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I was away from the game for a bit, and as luck would have it missed out it seems on a premium ship I think I really would have enjoyed.

After some reading, I'm left with the impression this ship may be a rarity in terms of availability for purchase, if at all.

Any thoughts folks? I'm hoping this ships fate is not following the same path as the Imperator Nikolai I

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Probably not yet. But the ship is incredibly strong and a hella fun to play. It farms damage like a tier 7-8 BB and is really intuitive in her use. She can't tank that much, but she is sufficiently protected so she can't be oneshotted

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2 minutes ago, hanesco said:

Probably not yet. But the ship is incredibly strong and a hella fun to play. It farms damage like a tier 7-8 BB and is really intuitive in her use. She can't tank that much, but she is sufficiently protected so she can't be oneshotted

This should be a seal clubbers favorite.  I enjoy playing it and you can get uptiered, and still do damage.  But you need to play more like a cruiser, as she does get citadeled easier.  Probably the best speed at T5 and fast than USN BBs through T7.

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5 minutes ago, gcangel82 said:

This should be a seal clubbers favorite.  I enjoy playing it and you can get uptiered, and still do damage.  But you need to play more like a cruiser, as she does get citadeled easier.  Probably the best speed at T5 and fast than USN BBs through T7.

Those qualities make her a very easy way to sealclub at tier 4 if MM loves you. Even against tier 7 the ship can hpld her own thanks to her speed.

I use her as a BB in tier 4-5 matches. At tier 6-7, she is so agile and her citadel is so high you just have to play her as a cruiser. She has those strips of armor on her upper hull that bounce everything, and has an internal structure preventing any ship to get her citadel from the front. 

I have her and OktRev, and both are incredible as sealclubbers. Cesare is so flexible she can even try and hunt DDs if there is no BB close to get your citadel blown out.

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Excellent ship.  Its best quality is its fast gun traverse.  Scored both my first Solo Warrior and my first Hackusation with it.

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48 minutes ago, BugsBunni said:

I was away from the game for a bit, and as luck would have it missed out it seems on a premium ship I think I really would have enjoyed.

After some reading, I'm left with the impression this ship may be a rarity in terms of availability for purchase, if at all.

Any thoughts folks? I'm hoping this ships fate is not following the same path as the Imperator Nikolai I

As @LittleWhiteMouse has stated ships usually go on sale in cycles, usually a ship appears again after 3-6 months. With the Cesare coming out in September-October, she just hasn't been cycled yet. The Nikolai is a far different story, she was removed because she like the Konig Albert were very overpowered and just rofl-stomped almost any ship that stood in their way Top or Bottom tier.

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I've read some statements somewhere (don't recall where) that said the GC was 'over performing'.  So I hope they don't classify it as another seal clubber and remove it.  Love mine.  I've had several 4 kill matches with her using only a 3 point captain.  I really do need to work on that captain some more.  6 points now.  But I'm sure with CE it would be a hoot to play. A 19 point captain in that thing at T5 would be a seal clubber extreme.   

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21 minutes ago, Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi said:

As @LittleWhiteMouse has stated ships usually go on sale in cycles, usually a ship appears again after 3-6 months. With the Cesare coming out in September-October, she just hasn't been cycled yet. The Nikolai is a far different story, she was removed because she like the Konig Albert were very overpowered and just rofl-stomped almost any ship that stood in their way Top or Bottom tier.

Thank you my fellow Canadian!! Fingers crossed!! Hope she makes a return visit to the premium shop soon!!

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1 minute ago, BugsBunni said:

Thank you my fellow Canadian!! Fingers crossed!! Hope she makes a return visit to the premium shop soon!!

As do I since I missed it in the shop originally. Wanted a trainer for the eventual release of the Italian line of BB's, which Im really looking forward to!

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Bow catches pens... 19mm outer skin and 85mm inner. Sure you wont get citadeled... But your not getting over penned either. Cruisers can over match your bow. Some DD's can as well.

Ship is nice because of it's speed. Typical T5's are snails. Other then that it's pretty meh.

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26 minutes ago, ZARDOZ_II said:

I've read some statements somewhere (don't recall where) that said the GC was 'over performing'.  So I hope they don't classify it as another seal clubber and remove it.  Love mine.  I've had several 4 kill matches with her using only a 3 point captain.  I really do need to work on that captain some more.  6 points now.  But I'm sure with CE it would be a hoot to play. A 19 point captain in that thing at T5 would be a seal clubber extreme.   

If you already have it, then it shouldn't matter if its removed or not... ;)

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16 minutes ago, Ducky_shot said:

If you already have it, then it shouldn't matter if its removed or not... ;)

I know. But others who want it, I hope they're able to get it.  It is a fun ship to play.  Not the greatest ship, but it's one I enjoy playing and I hope the OP (and others) do get the chance to do so. 

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1 hour ago, Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi said:

As @LittleWhiteMouse has stated ships usually go on sale in cycles, usually a ship appears again after 3-6 months. With the Cesare coming out in September-October, she just hasn't been cycled yet. The Nikolai is a far different story, she was removed because she like the Konig Albert were very overpowered and just rofl-stomped almost any ship that stood in their way Top or Bottom tier.

With the stats that Giulio Cesare is putting up it is only a matter of time until it is permanently removed from sale.

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It's hilarious fun. She lands shells well, she is quick, maneuverable, and has quick turning turrets for the tier.

 

I love mine, and she's a real keeper.

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16 minutes ago, Helstrem said:

With the stats that Giulio Cesare is putting up it is only a matter of time until it is permanently removed from sale.

Stats don't say if a Ship is OP and will be removed. There are other factors to consider, she is a lower tier ship an goes against people with little experience and stomps on noobs like the Kongo does. You also need to remember the sigma nerf (the same one Roma just had) just before release made may people refuse to buy it if they felt they were not good enough so a lot more skilled people got her.

Also she has only been out for a few months so her stats are not constant to the whole ship itself. Her stats are artificially higher due to how new she is (like the Pan-Asian DDs and the Conqueror were). We need to wait much longer before Wargaming could even consider removal. All the ships removed from sale were in-game for at least a year before they were removed, be it the Belfast, Kutuzov, Nikolai, Kitakami, or Konig Albert.

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8 minutes ago, Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi said:

Stats don't say if a Ship is OP and will be removed. There are other factors to consider, she is a lower tier ship an goes against people with little experience and stomps on noobs like the Kongo does. You also need to remember the sigma nerf (the same one Roma just had) just before release made may people refuse to buy it if they felt they were not good enough so a lot more skilled people got her.

Also she has only been out for a few months so her stats are not constant to the whole ship itself. Her stats are artificially higher due to how new she is (like the Pan-Asian DDs and the Conqueror were). We need to wait much longer before Wargaming could even consider removal. All the ships removed from sale were in-game for at least a year before they were removed, be it the Belfast, Kutuzov, Nikolai, Kitakami, or Konig Albert.

I agree with have to wait for the stats to settle.

 

I disagree that not many bought her.  The number of games she is putting up is very high.  I also don't see being low tier as an impediment to being ruled OP; see Imperator Nikolai and Konig Albert.  Her stats are also significantly better than Konig Albert's were at this point.

I do think she is heading for store removal in the long run.

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She is probably one of the best if not the best tier 5 ship in the game. She's one of those ships that took the best qualities of a BB and a cruiser and melded then seamlessly into 1 ship.

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Caesar is outright broken.  It will get the same restriction to access that Gremyaschy, Konig Alberg, Imp.Nikolai I have.  How broken is Caesar?

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Feel free to look up the other servers.  The story is the same.  But for the sake of comedy and contrast, here are Tier VIII BB stats.

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For all the whining people have had leveled at Conqueror, that British BB does not dominate her tier.  Caesar does.  No BB, tier for tier, dominates her competition the way Caesar does, not even Imp.Nikolai reigns supreme as this.  The funny part is she is doing this despite some of the worst armor for a BB possible.  But then again, it helps to have stealth better than a bunch of the Cruisers she faces.  You can sail up to a Tier VII IJN CA Myoko undetected while using Caesar, and by the time the Italian BB is detected by the Cruiser, it's too short ranged and too late for the CA.  It also helps Caesar has near-Kongo levels of speed to get away when the scrubs of your team are collapsing, so Caesar can draw the fight out longer.  All while those s--t 21kt BBs are getting run over.

 

The stats Caesar is pulling in is very convincing to me, simply due to the sheer amount of action she sees.  This isn't one of those ships that sees at most 2k battles / 2 weeks with her stats propped up by a small core of elite players.  Lots of guys have Caesar and she is on average, performing extremely well despite that s--t armor.

 

If Caesar comes to the store again as normal, it's going to be a last big cash grab.

 

Caesar came, saw, and out-conquered Conqueror.

 

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32 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Caesar is outright broken.  It will get the same restriction to access that Gremyaschy, Konig Alberg, Imp.Nikolai I have.  How broken is Caesar?

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Feel free to look up the other servers.  The story is the same.  But for the sake of comedy and contrast, here are Tier VIII BB stats.

XjPzOT2.jpg

 

For all the whining people have had leveled at Conqueror, that British BB does not dominate her tier.  Caesar does.  No BB, tier for tier, dominates her competition the way Caesar does, not even Imp.Nikolai reigns supreme as this.  The funny part is she is doing this despite some of the worst armor for a BB possible.  But then again, it helps to have stealth better than a bunch of the Cruisers she faces.  You can sail up to a Tier VII IJN CA Myoko undetected while using Caesar, and by the time the Italian BB is detected by the Cruiser, it's too short ranged and too late for the CA.  It also helps Caesar has near-Kongo levels of speed to get away when the scrubs of your team are collapsing, so Caesar can draw the fight out longer.  All while those s--t 21kt BBs are getting run over.

 

The stats Caesar is pulling in is very convincing to me, simply due to the sheer amount of action she sees.  This isn't one of those ships that sees at most 2k battles / 2 weeks with her stats propped up by a small core of elite players.  Lots of guys have Caesar and she is on average, performing extremely well despite that s--t armor.

 

If Caesar comes to the store again as normal, it's going to be a last big cash grab.

 

Caesar came, saw, and out-conquered Conqueror.

 

Actually Cesar has decent armor. She's a tier 5 Amagi. She requires precise angling. But you get that angle right you can shrug off 16 inch shells. Granted go brodside and it's a BAD day. But properly angled she can shrug off a lot of hits.

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Cesare has a very high skill ceiling thanks to stealth, speed and turret arrangement and is being played by experienced premium owners with thousands of games at T5.

Alabama may not do well, but Alabama is seeing T10 and people with similar experience to the owners.

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