Duke of York Disappointment

[STINKWEED_]

It's always nice to see a higher tier premium ship as a prize for a new campaign however, after reading her stats, the Duke of York seems like a big disappointment. It's certainly not a King George V clone.
In a nutshell it's a severely nerfed KG5, under-gunned and under-ranged for it's tier.

WOWS decided to give her better AA and Hydro. In exchange, it's DPM is significantly lower, it has one less Repair Party, and they removed the spotting/fighter aircraft. If that wasn't enough, rudder shift time is 17.s.

For players like myself who have a KG5 (and like to play her) I'll most likely sell her for the free slot. It's really too bad because if she was a clone of KG5 I would have played her regularly. 

[Chaos_EN2]

5 minutes ago, STINKWEED_ said:

For players like myself who have a KG5 (and like to play her) I'll most likely sell her for the free slot. It's really too bad because if she was a clone of KG5 I would have played her regularly. 

Yeah I am thinking the same thing, earn her then sell her.

Or not even try.

[Dr_Venture]

Hey it's a campaign, a campaign to motivate me to play.

I just want the scharnhorst camo. 

[Kaa1elWoWS]

I'm still excited to earn her. WG may or may not change stats, you never know. I'm looking forward to making bank off of the t6 ships you earn on the way to the Scharnhorst camo.

[Panzer1113]

Free is free.  Like getting the ships, but can't say any of the free ships I have gotten are ones I play much - in terms of premiums - ( tech tree may be exceptions Bis last year along with the tier 6 ships).  Can't say that the Kat, Vampire, OK are without flaws, Shinnome is probably the most rounded, but most sit in port unless my fancy turns to one of them... except the Spee - that was one quality get ( I did not get the Kami Z during the fire/water event, but this was quality also)

[desmo_2]

What T6 ships, I wonder?  I didn't look close enough at the video to ID them.  Didn't we get T6 ships from a previous campaign, as well?

[TTK_Aegis]

Don't think I could ever justify selling a free ship just to get a port slot as cheap as those are. I'll earn her and play her and see if I like her or not. Rarely ever base my opinions on what others say anyway. 

[Lert]

6 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

Didn't we get T6 ships from a previous campaign, as well?

Yep.

[Skpstr]

However bad it is, I'm sure it'll be ok for captain retraining. I'm stopping progress on RN ships until I get it.

[Panzer1113]

9 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

What T6 ships, I wonder?  I didn't look close enough at the video to ID them.  Didn't we get T6 ships from a previous campaign, as well?

Fuso, Farragut, Bayern,  Bundy, Leander last year X-mas mission

[TTK_Aegis]

Just now, _RC1138 said:

Yeah. All the ST's and CC's crapon the Kidd and it might be the most PTW boat in the game right now (with the Belfast and KA gone).

Simple fact is that CCs are going to write based on what they experience with a ship. There aren't enough CCs doing reviews to cover all the kinds of players out there. If you only buy based on what they say is good, that's only going to work out for you all the time if you're just like them with how you play and what you enjoy. People are too different for that to happen often.

Sure, take note of things like "the AP is weak" or "the arcs are bad" or "it can be seen from space" but if these things don't bother you or you're use to dealing with them, why should they equate to not buying the ship just because the CC says it should? You know? 

[YamatoA150]

But KGV is a safe, "balanced", T7 Premium BB everyone has been wanting! Inferior to her line counterpart! A free T7; a rarity! All one has to do is camp the second-line and spam HE all day!

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Seriously though; she's a recycled hull, and likely just a throwaway RN BB Premium to fill in the need for a Christmas Campaign ship without having to dip into their more profitable Premiums still in progress, such as Roma or Graf Spee.

Sure, some will buy her, just to unlock the second campaign and get that one done rather than spend a week grinding both campaigns, but most will just deal with the grind, get their free DoY, play her once to unlock the 2nd campaign, then sell her or drydock her.

[TheDreadnought]

Yeah they really need to buff RoF and Rudder shift.  The reduced heals is fine if they need to take something else.

[IronWolfV]

Free ship is free ship.

[RipNuN2]

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

[desmo_2]

I don't mind having a few ships that are a bit challenging.  If they are free premiums, even better.

[Helstrem]

1 minute ago, RipNuN2 said:

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth when you need a horse and don't have one.

 

Feel free to look a gift horse in the mouth when you have lots of horses and don't really need any more.

 

Also, DoY is not free.  It requires time or money to get.  For those of us with little free time for R&R, a hunk of junk is not going to motivate us to play WoWS over other activities.  The only reasons I am torn is that the KGV class is my favorite class of BBs so I would really like a premium KGV so that I can freely move captains on and off of her and the blind hope that WG will buff her at some point to make her usable.

[Azumazi]

Anyone got a complete list of the updated changes? I'm still only seeing the old 25 sec reload and other stats.

edit: NM, I see Mouse updated her review.

[jmanII]

4 hours ago, desmo_2 said:

What T6 ships, I wonder?  I didn't look close enough at the video to ID them.  Didn't we get T6 ships from a previous campaign, as well?

From the new Duke of York campaign:  New Mexico, La Galissoniere, Ernst Gaede, Queen Elizabeth and FuShun

Graf Spee Campaign: Farragut, Bayern, Fuso, Leander and Budyonny

This is going to be exactly like the Graf Spee campaign - basically timed (4 days each mission set) to complete 5 sets of missions to get the Duke of York.  You then use the Duke to open the follow on missions to the above mentioned tier VI ships.  

The [edited] thing is that you only have a limited amount of time after the last mission opens to get the Duke AND finish the missions for the tier VI ships (this includes the Scharnhorst camo I believe).  

They will also most likely release the Duke for purchase in the shop (as they did Graf) to complete the missions for the tier VI ships earlier.

I finished it with the Graf Spee, but only just.  It is however a great way to skip to tier VI ships in each of the lines!  This is the real reason I am going to complete this campaign, not for the Duke of York.

I also remember getting a port slot and the silver equivalent of any ship I already had.

 

[Battlecruiser_Siegfried]

The ship is junktacular. Seeing as I will be out of town for most of the campaign, it was a relief to read LWM's review confirming that it's a completely useless addition to the game.

[Wolcott]

23 minutes ago, YamatoA150 said:

Sure, some will buy her, just to unlock the second campaign and get that one done rather than spend a week grinding both campaigns, but most will just deal with the grind, get their free DoY, play her once to unlock the 2nd campaign, then sell her or drydock her.

It's pretty silly grinding for a garbage ship, even a free one. But if the tasks to get her are neither hard nor time consuming, then I'm not complaining. I intend to keep DoY well away from random battles and only use her in co-op and scenarios.

[STINKWEED_]

31 minutes ago, _RC1138 said:

Trading the aircraft for sonar is fine; I don't see having extended range for what amounts to 2-4 salvos worthwhile enough compared to spotting torps 4.2 km away. But losing ROF to do it is what drives this into unacceptable. I would be fine with losing even the extra heal, with SI and Prem that's still 4 heals total and plenty of excess health to maintain, but there is no rational reason to have a 30 second (29.5 blah) reload given that, at the end of the day, it's still T6 guns seeing T9's.

It has 18 km range which is very low for tier 7 and worse when encountering tier 8 and 9 BBs. Reload is bad but when the enemy can fire at you and you don't have the range to fire back..... that's also going to be problematic. I use the spotting plane all the time on my KG5. It's very useful 

 

[Azumazi]

2 minutes ago, Wolcott said:

It's pretty silly grinding for a garbage ship, even a free one. But if the tasks to get her are neither hard nor time consuming, then I'm not complaining. I intend to keep DoY well away from random battles and only use her in co-op and scenarios.

I personally look at it this way, they are far far FAR more likely to buff a ship underperforming. So I would rather unlock it and have them buff it after they get more data in than not have it at all and find out the adjustments made her a solid ship that I missed out on for that reason alone.

Overall, I hadn't really worked on the French Cruiser line or the Chinese DD line, so basically this campaign gets me a boost so I don't have to grind those up (although later on when the French BB's drop those low tier Chinese DD's are coming out).

[STINKWEED_]

BTW  Last year's campaign prize was the Graf Spee. It's a fantastic ship once you get used to her and she wasn't a nerfed version either. I still play her all the time. 

[Wolcott]

32 minutes ago, Azumazi said:

I personally look at it this way, they are far far FAR more likely to buff a ship underperforming. So I would rather unlock it and have them buff it after they get more data in than not have it at all and find out the adjustments made her a solid ship that I missed out on for that reason alone.

If only they did that for Imperator Nikolai. She's almost impossible to get and I've given up all hope of ever getting her. But I agree. Crap now, buff later. Still waiting for buffs to Oleg though.

28 minutes ago, Azumazi said:

Overall, I hadn't really worked on the French Cruiser line or the Chinese DD line, so basically this campaign gets me a boost so I don't have to grind those up (although later on when the French BB's drop those low tier Chinese DD's are coming out).

The T6 rewards is pretty much my only motivation for bothering with this campaign. But what I never liked about these campaigns is that they are always repetitive and time consuming. The only campaign that was fun and interesting for me was Dunkirk, but that's only because it was a PvE operation. AFAIK North Cape will only be for random/ranked battles and the tasks will only unlock each week, just like last year.