Baltimore is the big Cleveland

[AdmiralThunder]

Just played my 1st game in Baltimore and not only does the ship look like the Cleveland but it plays like it. Guns even feel like it (ie; floaty shells). The AA is even pretty good. Another Baltimore player and I sort of teamed for the match and the enemy planes never got close. Just melted away. Looks like after the split the T8 CL and CA will be very similar.

Anyone else feel like Baltimore reverts back to the Cleveland feel and playstyle that went away with Pensacola and New Orleans? I feel like I just did a 180. LOL.  

[StableGenius]

You gonna be more excited when you unlock the Des Memes, trust me

[AVR_Project]

Baltimore has heal, and some pretty nice Gneisenau citadeling AP (at the right gun range).

I recently purchased back the Pensacola.  The things I learned from fighting (and getting erased) at tier 10 really helped my skill with that dreaded bucket.

If someone simply free-XP'd their way to the Baltimore, they'd be more lost than if had ground out the Cleveland into the Pensacola.

Plainly spoken, Cleveland is an OP TANK at tier 6.  At tier 8, it will be at the mercy of tier 10 boats where it will be vaporized with a single salvo - no matter how it's angled.

I like the Cleveland very much.  I also like the Baltimore.  Even at tier 9, the Baltimore ground by too quickly.  Those two were ones that I gladly shelled out cash for permanent camo.

For me, that line is complete since I repurchased the Pensacola (and 2K doubs == premium camo).  I am nervously anxious about what the new year brings in changes.

For the time being, I'm enjoying the heck out of kicking around the Pensacola.

[AdmiralThunder]

2 hours ago, Lionel92 said:

You gonna be more excited when you unlock the Des Memes, trust me

I wasn't making the comparison as a compliment LOL. I actually don't care for Cleveland much. However, Baltimore seems ok. Just reminds me so much of Cleveland with the way the shells hang and float. Looks similar too. Des Moines is a LONG way off for me as a Co-op player.

2 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

Baltimore has heal, and some pretty nice Gneisenau citadeling AP (at the right gun range).

I recently purchased back the Pensacola.  The things I learned from fighting (and getting erased) at tier 10 really helped my skill with that dreaded bucket.

If someone simply free-XP'd their way to the Baltimore, they'd be more lost than if had ground out the Cleveland into the Pensacola.

Plainly spoken, Cleveland is an OP TANK at tier 6.  At tier 8, it will be at the mercy of tier 10 boats where it will be vaporized with a single salvo - no matter how it's angled.

I like the Cleveland very much.  I also like the Baltimore.  Even at tier 9, the Baltimore ground by too quickly.  Those two were ones that I gladly shelled out cash for permanent camo.

For me, that line is complete since I repurchased the Pensacola (and 2K doubs == premium camo).  I am nervously anxious about what the new year brings in changes.

For the time being, I'm enjoying the heck out of kicking around the Pensacola.

I don't think Cleveland is all that great. Kind of meh IMO. I actually like Pensacola better even if it is more fragile (although I find Cleveland kind of fragile too).  The AP from Pepsi is really good. New Orleans is a good ship too but man it feels like the grind from T7-T9 is in the same ship as Pepsi and NO are so similar. 

I have Cleveland through Baltimore now, bought the Omaha again to grind out XP to have on hand for the T6 CL Dallas if we have to buy it,  and have all the current perma camos T6-T9 so I am ready for the split. 

[Wye_So_Serious]

OK, then riddle me this Batman. If Balty is indeed a bigger Cleve (and it is, marginally) why is Baltimore's concealment so much better?

Cleve is much beefier up top for sure but not +/- 25% larger. Is it the mast height/Pensacolitis?

I don't expect OP to answer specifically- it just feels like another nerf Cleve received to be T6. I can only imagine the amount salty tears from other T5/T6/T7 cruisers if Cleve was able to regularly sneak up within 9.7km and unleash an multiple citadel AP salvo - something that Balty does quite well.

 

 

[AdmiralThunder]

8 hours ago, hofmannsc said:

OK, then riddle me this Batman. If Balty is indeed a bigger Cleve (and it is, marginally) why is Baltimore's concealment so much better?

Cleve is much beefier up top for sure but not +/- 25% larger. Is it the mast height/Pensacolitis?

I don't expect OP to answer specifically- it just feels like another nerf Cleve received to be T6. I can only imagine the amount salty tears from other T5/T6/T7 cruisers if Cleve was able to regularly sneak up within 9.7km and unleash an multiple citadel AP salvo - something that Balty does quite well.

 

 

Good because I don't know LOL. Most likely the Baltimore has such good concealment as part of that whole "Balance" thing everyone talks about. Short range guns and no torps. Needs something to help it so make it less detectable. 

[Capt_Sassypants]

Yes, this is exactly what I thought when I got the Balti. It seemed like the Pensa and the NO were a very different type of ships and playstyles compared to the Cleveland and Balti. I actually went back to playing the Cleveland a bit when I first got the Balti to get a feel for that type of ship again but not potentially spending the silver on taking out a T9 ship.

[Kesh_Lives]

On 12/18/2017 at 10:56 AM, AdmiralThunder said:

Just played my 1st game in Baltimore and not only does the ship look like the Cleveland but it plays like it. Guns even feel like it (ie; floaty shells). The AA is even pretty good. Another Baltimore player and I sort of teamed for the match and the enemy planes never got close. Just melted away. Looks like after the split the T8 CL and CA will be very similar.

Anyone else feel like Baltimore reverts back to the Cleveland feel and playstyle that went away with Pensacola and New Orleans? I feel like I just did a 180. LOL.  

Well, on a 'real ship' basis, it's based off the same hull as the Cleveland is.  They're both based off the Brooklyn hull.  That's why Pensacola and New Orleans seem strange in comparison to Baltimore.  They're the end of their design branch, and, of course they were 'treaty cruisers', and what restrictions and tradeoffs that entails.  Basically Pensacola and New Orleans are pre-war construction, while Cleveland and Baltimore are war-built.  Des Moines is just the top end in CA technology when it came out. 

i.e. there's a reason for this.

Also, Cleveland is nerfed pretty hard to fit at T6.  I'm waiting for the post-split T7: Helena.  Helena is the 2nd 'St. Louis class' cruiser (hence not using the 'class name'), which was a subclass of the Brooklyn with 5"/38 DP secondaries instead of the 5"/25s that Brooklyn had.  15 6" guns, 5 turrets.  Cleveland and Baltimore hulls are based off of it. 

It'll feel much better to hit the T6 paper CL (Dallas?), then Brooklyn/Helena at T7, then naturally progress to Cleveland at T8, then the paper Seattle, whatever it's going to be, and then Worcester at T10.  Worcester is the American Minotaur.  12 guns in pairs, 6" DP.

Going from NO at T7 to Baltimore at T8 will still feel strange, but, if you know that NO is the end of a development line, it's understandable.