HMAS Vampire is under powered

[DevilD0g]

I thank WG for making HMAS Vampire available

But it is underpowered.  The guns on it are basically tier 2  or less than tier 2 damage or the HE and AP damage is set to less than any tier 2 DD and not  for a tier 3 DD. 

I notice that the HE does little or no damage at all in constant firing unless your very good aim and the Damage Stats reflect that.

Torpedoes. You have installed a single launcher of 3 that can fire as a salvo or single fire.  Nice touch.  But it doesnt make up for the second salvo of 3 torps that are MISSING!!!  it should be having in the very mimimal and this is a premium ship, come on!!

But in the real HMAS Vampire it had 2 triple mounts, later increased to 2 quad mounts.   Why cant another triple mount be added.    There is room for it.

In comparison:-

The tier II Destroyers Sampson has  4 x 2 mounts, Umikaze has 2 x 2 mounts, Storozhevoi has 3 x triple mounts, Longjiang has 2 x 2 mounts V-25  Has 2 single forward torps and 2 port and starboard side angled torps

So basically its an underpowered Tier 2 DD put into Tier 3

[awiggin]

Free ship........

And it certainly seemed fine to me when I ran it...

[kerensky914]

Biased poll is biased.  No choice available for "You're cracked in the head, she's fine."  Feel free to use your own words, these are merely an example. ;)

[Mizzerys_Fate]

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[DevilD0g]

it runs fine but is lacking a second torp salvo and more hitting power

 

[Ace_04]

2 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

it runs fine but is lacking a second torp salvo and more hitting power

Why bother having a poll when you've already established your own conclusions?

[Lonewolfpj]

its fun and free so I am ok with it. 

[Sovereigndawg]

Question, When is a Poll not a poll? Answer, when it's this poll. The ship has a specific role and most ships with a specific role are well, Specific to the task they were designed for.

[SnowDriftTurtle]

I don't think that every new ship needs to power creep.  From what I've seen and heard (almost got the ship through the free missions)...it performs well.

But, if you wanted to bring out: "let's make it happen because it happened in real life!" Most BBs would have some sort of torps, most cruisers and BBs would have radar, and the Cambletown should explode all ships in its grid when destroyed or rammed.

But hey, it's a free ship you can earn.

[The_first_harbinger]

Currently, Vampire is the most successful tier 3 destroyer ever. In terms of raw HE dpm Vampire is very dominant among tier 3 destroyers. True, 4-inch guns have poor HE penetration, but so does every other tier 3 destroyer with similar gun caliber, which is still enough to penetrate enemy destroyer from all angles - its intended purpose. The reload is excellent, the turret angles are good, including a 360 degree X turret which makes Vampire an excellent ship for aggressive attacks. The shell arc is a little high, but those who have experienced the American destroyers from tier 5-10 and their signature 127mm catapults can familiarize themselves with the Vampire very quickly.

The single torpedo mount was taken from her career as a convoy destroyer escort

During which she only has a single triple 533mm torpedo launcher, which is accurately portrayed in game

Despite having only 3, this is mitigated by her flexible and powerful single release mechanism which is first found on the British light cruisers. Her torpedo alpha damage is amazing at 10k, easily one shooting all destroyers at her tier on most occasions, and eliminating enemy cruisers at 2 or 3 hits. It is true that torpedo armament isn't her strong suit, but it is still rather interesting and decent, and it is made up by her excellent gun suite.

She is an excellent front line aggressor at tier 3, made to eliminated enemy destroyers with artillery, move on to harass enemy cruisers and battleships. Her torpedo armaments, with its high alpha damage from each torpedo and her unpredictable single launch, can also pack a nasty surprise.

Good luck captain, and keep on trying!

 

[RivertheRoyal]

For a tier 2 DD misrepresented at T3, Vampire seems to be doing very well for herself. 

[Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi]

1 hour ago, DevilD0g said:

But in the real HMAS Vampire it had 2 triple mounts, later increased to 2 quad mounts.   Why cant another triple mount be added.    There is room for it.

Yah except the version in-game (as @Doomlock stated before) is how she sank in 1942. During the War after being transferred to the RAN one of her Torp tubes was removed as seen here.

and here

or how about here?

and finally here alongside the other ships of Force Z.

Note that under Vampire it says "The aft Torp tube was remove and replaced with AA guns and Y turret was removed for extra Depth Charge storage.

Go complain about an actual problem.

 

[BrushWolf]

The Vampire we are getting is a cross between how it was at launch and the refit version. The at launch version had two triple torpedo mounts which were upgraded to two quad mounts in its first refit. Then in the next refit the aft mount was removed to allow the AA to be increased.

Like the low tier US and RU DD's she is a gunboat, a fun one at that, first with the torpedoes being there more as a deterrent to keep enemy ships at arms length.

[SilverPhatShips]

Well it's definitely not o p yet I think it fits right in t3 and is a good ship

[pewpewpew42]

If you play it the way you are supposed to it's fine. Adapt and overcome.

[Doomlock]

31 minutes ago, Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi said:

Yah except the version in-game (as @Doomlock stated before) is how she sank in 1942. During the War after being transferred to the RAN one of her Torp tubes was removed as seen here.

 

or how about here?

 

This image is of a Tribal-class DD. Dual gun mounts, a dual 4" DP gun, and one quint torpedo tube.

[Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi]

Just now, Doomlock said:

This image is of a Tribal-class DD. Dual gun mounts, a dual 4" DP gun, and one quint torpedo tube.

Point still stands though. The in-game Vampire is her as-sunk version yes?

[Swine_007]

I didn't get Perth when  she was available so I had no other captains to put in Vampire other than the one she arrived with.  I thought she seemed like she could be fun.  She feels to me to be the strongest of the T3 DDs.  I know that doesn't say much but even with a semi potato like myself driving her she can do very well.  

 

[Doomlock]

6 minutes ago, Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi said:

Point still stands though. The in-game Vampire is her as-sunk version yes?

Yes. One triple torpedo mount. Various sources cite her having two duals at launch, two triples at launch, having the triples become quads, then back to one triple and some AA, then the removal of said AA for extra supplies....it's a mess.

[Ensign_Cthulhu]

My first trip out with her I came up with a neat little trick - charge another destroyer headlong, guns blazing, then pass to one side and leave a little torpedo gift for them to pick up (one should do the job at that tier). I was lucky to get away with it against a low-tier German destroyer being driven by a bot (probably it had already fired all the torps it had), but against Pan-Asians it ought to work really, really well.

She is by her original class design a destroyer leader and therefore a destroyer killer, and needs to be driven in the manner of a light cruiser; guns as main armament, single torps at moments of opportunity. I look forward to testing out my theory in the coming weeks. In the meantime she is still available as a prize for FTP players for another six days, so once the number of Vampires rises enough to make a real splash, we shall see how she really stacks up.

[DevilD0g]

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[BrushWolf]

1 hour ago, DevilD0g said:

Admin close post

No reason to, it isn't a flame war and it will die of its own soon enough.

[Umikami]

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 8:59 AM, DevilD0g said:

But it is underpowered.

opinion.

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 8:59 AM, DevilD0g said:

So basically its an underpowered Tier 2 DD put into Tier 3

second opinion.

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 9:13 AM, Ace_04 said:

Why bother having a poll when you've already established your own conclusions?

having your opinions questioned.

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 9:23 AM, The_first_harbinger said:

Currently, Vampire is the most successful tier 3 destroyer ever.

fact.

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 9:31 AM, RivertheRoyal said:

For a tier 2 DD misrepresented at T3, Vampire seems to be doing very well for herself. 

opinion backed up by fact.

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 9:35 AM, Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi said:

Go complain about an actual problem.

advice.

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 10:03 PM, BrushWolf said:

No reason to, it isn't a flame war and it will die of its own soon enough.

prediction.

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[Ensign_Cthulhu]

Best thing about Vampire, I found out the other day, is that she has a larger health pool than many other low tier destroyers. At full health she can slice straight through some of them and survive the experience; conversely, she cannot be rammed at full health by smaller, nimbler ships with a guarantee of a kill. Anyone with a fetish for ramming should bear this in mind.

(She will however take flooding damage herself, so make sure you have a repair party and an escape route ready before you try it; you will be at very low health when you are done.)