer to come up with methods to force people into a love/hate relationship to this program they are constantly tweaking.  That expressed emotion forms a strong bond, and keeps you coming back.

That's not a cheat.  That's just a business trying to make money.

 

So, you mean that matching is not absolutely "random" but depends on different players' experience, right? Yeah, your explanation makes sense.

Another reason I suspect the cheating thing exists: a friend of mine have played this game for 2 years since 2015 (probably one of the earliest players), he confirmed that cheating software did exist last year, but was later banned by WG. So, when strange things start to happen suddenly and frequently in this month, I suspect a new cheating software  has been released and can not be detected by WG.

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Someone mentioned being hit while moving behind an island even though he was undetected. You don't have to cheat to do this, you just have to pay attention. I don't even use any mods, other than changing the one logicalical "false" to "true" in order to enable replays. However, I routinely hit, and even sink, ships that are hiding from behind islands with my Cleveland. Here's how I do it.

If I see a ship go undetected behind an island, or see a single plane circling, which indicates that a ship is near. I aim where I think the ship might be. If I hit it I then continue firing. If I don't hit it, and there is nothing else in range at the moment for me to fire at, I just shoot here and there in hopes of hitting something. If a salvo of shells hits something I then fire for effect, if not I shoot somewhere else. Rinse and repeat. If a ship is moving in a constant direction and speed it's relatively easy to keep pounding it too, even when it is undetected

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18 minutes ago, DemonicTreerat said:

Oh you just had to do it.

Now will come the hordes screaming that cheats can't exist in their precious game because that would mean that maybe their friend isn't really as good as he appears to be, to say nothing of casting doubt onto how many of their "victories" might be the result of "allies" using less than legal means. They always get so angry the moment someone dares to imply that maybe not every player is honest.

Lol you really don't get it don't you?

This game is not Client-sided, it's Server sided. That means that all the calculations and Actions happen at a Server in WG's Basement, not on every individual Computer. When I fire my gun, I only send a Signal to the Server requesting to fire the guns. There the Server checks if I am allowed to fire (is the gun reloaded, aimed, not damaged, etc.), then it calculates my Shell path (Dispersion and stuff) and lets the Shell run until the Shell either collides with the ship or Terrain. The only Thing my PC does is vidualizing what the Server sends back.

So if I wanted to get god-like Dispersion I would have to hack the Servers, find the exact game in which I am, manipulate the data there and make sure to return everything back to normal once the game Ends. And all of that within a few minutes while not being caught.

 

Seriously, if I had such hacking skills I would not use them for Video games, that would be a waste of potential.

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