playing DD's can't get past 2million silver 2 months

[IBM]

I posted about this before a week ago still haven't gone past 2m silver radar has ruined this game.

before radar in domination I was 95% of the time on the team with less dd's.

now im always on the team with more dd's wierd huh but always on the team with less radar wierd huh.

and most of the matches im detected most of the time im alive in the match.

it just not fun. its not like dd's completly dominated the game but now they friggijn suck to play

 

[Spyde]

I play DD's.

 

They still work the same for me.

 

Adapt sir.

[Snargfargle]

It looks like you have been playing a lot of high-tier DDs lately. At higher tiers you will not earn the net credits that you do at lower tiers unless you have a premium account and/or a bunch of economic accoutrements added to your ship. Try going back to something like a Fubuki for a while in order to earn more credits if you need them. Even if you are good (as you seem be, at least in the Fletcher) at the highest tiers you may still only just break even credits-wise.

As for DD gameplay, certain things that once made the DD too overpowered have changed and the DD driver simply has to get used to playing the game under a new meta.

[CLUCH_CARGO]

I am the world's worst DD driver stalled at tier 7 but even there I do make silver. The lower tiers pay, the higher tiers do to if you are good in them. I will not push myself into the upper tiers till I start gittin gud.

[Ronin_ICOP]

Sir, I acknowledge that DD play has become more challenging with a proliferation of ships with Hydro-acoustic search. I also acknowledge that the Belfast is tough to deal with as a DD captain. But radar has been in the U.S. and Russian lines for a while now. Nothing really new about that. Could this be a result of your having more high-tier ships, and playing up-tiered quite often as a result of matchmaking, and seeing more radar than you did, say, a year ago?

With respect, your DD damage numbers look very low to me. That being the case, please allow me to make two suggestions.

The bulk of your DD games appear to be in IJN and US ships. And at the higher tiers both have torpedo range well beyond their detection ranges. Make use of that by waiting until any ship with radar (you can identify them in the intro screen, where every ship on both sides can be seen) has been spotted. Then do your best to avoid moving into their radar range, using your speed and torpedoes to harass and damage other ships that cannot spot you even in smoke from range 8-10.

And second, consider branching out into higher-tier cruisers (to access and become familiar with radar) and the German CA/DD lines in order to become familiar with the use of Hydro-acoustic search. Knowing how it works and having used these detection tools will almost certainly help you to counter them when playing your more familiar IJN and US destroyers.

Respects,

Am

[Kapitan_Wuff]

[CaptainTeddybear]

1 hour ago, IBM said:

I posted about this before a week ago still haven't gone past 2m silver radar has ruined this game.

before radar in domination I was 95% of the time on the team with less dd's.

now im always on the team with more dd's wierd huh but always on the team with less radar wierd huh.

and most of the matches im detected most of the time im alive in the match.

it just not fun. its not like dd's completly dominated the game but now they friggijn suck to play

 

Play more T7.

[Komrade_Rylo]

Maybe you aren't playing the ships properly?

As long as you play well, even without premium you'll break even, and with premium you'll always turn a profit.

[IfYouSeeKhaos]

2 hours ago, IBM said:

radar has ruined this game

 

1 hour ago, Amracil said:

Then do your best to avoid moving into their radar range

 

Actually it's best to try to stay just at the edge of their radar range (.5-1km) so you will know when they actually use it & then after they do you can quickly dodge away...wait the 20/40(Ruskie/US) seconds then maneuver in to spot them easier for your team to annihilate while sending some friendly fishes their way...it's all about timing. It's even good to get just to the edge of their radar range & pop your smoke-not to sit in but to induce them wasting their radar & to get enemy DDs to waste torping into it at same time.

Most importantly...getting a cap immediately at start is good if safe...don't get "target fixated" on capping when enemy has lots of radar ships in play(trust me...I understand...it took me a long time to change that habit...much to the detriment of my stats)...besides...defense points are good XP builders...let them go in 1st & play defensively-such as going wide to the outside to flank spot their ships hiding behind their DDs smoke. & remember...the cruisers detection range is worse than their radar range...& your torp range in higher tiers.

Sorry...grammar, punctuation & context all out of order but hopefully the idea got across properly.

[IBM]

On 12/18/2017 at 1:13 AM, Fog_Battleship_NCarolina said:

As long as you play well, even without premium you'll break even,

Arolina say you can break even LOL please hun I just got done playing some this morning won every match was top of the list a few of the matches.

and then i looked at my silver to see how much i made I was down to 752,000 when i started and lost 200,000 from all those wins so i say with all due respect you dont know what your talking about.

[VTAdmiral]

Don't bother. Having any problem with radar just gets you labeled "DD Mafia" and wanting any balance adjustments to radar is interpreted by this forum as being the same as wanting 3 entire lines of cruisers completely deleted from the game.

[IBM]

let me give you an example of what i mean how radar has ruined the game. 

a team with 4 dd's and a team with 3 in a domination that is tougher on the team with less.

but now like the last mission I just got done playing  in a domination one team got 4 dd's ours got 3.

that same team got 4 radar ships and our team got 1, i'm sure someone will say adapt and over come or something stupid like that.

but the match lasted a total of 4 minutes i got 2 kills but we couldnt get near the caps and when we did we were radar'ed and sunk.

this will become the typical with everyone in the match saying how much MM sucks and what will be done by the developers about it ?  nothing like it has been done about all the other unbalanced match making.

and what will be said in the forum by the fan boys the same stupid crap they always say, so nothing will be done and i will never get in the gearing unless i sell off most of my ships.

and play a tier 4 for the next friggin year

[brandy00]

are you running prem time? camo?

 

 

i have no problem making money in a DD at high tiers

[Brhinosaurus]

14 minutes ago, IBM said:

Arolina say you can break even LOL please hun I just got done playing some this morning won every match was top of the list a few of the matches.

and then i looked at my silver to see how much i made I was down to 752,000 when i started and lost 200,000 from all those wins so i say with all due respect you dont know what your talking about.

 

I play tier 9 and 10 destroyers, which should be the worst money losers.  I mount premium consumables, which increases the cost.  I do have a premium account, and I make use of economic flags as I get them.  I make money in those ships.  So don't insult someone else who says it's possible just because it's not working for you.

[Helbent]

18 minutes ago, IBM said:

Arolina say you can break even LOL please hun I just got done playing some this morning won every match was top of the list a few of the matches.

and then i looked at my silver to see how much i made I was down to 752,000 when i started and lost 200,000 from all those wins so i say with all due respect you dont know what your talking about.

Are you using a premium account? I run premium consumables and camo on my Fletcher, and with a premium account I only lose money if I have a bad game. Last night had a game I earned close to 700k on a loss. Admittedly that was a great game but you shouldn’t be consistently losing money in a fletcher, especially if you are winning.

[Warlord_Deadeye_Pete]

well, this will make life even more difficult but stop using a full load of premium consumables.  that 67,500 silver per match lost win or loose on top of ship service costs and ammo costs can really tear you up.  I may be a better player then you  (I'm not looking up yer stats.) and thats why I seem to do ok... I ran myself down to about 100,000 silver last week, and am back up to 4 mil as of this AM.... and NO PREMIUM TIME!  totally F2P at the moment and I play almost exclusivly tier 8 ships.   

 

You could also be having a really [edited] run of luck.. it does happen.. bright side is if it crap in game, then look at the real world around you.. crap luck here is worth good luck there every time!

[IBM]

9 minutes ago, Helbent said:

but you shouldn’t be consistently losing money in a fletcher, especially if you are winning.

turn's out even though your now detected on caps 90% of the time by radar and BB's hitting so  much easier that now dd's have to stop using the good gear or they just bleed silver.

did dd's do something bad for so many things to be going against them now?

[brandy00]

Just looked at your stats

that maybe the reason your not able to pull a positive credit earnings

[IBM]

i think so.

things just go from bad to worse for the dd line

 

[iDuckman]

2 minutes ago, IBM said:

BB's hitting so  much easier

What are you talking about?

 

[IBM]

16 minutes ago, Helbent said:

Are you using a premium account? I run premium consumables and camo on my Fletcher, and with a premium account I only lose money if I have a bad game.

no i can not put money into the game so i will have to be cannon fodder for the rich people 

[IBM]

13 minutes ago, TL_Warlord_Roff said:

then look at the real world around you.. crap luck here is worth good luck there every time!

I should be hitting the lottery soon then... thx

[Helbent]

3 minutes ago, IBM said:

turn's out even though your now detected on caps 90% of the time by radar and BB's hitting so  much easier that now dd's have to stop using the good gear or they just bleed silver.

did dd's do something bad for so many things to be going against them now?

Not sure what you’re trying to say here... I said I run premium consumables and camo, but still make money. Avoid radar cruisers until they burn their radar, then go in for the cap. Don’t get caught in a knife fight for a cap unless you’re sure you won’t have to make a 5 km dash out of your smoke for safety. Yes radar changed the gameplay for DDs, but they aren’t broken. Radar at high tiers just forces you to play more passive and patient than lower tiers

[Brhinosaurus]

I notice your win rate by tier is a nearly linear downward decline.  You do best at the lowest tiers and then get worse up as you go.  That suggests you are having trouble adjusting to high tier mechanics - more radar and hydro, longer range and more powerful secondaries on battleships, more accurate and faster fire from cruisers, etc.  You have to learn to be more cautious as you go.  It's not impossible to have success in a destroyer at the top tiers, but you do have to recognize how things are changing.

[Helbent]

4 minutes ago, IBM said:

no i can not put money into the game so i will have to be cannon fodder for the rich people 

What consumables or camo do you run? Even with a non-prem account you shouldn’t be consistently losing money (although your margins will be much thinner so you may have to drop down in tier more often to make up the difference if you have a string of bad luck).