Match Making has sunk to a new low

[IBM]

Ok let me set the stage.

just left domination match.

everyone knows if one side gets more dd's in a domination match they have the upper hand.

NOW  that there is radar there is a new way for matching making to be even more screwed up and lopsided then it already is.

last match enemy gets - 4 dd's and - 4 radar ships.

my team get 3 dd's and 1 radar ship.

who do you think won?

the match lasted less then 4 minutes. I still got 2 kills but match was over before it started.

perhaps if you tried to fix match making you could. but you have to want to try and you don't.

great job at beta testing and making things so balanced this is your new low.

forgive me if i have lost all faith in you but ever since my murmansk was nerfed into a floating powder keg waiting for a cruiser to one hit kill it, I have no faith what so ever in you.

you have taken up the same business model as your sister company world of tanks. SELL A AWESOME SHIP OR TANK AND WHEN SAILS SLOW YOU NERF IT TO A PIECE OF CRAP.

i had had nothing but wins this morning in my fletcher, great matches made top of the list a few times and lost 200,000 silver over all another great system. 

and I am supposed to buy a gearing now? 

it seems to me you hate anyone who can't give you money or won't because you have screwed them over to many times!.

 

 

 

[Chaos_EN2]

[Spud_butt]

10 minutes ago, IBM said:

the match lasted less then 4 minutes. I still got 2 kills but match was over before it started.

the battle lasted almost 4 minutes, your team got at least 2 kills, so by definition, this was not a slaughter loss, MM is working as intended.

if you were under the impression that DDs were not OPed (except the khab), and did not know which ships had radar, and the rest of your teams were potatoes, and they didn't know either, you would not have felt MM was unfair or rigged, and probably would have won that battle. this is sort of like the players that know the stats of every player in the battle in the ship they are playing, it gives them what they think is knowledge of the battle result. 

but they don't know what RNG has been assigned do they? WELL, DO THEY??? no.

WG loves us, and cares about how happy we are. very much. they don't care if we pay or not, it's a free to play, and free to win, game.

[Niknack9230]

19 minutes ago, IBM said:

Ok let me set the stage.

just left domination match.

everyone knows if one side gets more dd's in a domination match they have the upper hand.

NOW  that there is radar there is a new way for matching making to be even more screwed up and lopsided then it already is.

last match enemy gets - 4 dd's and - 4 radar ships.

my team get 3 dd's and 1 radar ship.

who do you think won?

the match lasted less then 4 minutes. I still got 2 kills but match was over before it started.

perhaps if you tried to fix match making you could. but you have to want to try and you don't.

great job at beta testing and making things so balanced this is your new low.

forgive me if i have lost all faith in you but ever since my murmansk was nerfed into a floating powder keg waiting for a cruiser to one hit kill it, I have no faith what so ever in you.

you have taken up the same business model as your sister company world of tanks. SELL A AWESOME SHIP OR TANK AND WHEN SAILS SLOW YOU NERF IT TO A PIECE OF CRAP.

i had had nothing but wins this morning in my fletcher, great matches made top of the list a few times and lost 200,000 silver over all another great system. 

and I am supposed to buy a gearing now? 

it seems to me you hate anyone who can't give you money or won't because you have screwed them over to many times!.

 

 

 

I sense someone is begging for the salt....

[BrushWolf]

"Fixing" the MM would likely lead to unexpected consequences which would be worse that the problem that was fixed.

[RipNuN2]

[IBM]

looks like the fan girls are out in force 

14 minutes ago, not_acceptable said:

WG loves us, and cares about how happy we are. very much. they don't care if we pay or not, it's a free to play, and free to win, game.

fan boying so hard I rofl at you.

this is why nothing get fixed.

ignorant SYCOPHANT'S should not be what keeps developers from making things better.

[IBM]

17 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

Fixing" the MM would likely lead to unexpected consequences which would be worse that the problem that was fixed

well let put that thinking to work and stop doing beta testing because it could make things worse.

in fact lets let everything that is wrong with the world just stay that way because trying to fix things could only cause unexpected consequences.

with all due respect.

[Spud_butt]

1 minute ago, IBM said:

looks like the fan girls are out in force 

fan boying so hard I rofl at you.

this is why nothing get fixed.

ignorant SYCOPHANT'S should not be what keeps developers from making things better.

1) what are fan girls, and why do you think/hope i'm one?

2) which is it, fan girls or fan boys? I don't want to start a controversy, or upset anyone for any reason, but I can't really switch back and forth just to make you happy. sorry.

3) nothing need get fixed. with the possible exception of grammar, lack of caps, and making some sense. I struggle from that most of the time, so I know what you meant.

4) I am NOT an IGNORANT sycophant !! am a very well educated, PC game experienced, observant, kind person that gives people and businesses a chance to earn my trust and loyalty. WG has done so.

I wake up in the morning, and the only thing I have to look forward to, besides work, cooking for myself, cleaning (for myself), answering telemarketing calls, and responding to emails from people that want me to buy more crap from them is playing WoWs. just think how crappy my life would be if WoWs was a crappy game!! I would have nothing to look forward to. nothing. nothing at all. don't take that away from me because you had one bad battle.

as it is, occasionally I have a super-unicum battle, and everybody likes me a lot on my team, and just about everybody loves me here in WoWs, and I have hundreds of followers and friends here on the forum (ed note: not really, but it makes me happy to fantasize that I do, so I will continue with that)

devs won't be making things better based on complaints of the sort made by the OP. this game is already great, one of the greatest ever, and responding to whiners and sulkers after one bad battle is not going to help nothing.

[Chaos_EN2]

14 minutes ago, IBM said:

fan boying

SO we should all agree with you or else we are fan boys, and every time YOU say something is wrong with the game WG should change to suit just you.

Okay

[BrushWolf]

Just now, IBM said:

well let put thinking to work and stop doing bet testing because it could make things worse.

in fact lets let everything that is wrong with the world just stay that way because trying to fix things could only cause unexpected consequences.

with all due respect.

The MM is a complicated beast and the only place changes can really be tested is the live game. One obvious negative would be long que times even when there are lots of players in range as often happens to CV's now. How would you like to be passed over time and again because you chose the wrong ship and it wouldn't be fixed until the next patch?

[Spud_butt]

1 minute ago, Chaos_EN2 said:

SO we should all agree with you or else we are fan boys, and every time YOU say something is wrong with the game WG should change to suit just you.

Okay

no. we are fan girls, or fan boys, which are evidently interchangeable. at least in his mind. at this time I don't know what to think of either.

GO WG !!! enjoying my holidays, and life, more because you are in it.  :o)

[Trash_Taste_In_Waifus]

1 minute ago, not_acceptable said:

no. we are fan girls, or fan boys, which are evidently interchangeable. at least in his mind. at this time I don't know what to think of either.

GO WG !!! enjoying my holidays, and life, more because you are in it.  :o)

But im technically both :) still kinda wrong for him to call you that i gave you a rep

[Chaos_EN2]

4 minutes ago, not_acceptable said:

GO WG !!! enjoying my holidays, and life, more because you are in it.  :o)

Same here, since I found this game it is the only thing I play now - No more LoTRo, or GW2.

 

[DreadRaybo]

Don't want to get into the details of the OP's post, but I agree with the gist of it.  It would be nice if MM would try to even out the number of radar ships per side, in the same manner it does all other ship types.  It shouldn't really add to queue times, except where divs are concerned.  A div of 3 radar ships may have to wait a bit longer than usual.

[Spud_butt]

1 minute ago, Chaos_EN2 said:

Same here, since I found this game it is the only thing I play now - No more LoTRo, or GW2.

this here post got me thinking...  about 4 months ago I was playing another game, and was bored out of my mind. why? WoWs.

WoWs is crazy, maddeningly broken at times, but the good, close, hard fought battles are the most fun I've had in a computer game. 

spent my life in competitive athletics, and every game is different. there are times when everything, even the major errors work for you, times when nothing you do works, and plans/goals get tossed out the window, and you hope for it to be over quickly. this game has all that in it. 

there were months when the RL characteristics just mentioned made me utterly bonkers hating it, but it's what is also hugely appealing about it, at least most of the time lately. how much of it happens because mechanics are broken, and how much is deliberate? dunno, and it really doesn't matter as long as I get those great battles once and a while.

seriously doubt the great battles would feel so great if they happened all the time.

(ed. note: am seriously thinking about starting a thread about the crazy stupid stuff that's obviously broken in this game that makes it more appealing. bet more than a few of you could contribute to that, huh?)

[Ghostdog1355]

17 minutes ago, DreadRaybo said:

Don't want to get into the details of the OP's post, but I agree with the gist of it.  It would be nice if MM would try to even out the number of radar ships per side, in the same manner it does all other ship types.  It shouldn't really add to queue times, except where divs are concerned.  A div of 3 radar ships may have to wait a bit longer than usual.

There's not really a way for MM to know what ships have certain modules and captain skill is there. Guess the ship itself (name) would be an indication?

[Wowzery]

1 hour ago, IBM said:

last match enemy gets - 4 dd's and - 4 radar ships.

my team get 3 dd's and 1 radar ship.

That's provided those 4 players with radar know how to use it as well.  They could have gotten 4 potato users, or those ships get deleted.

Can't say I pay much attention to which team has more DDs or not.  Last time I did that I recall we won.  Of course it helped that I sank two of those DDs early in the match swinging the 'favor' to my team.

[Spud_butt]

1 minute ago, Wowzery said:

That's provided those 4 players with radar know how to use it as well.  They could have gotten 4 potato users, or those ships get deleted.

Can't say I pay much attention to which team has more DDs or not.  Last time I did that I recall we won.  Of course it helped that I sank two of those DDs early in the match swinging the 'favor' to my team.

was one of the red DDs a khab? because if the reds have a khab, and the greens have none, the greens are going to lose that battle. there has to be a way that MM can tell if there is a khab surplus on one team, sort of like all CVs have to be Tier matched. if there was 2 khabs on one side, and an extra unicum CV on the other, that would even things out.

O M G I am freaking out. it's all so unfair. wait a sec, i'll try breathing....   ok, i'm better now. sorry about that.

but seriously, you can't win if there's a khab on one team, and not the other. 

other than that, this game is perfectly awesomely far out and fun to play. 

[Chaos_EN2]

54 minutes ago, not_acceptable said:

WoWs is crazy, maddeningly broken at times, but the good, close, hard fought battles are the most fun I've had in a computer game. 

Yeah it is the same for me, there have been time it drives me nuts, heck I have almost quit once. BUT it is the ONLY game on my computer.

[Burt6666]

At least no one brought up win ratio....

[Burt6666]

Oops !!!

[bassmasta76]

4 hours ago, Ghostdog1355 said:

There's not really a way for MM to know what ships have certain modules and captain skill is there. Guess the ship itself (name) would be an indication?

It could be programmed...  anyway, ship name isn't the best indicator..  not arguing with you at all, because it would be better than nothing...

 

Anyway, to my point.  I had a match where I looked at the lineups and said to myself "great, no radar ships on the other team"...  well, I was rudely proven wrong because their Minotaur was running Radar and not smoke.  That was a shock.  I'm sure the percentage of Mino drivers who forego smoke for radar is small, but it can happen.

I don't recall the outcome of that match, but that Mino got some karma points for being a sneaky s.o.b 

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[Ghostdog1355]

1 hour ago, bassmasta76 said:

It could be programmed...  anyway, ship name isn't the best indicator..  not arguing with you at all, because it would be better than nothing...

 

Anyway, to my point.  I had a match where I looked at the lineups and said to myself "great, no radar ships on the other team"...  well, I was rudely proven wrong because their Minotaur was running Radar and not smoke.  That was a shock.  I'm sure the percentage of Mino drivers who forego smoke for radar is small, but it can happen.

I don't recall the outcome of that match, but that Mino got some karma points for being a sneaky s.o.b 

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Dude wasn't trying to argue. Just because I've played and posted a lot by in no means make me think I know everything. That's why I come here. Learned more in a month in here listening to you guys than 2 years playing and trying to figure crap out on my own

[Taylor3006]

Just going to cut and paste my response to a similar post from earlier:

Matchmaking is the most often cited reason in "Screw You Guys, I Quit" posts here in the forums. If you look at the negative Steam reviews, it is second only to the inability to integrate your Steam account with your standard Wargaming account. IMHO it is about half the forum population who dislikes MM the way it is and about half that like it. Wargaming itself sees no problem with it even though quite a few players leave the game around tier 5/6. WoWS bleeds mid level players like a severed artery, this leads to fewer people at higher tiers. The solution is to drag lower tier ships into higher tiered games which just leads to more people leaving. It is a stupid solution but one that will not be dealt with because Wargaming says it isn't a problem... You go figure...